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In N. America, there is movement (from government) to hold hosts (YouTube, Facebook, etc) responsible for their customers posts on their sites.  This would require them to police these sites more severely and take action against posters who are considered inappropriate.  That's really no different to what is going on here.

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Communication is key and the way a point of view is delivered is everything. This still holds true considering not everyone is a native english speaker here.

Apologies to single you out @Borch but your latest post is a perfect example

1 hour ago, Borch said:

I have clearly asked how different are liaisons going to be than what we already had before?

This is a loaded question implying that liaisons need to be different going forward. You offer no reasoning as to why it needs to different. Only that it needs to be different and you want to know in what way it will differ.

 

1 hour ago, Borch said:

There are examples how something like proposed by you liaisons didnt work in the past

This is critical info yet your post ommits these examples. People reading your post would need these examples to gauge the validity of your assertion. I.e the liaison process needs to be different than it was before. These examples would be key to back up your point but they are left out

 

1 hour ago, Borch said:

What are you going to change that it is going to work now? Are you going to change your own approach this time?

Again this is very loaded. It assumes that changes are needed

Now if you'd have delivered it differently I'm 100% sure you'd have interest

You should instead consider structuring your feedback as follows:

Hey devs I have concerns about your proposed liaison process. I have the following examples where this didn't work all too well:

Lists examples x,y,z

What I propose as a solution is x,y,z

Thoughts?

See the difference?

 

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4 hours ago, qw569 said:

Sadly. Conclusions are not correct.
Producers who ignore the power of social networks will never succeed.

if you want to be trending topic then yes. i don't think na wants to (or even should) play in that league. my guess is there is enough people in the world more interested in one of the best age of sail games ever than in the narcissistic ramblings of a youtube celebrity, to make an honest living from with this game, social herds and ratings be damned. 

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I have no problem with "villains", per se...  I agree with you about LV, for instance.

And I agree that they provide a important source of interest in things related to the game.

At the end of the day, NONE of us have any inherent RIGHT to be listened to on these forums, nevermind have all of our suggestions catered to.  So when someone gets mad they "they feel they are not being listened to", I always find it slightly amusing.  I mean, who really has that much of a sense of self-importance?!

Again, what I feel crossed the line has been his ACTIVELY attempting to harm the game, yet still playing it.

Honestly, at this point he must just be bored and trying to produce drama.  Because if he REALLY disliked the game so much, you'd figure he'd do what adults do and just find another game or do something else for leisure.

Not whine that his toys got changed or taken away.

I've made my point multiple times now.  

I'm done with this topic.

 

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5 hours ago, admin said:

It will get worse. Polarization will continue and we will see the total removal of free speech from the internet in the next 10-15 years. It will spread from the east (china, singapore) and when western governments realize that they cant control the masses if masses can speak on social media to millions of other people they will start removing all dissent and opposition from social media. Its already starting.

No Offense, but we shoudnt go into Politics since we have more then enough controversy already.  No Reason to start even more due Political views on the World.

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5 hours ago, admin said:

The irony :).

For many censorship is when they are censored. When they ban themselves it is free speech (because its their platform).
They only complain about censorship when it is about them, but then censor you the second you post something they don't like, or does not fit their agenda. 


I am also sure everyone who complained about unfair removals of messages here  WONT complain about unfair removal of hachi content on that channel. 

Which channel and what was the comment?.  Hachi censored himself on the reddit thread when he decided no one liked his comments.  

Also a key point your missing here is the youtuber's content is free.  Yours is not.  Do continue to compare apples and oranges tho.

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51 minutes ago, Meraun said:

No Offense, but we shoudnt go into Politics since we have more then enough controversy already.  No Reason to start even more due Political views on the World.

Free speech is a basic right not political. 

 

23 minutes ago, Socialism said:

Which channel and what was the comment?.  Hachi censored himself on the reddit thread when he decided no one liked his comments.  

Also a key point your missing here is the youtuber's content is free.  Yours is not.  Do continue to compare apples and oranges tho.

On sids video. Please explain facts for the rest of your statement. I have a reddit profile. You probably know who he is but when did I delete 1 post?  Ask sid about a post he deleted from Bill Kerman. 

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8 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

Free speech is a basic right not political. 

 

On sids video. Please explain facts for the rest of your statement. I have a reddit profile. You probably know who he is but when did I delete 1 post?  Ask sid about a post he deleted from Bill Kerman. 

Free speech is public right not a private one. When on your own private land you can be as non pc as you want. It isnt about free speech though, It is about costumer relations , this is where devs got problem. No one can change their behaviour but them. The ones who will be losing finansicly on it is them though. And i doubt if fighting negative reviews will help you, internet is waaaay to big to censorship it.

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Dear Admin, you are creating a grate game.

Now please stop do philosophical discussion about free speech and just unbann people, who criticized you with reasonable arguments, like banished did.

Just tell him: No, we dont brake the steam rules, because of this, this and this. Bring arguments and facts, like you always did!

With love and respect

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8 minutes ago, Koveras said:

There's a simple misconception in Sids vid, that ships has to be bought again and again, which I actually think is deliberately misleading since he gets the redeemable part correct when it comes to the paints.

Nobody can take Sids vids for anything but a deluded mans rantings.. He's miscredited as far as I know all over the internet.. It has however nothing to do with the current topic.

It doesn't matter if he is right or wrong. A game critic that writes an article or makes a video without reviewing the product himself is not to be taken serious. Clean price gaming is also a channel that is guilty of that. 

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Nerves lie open this is surely true for both sides, devs and players. So my advice is to publish this game as soon as possible so that the painstaking period we now live in (nobody has really the nerve to play properly) will eventually come to an end.

Edit: and stop insulting anybody this won't improve anything.

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5 hours ago, Vernon Merrill said:

I’ll take someone who has actually learned a trade/occupation over someone who lives via the public teat any day of the week 

You don’t have to be of the “political class” to be a good politician.  

Sure, how hard is it to run the country after all? Let's choose someone who will learn on the fly.

I wonder why we don't think the same about our doctors, pilots and architects. After all, their jobs have less at stake. It's a strange culture we live in.

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2 minutes ago, vazco said:

Sure, how hard is it to run the country after all? Let's choose someone who will learn on the fly.

I wonder why we don't think the same about our doctors, pilots and architects. After all, their jobs have less at stake. It's a strange culture we live in.

Are you really equating technical know-how with conveying and advocating policy?

You DO know that "leaders" don't actually create budgets or, you know, build jets... right?

 

 

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5 hours ago, Powderhorn said:

Things mods know:  Big ticket items being worked on.

Things mods are asked:  When is X happening?

Dear US Liaison, oh wait we don't have any of those yet.  

 

Dear Mods and Dev Team,

There was a patch today and @admin has not posted the notes on it. Can we get a post of the info about the patch.  Players have been asking and I would like to relay back to them any info or update that was done so they can be informed.  If nothing was done than please just state such.  Also players are asking about the DLC as they show in game but not steam shop.  Can we get a confirmation of that we are only waiting on steam to release them fully.  We know some have been given to a selected few (THE ELITE OF THE ELITE), but that doens't explain why the rest of us doesn't have the Pandora yet.  

Thanks 

Just some Player with concerns and questions.

 

 

Ok this post is about communication....it's not in ya'lls ball park.

 

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3 hours ago, Socialism said:

Which channel and what was the comment?.  Hachi censored himself on the reddit thread when he decided no one liked his comments.  

Also a key point your missing here is the youtuber's content is free.  Yours is not.  Do continue to compare apples and oranges tho.

ok since you have still not provided evidence I will link the forums my profile. I just need to prove what kind of compulsive lier you are. I won't hide the fact I have a topic on reddit that would get me banned on these forums and damage the relation ship we have so far but since I want to prove to everyone what kind of character you have I will link it.  This is what got you banned before right? Making up random nonsense that suits your non existing argument. 

Maybe I did delete a post I really don't know but If I did it wasn't about naval action because my first naval action post on reddit was http://prntscr.com/n7jbpl

No worrys it is only a 10 post/2 topic profile and you can do the maths yourself if you know how the karma thing works. 

https://www.reddit.com/user/MiserableDave 

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14 hours ago, Vernon Merrill said:

Are you really equating technical know-how with conveying and advocating policy?

You DO know that "leaders" don't actually create budgets or, you know, build jets... right?

 

 

At least in my country they do create budgets and they do form governments, which do handle stuff much more complex and meaningful than jets. Which country do you live in if you have other people than politicians handle the government? 

 

Btw, policies are defining the difference between eg. Switzerland and North Korea. They're not "just" policies, even if impact is spread in time. 

It's strange that in our culture well known rock stars have all the respect and politicians have little, that politicians have advantage when they're incompetent and without experience. It was different in the past. Social media, which we discuss here, are much related to this in fact :)

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20 minutes ago, vazco said:

At least in my country they do create budgets and they do form governments, which do handle stuff much more complex and meaningful than jets. Which country do you live in if you have other people than politicians handle the government? 

 

Btw, policies are defining the difference between eg. Switzerland and North Korea. They're not "just" policies, even if impact is spread in time. 

It's strange that in our culture we'll known rock stars have all the respect and politicians have little, that politicians have advantage when they're incompetent and without experience. It was different in the past. Social media, which we discuss here, are much related to this in fact :)

In western world politicians do stay in the light but they are more of a proxies. Real work is done by civic servants who are not connected with any politican and they do not change with goverments. They are true specialists and they stay in the shadows. Not to mention lobbying system of USA that makes big capital the real deciders in politics. 

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10 hours ago, admin said:

It will get worse. Polarization will continue and we will see the total removal of free speech from the internet in the next 10-15 years. It will spread from the east (china, singapore) and when western governments realize that they cant control the masses if masses can speak on social media to millions of other people they will start removing all dissent and opposition from social media. Its already starting.

In civilized societies you don't need to "control the masses" in order to keep them from "speaking on social media to millions of other people". We don't have totalitarism. And I believe we can defend those our civilized standards, such as free speech, against those who would like to have it suppressed, as it constantly gives sexy example how it could be in their countries...

Isn't Ukraine a great example for getting free from that totalitarism of the past, as she links up with the West? Be more confident in this.

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1 hour ago, Socialism said:

Time to give these valued testers their pandora before they become a DLC

Since we know they can give them out, they should of gave every one note to test while we wait on the DLC to be approved and installed in STEAM.  This will also encourage folks to want the other ships if they where given one each of them too.

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9 hours ago, admin said:

It's a nature of the modern world. Fake news spread faster.
Thats why the creator of the video deliberately chose wrong info (so he can get more comments)
Ship Ratings system was mentioned incorrectly (ON PURPOSE) and is half of the comments
Lie about us faking all the comments on steam forums also caused comments

Comments = youtube pushes you higher for views.

Gamers love a good corporate villan; I think this youtuber simply leapt head-first into something he didn't know enough about and made a sloppy video, taking a lot of hints from Banished. His whole channel and his audience feeds off of the "hello kitty the devs" mentality.

Best thing to do is to keep your chin up and keep moving forward to release. Prove them wrong- damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead! 

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38 minutes ago, Cetric de Cornusiac said:

In civilized societies you don't need to "control the masses" in order to keep them from "speaking on social media to millions of other people". We don't have totalitarism. And I believe we can defend those our civilized standards, such as free speech, against those who would like to have it suppressed, as it constantly gives sexy example how it could be in their countries...

Isn't Ukraine a great example for getting free from that totalitarism of the past, as she links up with the West? Be more confident in this.

Leave the politics and "how the societies are organised" thing be. Because what you stated here shows that you have no idea what are you talking about. At all.

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2 hours ago, HachiRoku said:

ok since you have still not provided evidence I will link the forums my profile. I just need to prove what kind of compulsive lier you are. I won't hide the fact I have a topic on reddit that would get me banned on these forums and damage the relation ship we have so far but since I want to prove to everyone what kind of character you have I will link it.  This is what got you banned before right? Making up random nonsense that suits your non existing argument. 

Maybe I did delete a post I really don't know but If I did it wasn't about naval action because my first naval action post on reddit was http://prntscr.com/n7jbpl

No worrys it is only a 10 post/2 topic profile and you can do the maths yourself if you know how the karma thing works. 

https://www.reddit.com/user/MiserableDave 

that comment is no longer in the the thread.  take a look.

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Okay, time for game design communication tale of wonder.

I must thank a friend of mine for telling this tale about how communication works sometimes, in surprising ways and how a game designer solves problems without having to cater for anyone but the game and thus solving the problem.

Lets just say the game is called OurFirstGame, OFG.

So, developers of OFG setup a open world, that can be explored by the players, but there's storylines and whatever. So the players can do their own planning and advance accordingly while exploring the world. I'd say it is a sandbox on rails.

Devs of OFG design one of the regions of the map to have a LOT of enemies. Really challenging.

Next day players come to the Communication center and start crying and screaming and accusing devs of many things. You know, the typical "You guys are drunk!" type of thing.

Obviously the development team sits down and starts going over ALL the feedback that makes sense.

This means players were displeased with the result... but... would it be a developer issue or player issue ? Was the message not clear enough ? How to solve the 'crisis' ?

So OFG designers found the problem was not the players, was their own design. Was not clear enough.

Their solution ? They tripled the amount of enemies in that region.

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You know why ?

Think a bit about 'game design' itself and NOT how to solve a player problem ( or appeasement of cry babies ) and how ACTUALLY increasing the amount of enemies to the triple solved that one BIG problem.

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Communication worked perfectly. The developers understood the problem reported by the players and SOLVED it in the light of the design of OFG.

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So why ? WHY make it even more difficult if that was the main concern of the players !?

... 

( answer is fairly simply and the game was a big score btw, but those that can guess what it is doesn't matter, is not about that game, is about communication and design decisions )

 

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