Gregory Rainsborough Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Tagged with no intention of fighting. I consider this griefing as would many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Frias Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Full picture for better understanding https://imgur.com/a/Aqb0Bvg Edited January 25, 2019 by Pablo Frias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Rainsborough Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 Doesn't really add anything to it. "those who start a fight should do so with the intention of fighting" to paraphrase admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Frias Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Gregory Rainsborough said: Doesn't really add anything to it. "those who start a fight should do so with the intention of fighting" to paraphrase admin. Just wanted to post the full conversation in case Admin needs it. Edited January 25, 2019 by Pablo Frias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 you consider what you want, it's a very old tactic "divide and conquer" .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Rainsborough Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 "let's abuse game mechanics and call it strategy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gregory Rainsborough said: "let's abuse game mechanics and call it strategy" lol, when brits attack our first rates with BC doing green on green was fair and smart, and this is griefing , a very big lol. See you tomorrow im going bed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Rainsborough Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 Basic cutters can't tag 1st rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Frias Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Gregory Rainsborough said: Basic cutters can't tag 1st rates. They could, they used AI fleets to have the enough BR to drag 1st into battle. Then they just fired each other until they blew up. This was fixed (I think, been a bit off for months) but they managed to avoid a grinding mission and cause several damage on our ships using green on green and free ships. I think that could be considered grinding. Edited January 25, 2019 by Pablo Frias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Rainsborough Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Pablo Frias said: They didn´t tag 1st rates, they used AI fleets to have the enough BR to drag 1st into battle. Then they just fired each other until they blew up. This was fixed (I think, been a bit off for months) but they managed to avoid a grinding mission and cause several damage on our ships using green on green and free ships. I think that could be considered grinding. Then bring a tribunal of your own at stop clogging up mine and taking it off topic. Edited January 25, 2019 by Gregory Rainsborough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Frias Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Gregory Rainsborough said: Then bring a tribunal of your own at stop clogging up mine and taking it off topic. We did, and guess the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Frias Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said: The answer: Basic Cutter fireships were nerfed, basic cutters were only allowed to join PvE battles. The problem got solved within game mechanics. Right, and those who used them didn´t recieve any punishment. Why don´t devs fix this situation in order to improve the "health of the game". From your perspective, almost every single player who has taken part in a screening action has commited griefing. Where are their punishments? By the way, I don´t want to keep arguing about this. Let´s wait until admin has his final decision. Only salt can be added Edited January 25, 2019 by Pablo Frias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staun Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said: I'm on Gregory's side. I don't understand people calling it tactical actions. EVEN if someone wants to screen out someone else, AT LEAST FIGHT YOUR BATTLE. Delaying actions, kiting, screening just to run away and separate fleet, it all ruins the game. Tac is what makes you win. Like putting Night timers on all ports. Is it a war game we want ore a gentlemen sport ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 "the person who enters the battle should fight in it" nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anolytic Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I believe that admin's previous statements on this type of case has indicated that for griefing to be determined there has to be some kind of repetition or prolonged action. To tag into battle multiple times, or keep the target tagged without fighting for a significant time. Because it is possible to tag someone by mistake, or to tag with the intent to fight, but determine that the player is too good to allow the attacker any opening to approach his stern. And many other cases where the border between what is acceptable and what is griefing is blurry. So for how long did this action go on? According to the chat log it seems to only have taken about 6 minutes. What I do not understand though: 2 frigates against a 1st rate? Why not even try to go for the stern and fight the fight? If you loose half your broadside or a mast first broadside, yeah, you may have to disengage, but two frigates should at least try to press their advantage? There should be some sort of cost to being too careful. While this might very well be intended griefing, I am not sure that the tribunal can afford to set precedence by judging it as such, because there could definitely occur similar situations where griefing was not intended. If however this happens over multiple battles in a row, or for upwards of twenty minutes with no attempt at closing the distance, then it is easier to judge griefing, even if some griefing cases will slip through the net. And I do not believe in preventing this by mechanics really, as some suggest. Because to completely prohibit griefing would affect ordinary types of gameplay in significant ways. 25 minutes ago, Christendom said: "the person who enters the battle should fight in it" nuff said Stop posting this everywhere as if it was some general prescriptive statement by admin that applied here. Admin's quote is about people entering battle, taking a slot, and not fighting for their side, leaving their allies short handed. None of which applies here or most other places you posted this. Admin has made much more recent and more relevant statements on tagging and and kiting in open world battles that would have some actual relevance to reference here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Rainsborough Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 "Because it is possible to tag someone by mistake, or to tag with the intent to fight, but determine that the player is too good to allow the attacker any opening to approach his stern. And many other cases where the border between what is acceptable and what is griefing is blurry." Had they not directly admitted that that was what they intended on doing I wouldn't have bothered. Not only have they done so in the battle chat but they did it here. The battle only lasted so long because of their incompetence in tagging me continuously, they ballsed it up. These guys did it to not just me, but several people over the course of half an hour in the hopes I presume of ganking someone (a gank that failed and they ended up getting their arses handed to them and retreated.) Had they actually tried to fight me, I'd have been happy. All they did was sit at maximum distance firing and turning and running (and getting stuck in the wind but shh). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 This open question of tagging/screening/kiting really needs an official answer. Kinda tired of seeing these posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staun Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Banished Privateer said: Tactical is also using biological weapons, weapons of mass destruction and many more until we all wipe out each other in total war and lead to human race annihilation or planet destruction I guess this is why we have those: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_Weapons_Convention and a few more... They haven’t yeth broken any rule. You want to use a real life ruleset, plz then find where they go against any ruleset in NA. But no fear, we get that ruleset soon. Admin is working on a new RoE for fights in OW.looks like we will get circle of death in fights, so no more kitning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorge Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 We are testing the game, this could be another thing devs must fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traitorous mctraitoro Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Typical boring tactic of boring people. Deleting Thier clan should be sufficient punishment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, traitorous mctraitoro said: Typical boring tactic of boring people. Deleting Thier clan should be sufficient punishment. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 we need only a option that when you dont make enough damage on hull ,crew or sails after 30min you can leave battle. problem solved. tagging with balls on sails are not enough damage to hold you in battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staun Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said: I don't want to use real life ruleset, I just show the irony of everyone's use of "tactical" argument. Everything can be called "tactical". DDoS'ing the server can be called tactical move too. And yeth you did. I would like to remind us that harsh game rules and game mechanics changes are often caused by some players ruining the game for other players. Recently killed mechanic, basic cutters only for PvE, BR tagging limits, basic cutters fireship explosion nerf, pretty much all of these changes were caused by players exploiting and griefing LEGALLY, without breaking any game rules. Just because we don't have yet any game rule for kiting, screening or griefing, doesn't mean that we should embrace it and ruin the game for other people. You get it. Circle of death in Ow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 @admin cant you reset rank already, think enough examples has been made and no one takes your rules seriously about this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Wyy said: @admin cant you reset rank already, think enough examples has been made and no one takes your rules seriously about this topic then you have to do that with half of the players i was in so many battles and the guys wasnt fighting. only hold me in battle. I never did a tribunal. a few months ago was nobody talking about griefing! its was always in game. Edited January 25, 2019 by Christoph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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