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'Wapen von Hamburg' 4th Rate (With Plans)


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A shame that there aren't many ships to mention in those centuries from the german states, but at least the Wapen von Hamburg was a nice ship. I'd dream to see her in the game - one will suffice there don't have to be all four variants ;) The first three were convoi ships and the fourth a frigate. 

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_von_Hamburg_(1669)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_von_Hamburg_(1686)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_von_Hamburg_(1722)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_von_Hamburg_(1740)

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The WAPEN VON HAMBURG historical background


In the 17th century the German Empire was a rather loose federation that had only limited naval power. It could not give its trading vessels a protection by an organized escort system. Especially the Mediterranean routes were endangered by corsairs of the Barbary States of North Africa, who were masters in using their fast and light chebecs.


In the years 1662 - 1667 the City of Hamburg lost altogether 13 trading vessels to pirates, and the shipping of the city was nearly disrupted. In 1667 the citizenry decided to build two strong warships as “convoy ships”. They were the Leopoldus Primus and the WAPEN VON HAMBURG. 
The Leopoldus Primus undertook 33 long journeys, until she was broken up in 1705.


The WAPEN VON HAMBURG was built in the Deichtor shipyard in Hamburg by a Dutch shipbuilding master. The construction work started in spring of 1667 when the keel was laid down. The wood work was finished in 1668. The armaments were installed, and the ship took up service in 1669. 
The sculpture work was done under the guidance of master carver Christian Precht.


From 1669 the ship served as an escort vessel on voyages to Malaga, Cadiz, Lisbon and north till Spitsbergen. In October 1683, on a trip to Cadiz, suddenly a fire started in the forecastle and rapidly spread throughout the vessel. The fire eventually reached the gunpowder depot and caused a terrible explosion that destroyed the ship. Admiral Berent Jakobsen Karpfanger, 42 of 170 crew members, and 22 of 50 soldiers lost their lives.


The body of the admiral was buried with great ceremony in the foreigners' cemetery on the seafront of Puntales, Cadiz. King Charles II of Spain erected a monument on the tomb to honour the admiral. It stood there for 125 years, until in 1808 the French removed the cemetery in order to enlarge the port fortification.


To replace the lost convoy ship a new Wapen von Hamburg was built in 1686 and 1687, which was used until 1719.


On 12 November 1720 a third ship of this name was launched, the Wapen von Hamburg (III). 

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So i was looking for the Ship, Wappen von Hamburg today as well you did weeks ago i found a topic about it in the Russian speaking part of the forum:

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3554-%D1%84%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%82-%C2%ABwappen-fon-hamburg%C2%BB/

 

I would like to see the Ship ingame too.

Some Details of the ship can be found here, gunnery (Page 28) and dimensions (Page 17)

http://soubory.radekshipmodels.cz/knihy/WAPPENvHAMBURG.pdf

 

 

Here another German Ship from Hamburg: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopoldus_Primus

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Because there is something in the game, which I consider being "senseless",

and I ask for some "reasonable" connection to a faction by introducing new ships,

you consider my argument being invalid by pointing on something in existence

(which does not make sense).

 

Interesting.

 

 

 

 

St Pavel, Mercury - russian ships, not present in the caribbean. your argument is invalid

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I want to see the "wappen von hamburg III" implemented in this game!

It is a total NEED ship

 

the shipyard is fully loaded right now, but keep believing, probably in near future this ship will get a green light

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St Pavel, Mercury - russian ships, not present in the caribbean. your argument is invalid

 

But the "ship plans" presented are not from the Wapen shown on the pictures.

They are like 100 years earier. (+/-)

I know that the museum of hamburgs history got some - I will ask them if i can :D

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yeah sure. Go ahead. If you have the opportunity that would be absolutely awesome.

I mean.. Tze germans do have a large Naval Action community and I bet they will be very pleased if a "german" ship can make it into the game eventually..

Not to rise any hopes but hey. Noone knows what might come, right?

 

If you get to get these ship plans make sure they are at a very high resolution. The higher, the better ofc.

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As a german I´d be very interested to know what the WvH would actually bring to the table? I mean, besides being 'german'?

That thing was designed for protecting convoys and certainly no a proper war ship. And it´s ******* old.

There are dozens of other ships which would be a better investment of developers' time.

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Even if it is a nicely-built ship.

1) I don´t like the idea bringing in another ship with no connection to a faction just to suit "national" needs / feelngs

2) checking the list, you can clearly see that any "German" ships can only be linked to factions like Brandenburg / Courland

http://felipe.mbnet.fi/html/german_ships_1643-1700.html

 

No faction, no ships. My reasoning. No Russian faction = no Russian ships. If this logic is broken by the Devs, fine.

No need to break it again and again...

 

@Twig. don´t waste your time in vain. If you like getting the plans yourself do it. But don´t for the sake of the game,

if you don´t get signalled to do it, because they plan to introduce it...

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No faction, no ships. My reasoning. No Russian faction = no Russian ships. If this logic is broken by the Devs, fine.

No need to break it again and again...

Pavel and Mercury are Russian ships, do you want to remove them?

I can ask because I work near the museum - But still I can only ask, we will see what might happen

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Pavel and Mercury are Russian ships, do you want to remove them?

 

Of course.

Not because they are "Russian", but only as there is no corresponding faction.

 

For me, it is an immersion breaker.

 

Others don´t mind, they are more "ship technology orientated".

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Ships are going to be added irregardless whether there are nations in the game corresponding to them or not at the moment, who knows what the future will bring, it is possible they will add more theatres and then suddenly ships have a nation corresponding to them. Either way the reason why ships are being added of all nations is because they are interesting or popular, not because they are from nation x or y.

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