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3 minutes ago, Artagnu Pedrugn said:

True but putting out a statement and then back peddling is absolutely ridiculous from the standpoint of a professional developer. Just admit you made a mistake and be done with it. At least then we could at least respect you for principles.

Mistakes yes.
The promise to keep XP was a mistake - as when it was made the game was clean and fresh and not even launched (end of 2015), and we were young and unprofessional then.
So when the developer makes a mistake he corrects it - so we corrected it. Stupid promise to give veterans an unfair advantage over new players retracted: Everyone starts at the same position on release (with the exception of skillbooks)

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2 minutes ago, admin said:

if you expected the worst you would not be upset. It is also in that post. 
There was no "few short months" - you are making up things.
This promise was made in 2015. And repeated because we believed it was true and good.
But based on what we know on how valve promotes and features games on steam - it wont be good any more.
Now we think that giving veterans advantage over new players on launch is a horrible idea . 

And yet vets will have a tangible advantage over others. Just read the statements, someone actually thinks you can only kill a snow in a basic cutter! Vets knows that you can kill a third rate in a BC.. Vets knows about the trading system - is that really going to change or are you just working along the same lines just with new names? If it's the latter it won't change a thing. Vets knows about the crafting system and how to max the level asap, I just levelled one of my alts from lvl 1 to lvl 50 in 2 days. How is that knowledge going to change upon release? And what about the hercs, the le requins - isn't those tangible advantages over others?

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7 hours ago, Vernon Merrill said:

 

It's bad enough how condescending your other posts are, but do I have to read crap like this while viewing a news and announcements thread? Mods? Anyone? I see a lot of fuss being made of whether someone chooses to say "lie" or "unintentionally misled," but it would be nice if moderation could be used to improve the forum experience for other users, and not just as a means of managing criticism, deserved or not.

@admin As someone else already asked, how does this affect testbed rewards? Kind of takes the wind out of the paint and Santa Cecilia sails if we only get them for a few months/weeks.

I have more to say regarding the wipes, and the way they are being announced, but you have a tendency to only reply to the parts of my post you take exception with, while ignoring the rest, and I'd really appreciate it if you could answer the question.

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7 hours ago, admin said:

There is no information on the final release wipe yet. But when this decision will be made based on what is going to make the game better on release. What is certain is that books and skill books will remain safe + pandora will be provided as free DLC for all early access testers.

Wait a seconed, they promised us we can keep the Crew  Rank at least years ago. I came back to push my Rank before release again. Damn, dont let me Restart.

 

Also ! NEW PLAYERS! HUSA!

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10 minutes ago, Lars Kjaer said:

What would a full wipe accomplish? Vets will get everything in a matter of days, there's no change in that. The game is skill based, books, xp, crafting xp, trading routes. The vets will get everything in a matter of weeks and ppl that don't spend 1000+ hours in the game won't be on a level playing field anyway.

You are right, it wont be equal at all.

But everyone will have to start leveling again which means its much more easy to integrate new and returning players.

Also everyone will start sailing on whatever ships they get (except if you are French, in that case you only leave capital if you are maxed out again) so its easier to get fights since losing some random trash ships isnt that bad.

Also economy will be different probably, so everyone will need to figure it out again.

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1 hour ago, admin said:

Pandora will be a DLC like Hercules - usable every 24h. We will post more information shortly. Valve has kindly agreed to add it to all Early access accounts (thank you Gabe) and then add to store on launch

So not only will non early access people be able to buy it, but I'll also look like a DLC using noob when sailing it? I'd rather get the yacht tbh.

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7 hours ago, admin said:

People also thought asbestos was good for your house. 
Yes we said it, but the previous proposal was thought to be great (and we defended it to the end) but we now realised that it will make things worse. 
Thus = Full wipe
People on release are buying a new game. They dont give a **** about early access. The game will receive 1000x more impressions from steam on release (because they don't even rotate EA games on main page unless it is is featured). And we cannot send those new users to have non-consensual sex with veterans. Everyone will sail a cutter on day one  (to get to pandora or dlc ships players will have to level up)

Wihle im hate to lose my ranks, i do unterstand it. So, one last, final Grind then?

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1 minute ago, Meraun said:

Wihle im hate to lose my ranks, i do unterstand it. So, one last, final Grind then?

Oh how wonderfully naive.

@admin there's still no reply to my questions - how will crafting, lvl'ing, trading, combat models be changed to justify this wipe?

How will the wipe really level the playing field for ppl?

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7 hours ago, adriancairns said:

well I have stuck with this game have over 8000 hrs as have a lot of other people . In the hope you will change direction 

tbf howlong doe you need to lvl up agaion? 300h? Its nothing compared to you Playtime. You will be up there in Juli again.

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7 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

If the first impression and cutters are so important, unlock the ranks for all the testers on release in time. After a week give us post captain ranks, after 2 weeks flag captain, after 3 weeks commodores and after month rear admirals... Same result and these that hate re-doing the grind can simply wait and come back later. 

taht might be an idea, give the EA Tester they old Ranks back, no just an once but slowly.

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26 minutes ago, admin said:

Mistakes yes.
The promise to keep XP was a mistake - as when it was made the game was clean and fresh and not even launched (end of 2015), and we were young and unprofessional then.
So when the developer makes a mistake he corrects it - so we corrected it. Stupid promise to give veterans an unfair advantage over new players retracted: Everyone starts at the same position on release (with the exception of skillbooks)

But you said yourself we'll be max rank in two weeks!  How is two weeks worth this backlash and neverending stream of negative reviews the game will receive on launch?  I'm just astonished at the lack of foresight at the impact this will have.  Again, I want to make it clear, if you'd made the "guarantee" from the beginning that all would be wiped, or even that you reserved the right to make that decision, that wouldn't have changed the way I play the game or inherently the way I feel about it now.  It's purely down to the lack of professionalism in promising prospective and actual buyers over the last few years that their progression and testing would be explicitly worth the xp and crafting xp they gained, which is far more than a sub-par, 5th rate redeemable. 🙄 

It's just shallow and shoddy treatment of those players who expected a "guarantee" to mean something, many of whom have been with you since Early Access and believed in the project from the beginning.  It's sad.

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Some people seem to have still not realized how gamimg business works. The only goal/intention is to earn as much money as possible. Therefore developers are not interested to keep veterans/EA testers happy endlessly. They squeezed already all money out of them. Game release gives the opportunity to squeeze loads of fresh players that needs to be kept happy for a while, at least until their next EA game is around the corner.

I don't care as much about wipes tbh. Although breaking promises could be arguable.

For every unhappy customer Steam reviews is your friend.

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Total wipe = best announcement beside game release spoiler!

 

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7 minutes ago, z4ys said:

Total wipe = best announcement beside game release spoiler!

 

Agreed. Nice to start fresh and have goals to strive for once more....till I am done with them again. 

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7 minutes ago, BallsOfSteel said:

Lets hope a map reset is part of it

Well odds are there will be a few ports that will drop because of lack of reals to fund their timers and/or simply lack of funds overall.

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37 minutes ago, Captain Woodpecker said:

Am I the only one who has the impression that we were told that XP will not be wiped so that we stay and grind as experimental rabbits? 

Well, the xp wipe being announced so close to release sure doesn't strongly suggest otherwise. I am glad we can not know for sure... talk about benefit of the doubt. Still, as long as we keep books and ship knowledge I will put up with it.

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7 hours ago, John Sheppard said:

@admin

 

We are disscussing this on TS and Discord now 

You should know that a lot of the old players are pissed off more than you can possibly imagine and if it comes to it they-we are even prepared to retaliate on purpose

I mean farm the new players extensively to force them to quit and give negative reviews .. just letting you know how bad this can turn out.. i don't think it would be in the best interest of the game

EDIT: just to make sure ... this is not my suggestion 

 

First off, i doubt Thread are helpful,

Secondly i think there well be enough old player happy with the Wipe  to protect the newbs 🙂

Not understand this only show how much more these guys care about their xp than having a good Game with a healthy Playerbase (Its now heathly right now)

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7 hours ago, John Sheppard said:

We are disscussing this on TS and Discord now 

You should know that a lot of the old players are pissed off more than you can possibly imagine and if it comes to it they-we are even prepared to retaliate on purpose

I mean farm the new players extensively to force them to quit and give negative reviews .. just letting you know how bad this can turn out.. i don't think it would be in the best interest of the game

Is there a way to dislike a post? 🙄

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