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Just now, Mr Pellew said:

I had a shitload of fun grinding ship slots and exp when i first started. 

I agree with your point that a wipe won't automatically fix all the issiues in the game BUT for example the current economy system (when dub drop rates where pretty much nonexistend in PvE) would have benefited from a fresh start. Atm the economy is not in a good state and a new well thought out system which gets restarts to test should benefit us imo.

You can't change an economy system and  expect it to work when you keep massive ammounts of money and goods flowing arround.

Again I don't mind the wipe. I mind that whatever passes for a econ system on testbed really doesn't introduce anything new. The econ will still be broken and unimaginative.

Wipe all ships, all ressources etc, but ffs do it with a plan and not some halfassed decision made by the devs around 23 PM in Ukraine. Any1 other than me wondering why a design decision that isn't wholly thought through is made that late in the devs home country? I'm not saying that it's a spur of the moment thing, but I am insinuating that it might be!

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3 minutes ago, Mr Pellew said:

I had a shitload of fun grinding ship slots and exp when i first started. 

 

And will you have the same fun doing it over again?

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3 minutes ago, Mr Pellew said:

I had a shitload of fun grinding ship slots and exp when i first started. 

I agree with your point that a wipe won't automatically fix all the issiues in the game BUT for example the current economy system (when dub drop rates where pretty much nonexistend in PvE) would have benefited from a fresh start. Atm the economy is not in a good state and a new well thought out system which gets restarts to test should benefit us imo.

You can't change an economy system and  expect it to work when you keep massive ammounts of money and goods flowing arround.

The money will be grinded back from ai missions pretty fast. Inflation is the issue 

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1 minute ago, Neads O'Tune said:

I have to disagree with you here. I genuinely believe that the devs were sincere when they said they would not wipe and that it is only recently that they have realised that would be a bad idea.

So I don't think they did sell anyone anything KNOWING that they would change their minds and reset XP

And that why they ofc offer all that want it the posibillity to get a refund. 

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2 minutes ago, Lars Kjaer said:

Again I don't mind the wipe. I mind that whatever passes for a econ system on testbed really doesn't introduce anything new. The econ will still be broken and unimaginative.

Wipe all ships, all ressources etc, but ffs do it with a plan and not some halfassed decision made by the devs around 23 PM in Ukraine. Any1 other than me wondering why a design decision that isn't wholly thought through is made that late in the devs home country? I'm not saying that it's a spur of the moment thing, but I am insinuating that it might be!

Come on Lars... Devs have always posted content on forums and other things 24/7. They have no life. 

(it's a compliment) 

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2 minutes ago, Lars Kjaer said:

Wipe all ships, all ressources etc, but ffs do it with a plan and not some halfassed decision made by the devs around 23 PM in Ukraine. Any1 other than me wondering why a design decision that isn't wholly thought through is made that late in the devs home country? I'm not saying that it's a spur of the moment thing, but I am insinuating that it might be!

This...

The way you guys handle your project and communicate with people testing your game shows ZERO respect for their time and money investment in your product. No roadmaps = no commitment, just do as you please, whenever you please. Such a great mentality. You are disgusting.

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1 hour ago, Christendom said:

 

So assuming the clan warehouse has 50k reals, we're good for the first day.  Is it confirmed that if the warehouse is empty it will auto hit the clan leader?

we will leave 100k in the clan warehouse.

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Just now, staun said:

And that why they ofc offer all that want it the posibillity to get a refund. 

Why should they exactly? Did everyone demand a refund when the Herc and Requin stopped being the OP line ship killers that they once were when originally sold to everyone?

Have they changed The forger or Admiralty Connections or Flags DLC in anyway that makes them no longer the product that was sold? 

In what way does a Wipe at reset which was ALWAYS going to be a possibility affect people's use of DLC?

The is a massive warning on the game store page that the game is subject to change. It's simple, do not buy into a early access if you are not prepared to put up all that is involved.

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6 minutes ago, Sovereign said:

it is questionable whether they even use them at all.

Myself using alts or not is irrelevant. Alts are damaging economy and RVR, it is fact. Limiting it's use to a maximum if not prohibit is a necessity. Contrary to you I am not self centered and look for the game's benefit.

If you don't realize the problem caused by alts, we do not play the same game. There are ways to control multi account. in dota2 for instance you must provide a unique phone number and confirm password. Or maybe limit alts to only be allowed in the same nation as the main account. there are many ways...

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Just now, Neads O'Tune said:

Why should they exactly? Did everyone demand a refund when the Herc and Requin stopped being the OP line ship killers that they once were when originally sold to everyone?

Have they changed The forger or Admiralty Connections or Flags DLC in anyway that makes them no longer the product that was sold? 

In what way does a Wipe at reset which was ALWAYS going to be a possibility affect people's use of DLC?

The is a massive warning on the game store page that the game is subject to change. It's simple, do not buy into a early access if you are not prepared to put up all that is involved.

I guess you wouldn't mind it if they simply closed the game without warning either. I mean it's subject to change at any time. 

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1 minute ago, Neads O'Tune said:

Why should they exactly? Did everyone demand a refund when the Herc and Requin stopped being the OP line ship killers that they once were when originally sold to everyone?

Have they changed The forger or Admiralty Connections or Flags DLC in anyway that makes them no longer the product that was sold? 

In what way does a Wipe at reset which was ALWAYS going to be a possibility affect people's use of DLC?

The is a massive warning on the game store page that the game is subject to change. It's simple, do not buy into a early access if you are not prepared to put up all that is involved.

First off - there is a plethora of posts where admin promises that wipes won't affect xp, crafting xp and from late 2018 ship knowledge xp and books. Any1 buying the game or any items related to the game post those dates can point to the promises made and demand a refund due to the game being sold on false pretenses.

Secondly - who in their right minds will buy a game, being EA or not, from a developer who can't even make simple promises and stick to them? The promises was made 4 months or less ago. How unproffesional and incompetent doesn't it look compared to professional game developing companies out there?

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I feel like people in this topic has completely forgotten what they bought into... the game is unfinished and wipes WILL happen. You're basically here to test the game.. if you do not wish to test then I'd say the solution is fairly simple.. wait until the final release.

I have disagreed hundreds of times with moderators, developers and admin himself, but that has been in regards to game-changing decisions. The decision to wipe the server has zero impact on the gameplay and will force us TESTERS to go through things for a second time in order to TEST if things work properly.. Which is exactly what we're here to do.

 

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1 minute ago, RKY said:

If you don't realize the problem caused by alts, we do not play the same game.

Everyone realizes the problems caused by alts, that is not the point. The point is you can't do anything about someone buying a second account.

3 minutes ago, RKY said:

There are ways to control multi account. in dota2 for instance you must provide a unique phone number and confirm password. Or maybe limit alts to only be allowed in the same nation as the main account. there are many ways...

So you are saying there is no way I could have more than one phone number? Also dota2 is probably the most alt account infested game I've ever played and it is actually legal to connect the same number to two different accounts. That feature is to improve account security, not to prevent multiple accounts ( which would be an absolute ridiculous endeavour for a free2play title). 

How would you know what account is whose alt? Even ignoring that there are fake IP programms and everything, there could be two siblings playing on the same PC? You want to visit everyone at their home and ask them about their accounts? 

Should be obvious, that there is no way to know or police this, even if the devs tried really hard to prevent the extra $$$ coming in.

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6 minutes ago, Neads O'Tune said:

Why should they exactly? Did everyone demand a refund when the Herc and Requin stopped being the OP line ship killers that they once were when originally sold to everyone?

Have they changed The forger or Admiralty Connections or Flags DLC in anyway that makes them no longer the product that was sold? 

In what way does a Wipe at reset which was ALWAYS going to be a possibility affect people's use of DLC?

The is a massive warning on the game store page that the game is subject to change. It's simple, do not buy into a early access if you are not prepared to put up all that is involved.

They have changed the the conditions on witch ppl have bought the dlc. Plain and simple. You see, they have in plenty post. Actually in post after post after post told ppl what to expect. That they put an disclamer on the front, dosen't actually change that. If I in my contry buy a car. The dealer can actually not write that no condintions count. Even it it is in the contract. There is some basic things he actually have to uphold. Thats the law view. But from a moral stand I actually can't see how they feel, they are in the right.

 

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3 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

I feel like people in this topic has completely forgotten what they bought into... the game is unfinished and wipes WILL happen. You're basically here to test the game.. if you do not wish to test then I'd say the solution is fairly simple.. wait until the final release.

I see your point, the issue is this game has been out for 3 years and people have put hundreds/thousands of hours into it. Speaking for myself, I had way more time to play 2 and 3 years ago and was able to grind and get where I am now. If the experience and crafting is wiped, I'm likely not coming back and I'm sure there are others who are too. This isn't a game you can play for an hour, you need to commit to it and I don't have the time to regrind my level all the way back up. Plus, if you think this game will have a massive influx of players after it goes lives, I think the developers are sorely mistaken. Aside from the hype, after 3 months, the player numbers will be back to where they are now. This is a very very niche game, you need to make sure those who love this niche series stay and continue to be involved. 

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Why admin says it was info from 2015 that They wont wipe XP ? Its not even 4 months old post and i guess its deleted now. I like the game but I value my time. Something was said that its guaranteed so i took it seriously.. And after only 4 months you change your opinion ? I just want to tell you that people on forum represent maybe like 5-10% of game population, so you hear only a few ideas. Anyway this game is for "sale" on steam already like 3 years, so most people who wanted the game already have it, so i dont really think there will be hundreds or thousands of new players. You will now just piss off a big group of players who are playing now. I really hope that those, who want full wipe will be sailing on the server with maybe 200-300 players or less, because a lot of people will quit :)

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1 minute ago, huliotkd said:

@admin what about weight damage patch?

Its coming.. soon. Maybe tomorrow.

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I am disappointed by the wipe, but i also understand its necessary. It'll suck but we as EA players/testers have a leg up, we know the game newer players wont, and for most of us thats all we'll need!

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Can we get more details on the ECO changes? At the moment those of us who do not want to be forced into large amounts of PvE or long distance trade runs struggle to fund PvP (esspecially if you make a point of looking for challenging fights and lose a lot of ships in the process)

Will any of the changes in the upcoming patch help with this at all? I don't wanna be a Naval action Billionaire but I would like to not have to worry about paying for repairs etc.

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29 minutes ago, Lars Kjaer said:

What I'm thinking is they're a bit too busy with their lives and not enough with their work

WOw, taht quite a accusation for not knowing them or their lives.  Or how much they Work. or for not having anx expierence in Developement of a Video game. YOu Sir, just disqualified yourself from any further Discussion

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Can someone keep track of all the "ok thats it I dont play anymore" people and shove it in their face when they play after release because they actually play and like the game?

At every patch people make a fuss about stuff, so much that I think they actually SHOULD stop playing. People forget that it is a game they play to have fun or they have fun with.

 

I will grind my slots again with PvP and hostility missions and I will have fun doing it. :) 

Looking foward to everyone going to patrol zone now that they know they lose their ships anyway

 

When it comes to porttaxes. Mechanics are, and please correct me if im wrong @admin

Income of tax goes into CWH first

then costs are subtracted

If CWH is empty clanleader money is taken

If clanleader is broke aswell the port goes neutral.

 

That basicly means: All clans with > -150k netincome have to worry about their ports for the time until final wipe. If they are worried and wipe is announced they should think about changing timers so they dont make as much minus

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