Q- how tall was the French Ocean-class ship?

[Norfolk nChance]

Question how tall was the French Ocean-class ship?

 

A quick question if anyone knows. In dry dock how high did the Hull stand to its quarter deck. In the water fully loaded how much would be visible out of the water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Océan-class_ship_of_the_line

The main interest is the first editions that Jacques-Noel Sane designed in 1785 rather than the later editions. Build time, between one to two years only…?

If anyone could point me in the right direction, I’d be most grateful as always.

 

Norfolk.

 

[Sir Lancelot Holland]

I would suggest trying the maritime museums at Marseilles or Toulon, most of the class were built at Toulon so i'd expect them to have some information beyond the average museums.

Some of our more knowledgeable French colleagues, or players with reference works, may, have better information, such as if plans still exist that give the information you require, they should, as all dimensions would have been specified by the shipwrights and designers, certainly the height from keel to mast heads would be there with length beam and draught, failing that height from waterline to mast head plus draught will give mean height, ships in a class varied slightly but not to a great degree.

Of course the Devs may know, given the very high standard of modelling, they may of had access to some of the existing plans or drawings and must have got the information from somewhere, 

[Thonys]

i found out that  from the temeraire class is also build in the vp and there are variants as well

the Dutch build temeraire class  (petit modele)

Small Variant (Pluton group – 24 ships launched)[edit]

 

Rivoli, fitted with the camels that allowed her to cross the shallow banks before Venice harbour.

Starting with the prototypes Pluton and Borée in 1803, a smaller version of the Téméraire class, officially named petit modèle, was designed by Jacques-Noël Sané to be produced in shipyards having a lesser depth of water than the principal French shipyards, primarily those in neighbouring states under French control and in foreign ports which had been absorbed into the French Empire such as Antwerp. The revised design measured 177 feet 7 inches on the waterline, 180 feet 1 inch on the deck, and 46 feet 11 inches moulded breadth. The depth of hull was 9 inches less than that in the "regular" Téméraire design.

• Polyphème

Builder: Amsterdam shipyard

Ordered:

Launched: July 1817

Fate: Abandoned in 1813, completed by the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.

General characteristics [2]
Class and type:	Téméraire-class ship of the line
Displacement:	2,966 tonnes 5,260 tonnes fully loaded
Length:	55.87 metres (183.3 ft) (172 pied)
Beam:	14.90 metres (48 ft 11 in)
Draught:	7.26 metres (23.8 ft) (22 pied)
Propulsion:	Up to 2,485 m2 (26,750 sq ft) of sails
Armament:	74 guns: Lower gundeck: 28 × 36-pounder long guns Upper gundeck: 30 × 18-pounder long guns Forecastle and Quarter deck: 6 × 8-pounder long guns 10 × 36-pounder carronades

 

• Couronne

Builder: Amsterdam shipyard

Ordered:

Launched: 1817

Fate: Abandoned in 1813, completed by the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.

• Piet Hein

Builder: Rotterdam shipyard

Ordered:

Launched: 1817

Fate: Abandoned in 1813, completed by the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.

 

the normal temeraire class was 

General characteristics
Class and type:	Téméraire-class ship of the line
Displacement:	1966 tonnes 3260 tonnes fully loaded
Length:	55.87 metres (183.3 ft) (172 pied)
Beam:	14.90 metres (48 ft 11 in)
Draught:	7.26 metres (23.8 ft) (22 pied)
Propulsion:	Up to 2,485 m2 (26,750 sq ft) of sails
Armament:	74 guns: Lower gundeck: 28 × 36-pounder long guns Upper gundeck: 30 × 18-pounder long guns Forecastle and Quarter deck: 16 × 8-pounder long guns 4 × 36-pounder carronades

Edited February 21, 2019 by Thonys

[LeBoiteux]

You need a plan with a scale to answer that question.

You'll be able to have a good estimation here with the small-sized plans at the bottom of the web page. The man with his tricorn and vertical stick serves as scale (1m, 2m, 3m). And the waterline is shown.

Or buy the book. 🙂

Writing a book or fiction thread ?

Edited February 21, 2019 by LeBoiteux

[Norfolk nChance]

@LeBoiteux

 

That’s brilliant thank-you. I’ve worked this out this way as a rough idea near as.

From my link above I knew the ship length was about 70m, its Beam 17m.

From your link, at the bottom the model dimensions (L x W x H) at a 1:48 scale.

 

Model length 1.6m x 48 = 76.8m, Wiki length 69m

Model Width 0.36m x 48 = 17.28m, Wiki Beam 16.24m

Model Height 0.43m x 48 = 20.64m this the total hull height.

Wiki draught 8.12m, Model Height 20.64 less 8.12m wiki draught = 12.52m this would be the visible height of the hull on the water...

 

I think I’ll look at this book and tweak the scaling better.

Writing a book or fiction thread ? @LeBoiteux said

 

I’ve completely re-written the “PuLp-Fiction” story I did in the Tavern forum section.

This little side hobby is now 30k in words and could be used as a Campaign idea for PvP or PvE if @adminwas interested. It’s still quite away from completing, a few months.

Let’s see if it works or not who knows right?

 

Norfolk

 

[LeBoiteux]

1 hour ago, Norfolk nChance said:

 

That’s brilliant thank-you. I’ve worked this out this way as a rough idea near as.

From my link above I knew the ship length was about 70m, its Beam 17m.

From your link, at the bottom the model dimensions (L x W x H) at a 1:48 scale.

Model length 1.6m x 48 = 76.8m, Wiki length 69m

Model Width 0.36m x 48 = 17.28m, Wiki Beam 16.24m

Model Height 0.43m x 48 = 20.64m this the total hull height.

Wiki draught 8.12m, Model Height 20.64 less 8.12m wiki draught = 12.52m this would be the visible height of the hull on the water...

I think I’ll look at this book and tweak the scaling better.

Here are the right dimensions in French feet from @Surcouf. 

1 French ft =  0,325 meter

1 hour ago, Norfolk nChance said:

 

I’ve completely re-written the “PuLp-Fiction” story I did in the Tavern forum section.

This little side hobby is now 30k in words and could be used as a Campaign idea for PvP or PvE if @adminwas interested. It’s still quite away from completing, a few months.

Nice !

Edited February 21, 2019 by LeBoiteux