Thalion Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 A shame that there aren't many ships to mention in those centuries from the german states, but at least the Wapen von Hamburg was a nice ship. I'd dream to see her in the game - one will suffice there don't have to be all four variants The first three were convoi ships and the fourth a frigate. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_von_Hamburg_(1669) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_von_Hamburg_(1686) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_von_Hamburg_(1722) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_von_Hamburg_(1740) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdguy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Smaller frigate named the Berlin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalion Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Here are some plans of the Wapen von Hamburg, it seems to be the first one. It has a lot of similarities as the Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The WAPEN VON HAMBURG historical background In the 17th century the German Empire was a rather loose federation that had only limited naval power. It could not give its trading vessels a protection by an organized escort system. Especially the Mediterranean routes were endangered by corsairs of the Barbary States of North Africa, who were masters in using their fast and light chebecs. In the years 1662 - 1667 the City of Hamburg lost altogether 13 trading vessels to pirates, and the shipping of the city was nearly disrupted. In 1667 the citizenry decided to build two strong warships as “convoy ships”. They were the Leopoldus Primus and the WAPEN VON HAMBURG. The Leopoldus Primus undertook 33 long journeys, until she was broken up in 1705. The WAPEN VON HAMBURG was built in the Deichtor shipyard in Hamburg by a Dutch shipbuilding master. The construction work started in spring of 1667 when the keel was laid down. The wood work was finished in 1668. The armaments were installed, and the ship took up service in 1669. The sculpture work was done under the guidance of master carver Christian Precht. From 1669 the ship served as an escort vessel on voyages to Malaga, Cadiz, Lisbon and north till Spitsbergen. In October 1683, on a trip to Cadiz, suddenly a fire started in the forecastle and rapidly spread throughout the vessel. The fire eventually reached the gunpowder depot and caused a terrible explosion that destroyed the ship. Admiral Berent Jakobsen Karpfanger, 42 of 170 crew members, and 22 of 50 soldiers lost their lives. The body of the admiral was buried with great ceremony in the foreigners' cemetery on the seafront of Puntales, Cadiz. King Charles II of Spain erected a monument on the tomb to honour the admiral. It stood there for 125 years, until in 1808 the French removed the cemetery in order to enlarge the port fortification. To replace the lost convoy ship a new Wapen von Hamburg was built in 1686 and 1687, which was used until 1719. On 12 November 1720 a third ship of this name was launched, the Wapen von Hamburg (III). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalion Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 There was a forth and last Wapen von Hamburg as a sailing ship, built in 1740 which was classified as a frigate with 50 cannons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joegrag Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Smaller frigate named the Berlin. That looks nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 POTBS Locus Corvette Fregatte Berlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicTiger Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) So i was looking for the Ship, Wappen von Hamburg today as well you did weeks ago i found a topic about it in the Russian speaking part of the forum: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3554-%D1%84%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%82-%C2%ABwappen-fon-hamburg%C2%BB/ I would like to see the Ship ingame too. Some Details of the ship can be found here, gunnery (Page 28) and dimensions (Page 17) http://soubory.radekshipmodels.cz/knihy/WAPPENvHAMBURG.pdf Here another German Ship from Hamburg: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopoldus_Primus Edited February 17, 2015 by AtomicTiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) I want to see the "wappen von hamburg III" implemented in this game!It is a total NEED ship Edited April 20, 2016 by Twig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 It is a total NEED ship No, it´s not. And no plans, no ship model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Why is it notable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) No, it´s not. And no plans, no ship model. Plans and Models exist! It just looks insane Edited April 20, 2016 by Twig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Yes, but only if there is a Brandenburg faction, would be "senseless", if there is no connection to a faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 St Pavel, Mercury - russian ships, not present in the caribbean. your argument is invalid But the "ship plans" presented are not from the Wapen shown on the pictures. They are like 100 years earier. (+/-) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Because there is something in the game, which I consider being "senseless", and I ask for some "reasonable" connection to a faction by introducing new ships, you consider my argument being invalid by pointing on something in existence (which does not make sense). Interesting. St Pavel, Mercury - russian ships, not present in the caribbean. your argument is invalid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgmax Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I want to see the "wappen von hamburg III" implemented in this game! It is a total NEED ship the shipyard is fully loaded right now, but keep believing, probably in near future this ship will get a green light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 St Pavel, Mercury - russian ships, not present in the caribbean. your argument is invalid But the "ship plans" presented are not from the Wapen shown on the pictures. They are like 100 years earier. (+/-) I know that the museum of hamburgs history got some - I will ask them if i can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 yeah sure. Go ahead. If you have the opportunity that would be absolutely awesome. I mean.. Tze germans do have a large Naval Action community and I bet they will be very pleased if a "german" ship can make it into the game eventually.. Not to rise any hopes but hey. Noone knows what might come, right? If you get to get these ship plans make sure they are at a very high resolution. The higher, the better ofc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 As a german I´d be very interested to know what the WvH would actually bring to the table? I mean, besides being 'german'? That thing was designed for protecting convoys and certainly no a proper war ship. And it´s ******* old. There are dozens of other ships which would be a better investment of developers' time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 There are dozens of other ships which would be a better investment of developers' time. My thoughts as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Even if it is a nicely-built ship. 1) I don´t like the idea bringing in another ship with no connection to a faction just to suit "national" needs / feelngs 2) checking the list, you can clearly see that any "German" ships can only be linked to factions like Brandenburg / Courland http://felipe.mbnet.fi/html/german_ships_1643-1700.html No faction, no ships. My reasoning. No Russian faction = no Russian ships. If this logic is broken by the Devs, fine. No need to break it again and again... @Twig. don´t waste your time in vain. If you like getting the plans yourself do it. But don´t for the sake of the game, if you don´t get signalled to do it, because they plan to introduce it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) No faction, no ships. My reasoning. No Russian faction = no Russian ships. If this logic is broken by the Devs, fine. No need to break it again and again... Pavel and Mercury are Russian ships, do you want to remove them? I can ask because I work near the museum - But still I can only ask, we will see what might happen Edited April 21, 2016 by Twig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Pavel and Mercury are Russian ships, do you want to remove them? Of course. Not because they are "Russian", but only as there is no corresponding faction. For me, it is an immersion breaker. Others don´t mind, they are more "ship technology orientated". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Ships are going to be added irregardless whether there are nations in the game corresponding to them or not at the moment, who knows what the future will bring, it is possible they will add more theatres and then suddenly ships have a nation corresponding to them. Either way the reason why ships are being added of all nations is because they are interesting or popular, not because they are from nation x or y. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 For me, it is an immersion breaker. So tell me, what aspects in these ships' design is so obviously Russian that you find them disturbing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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