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The timers should be re-checked.

There is way to many fake timers on the map currently, and noone smart would ever believe, that they are actually the "top hours" for European Clans.

So what I suggest is the price increase if it's far from the clan's peak hours.
The game is slowly tracking the online players already (with some issues still, but it is) so let's do like this:

Every Sunday, the game calculates average of peak player time of each clan.
For all next week, the cost of a timer depends on comparison of selected timer with actual top peak time.

Example:

In Week A, on average, the most players online in clan X were at 17:00-18:00

Therefore, a timer between 16-19 will cost as normal, as this is a true peak time for the clan.

Timer on either 13-16, or 19-22 will cost x3 of current price
Timer on 4-7 would cost x10 of current price as its exactly opposite of clans peak hours.

Anything in between,  some linear values.

 

No more faking, no discrimination of US zones players either.

Perfect solution, isn't it?

 

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What about the EU timers set to 11-14?  Clearly they are to avoid fights.  What about multi time zone clans?  7up was one, I know Aloha (wink wink) has a few spread across the globe. VCO used to be 50/50 US and EU.  

Poland just attacked a US based pirate clan during the daytime today, but we can’t respond because of their timers.  Who can I complain too?  How do I know they are all EU based?  How do you determine what a clans peak hours are? Is Admin gonna code that?

Too many variables for a sliding scale of cost.  Timers should cost more and should all be the same regardless of when.  A smarter solution would be to pay for a smaller window. 3 hour window costs more than say a 5 hour.  5 hour being the default timer window.  

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18 minutes ago, Christendom said:

How do you determine what a clans peak hours are? Is Admin gonna code that?

It's already tracking the online count. Make a small adjustments and find real peak hour for each clan.

 

All the others aspect - that's the bad side of global server.
And there is already too many of them, to also add avoidance timers. 

If You really want such for a day or two - sure, but pay for that respectively.

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1. I can use alts for afk bumping online at any given time I wish

2. What do you consider peak? If on 15-18 ALOHA has 7 online and on 5-7 we have 6 online, are we gonna pay a lot punishment for timers in 5-7 zone because of 1 player difference??? Our clan is mostly global, we have Americans, 3 Chinese, Aussies.

3. If 1 guy logins into clan during the day at 11-14 and logs out, no one else in the clan logins, is the peak? Kinda bs statistic I call it

4. Remember the most important. NOT ONLY ONE CLAN DEFENDS THEIR PORT. Ports are defended by clans on the friendly list and more clans could be added before PB.

5. Some players only login for RvR. If ALOHA port gets attacked 5 AM at night, we will get peak online that day on this time. Many players will show up to PB, fight and log out. It's 100% guaranteed content, unlike sailing in OW during empty US timezone waters. 

6. Diplomacy. ALOHA has quite some few allies from other nations helping "screen" PBs at night *wink wink*. 

 

I could go on with a list why this suggestion would go wrong... I think 6 points is enough to begin with.

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Tell me where is always night and where is always day...

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42 minutes ago, Hethwill the Red Duke said:

Tell me where is always night and where is always day...

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There is always night on the dark side of the moon, it never sees the sunlight and it's always the same surface. Ojk is thinking ahead in the future, preparing for colonization of the moon.

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2 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

There is always night on the dark side of the moon, it never sees the sunlight and it's always the same surface.

The dark side of the moon sees sunlight for ~14 days straight. Moon rotates around it's own axis, but is also tidally locked to earth's rotation.

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The most reasonable solution would be to split the map in 2 zones. Logically West & East zone.

Each zone has a single mandatory timer window for PB's.

This will sadly split players activity regarding PB's  but it won't be worse than now.

At least we would get rid of these nasty timers.

RvR would become affordable again, players in both zones may return and grow global server population.

It's a temporary compromize that will bother players that are not in USA & Europe chosen single timer window.

In future NA could be extended with another server with Indian Ocean theater map split in 2 zones as well.

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Interesting idea, but what if a clan is worldwide ? Can remember a couple with EU/US/OCE members with shared responsabilities ( within the clan ) in the ports they controlled. But yeah, guess they can make 3 clans, one per zone.

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11 hours ago, Hethwill the Red Duke said:

Tell me where is always night and where is always day...

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Tell me... Did the global server attract more players or is it lagging behind the EU/"Global" two server numbers? (and just for clarification I put the global in qoutation marks to denotate that I was sarcastic - global was never really global).

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if you think a clan is hiding behind a timer then why don't you stop being stupid and go find a clan that is active in that time zone. then reach into those deep pockets you got and pay them to take the port and then give it to you.  if enemy clan is truly hiding behind the timer then they will not be able to defend the port. 

problem solved. 

#stopsucking

p.s   or you can keep asking the devs to give you another bottle to get your milk from. they will prolly cave in sooner or later. 

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8 hours ago, Lars Kjaer said:

Tell me... Did the global server attract more players or is it lagging behind the EU/"Global" two server numbers? (and just for clarification I put the global in qoutation marks to denotate that I was sarcastic - global was never really global).

Having played both at the same time, I'd say the population in one or the other was more due to old allegiances than timer situation, so there were clans that moved from pvp3 to pvp2 and then stayed when it went Global.

Global had EU/US/OCE players. EU server was more EU CET oriented, which for a GMT guy doesn't cut it - and that is only 1 hour difference ! That's how far EU server went.

Not against the tests, but personally for me is a no go. This is not a game like IL-2 where ppl can host their own servers with their own rules to fit themselves.

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the port timers were implemented to prevent nightflipping,  now with such a low player count it is to prevent multi flipping  :P funny how everything comes down to population on the server yet again :D 

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multiflipping is more correct

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1 minute ago, Wyy said:

the port timers were implemented to prevent nightflipping,  now with such a low player count it is to prevent day flipping :P funny how everything comes down to population on the server yet again :D 

agree. With a bigger pop nighttimers wouldnt be a thing

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20 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

1. I can use alts for afk bumping online at any given time I wish

You have alts in the same nation and in the same clan? ;)

 

20 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

2. What do you consider peak? If on 15-18 ALOHA has 7 online and on 5-7 we have 6 online, are we gonna pay a lot punishment for timers in 5-7 zone because of 1 player difference??? Our clan is mostly global, we have Americans, 3 Chinese, Aussies.

Ok, my first idea was actually some linear proportion, which would solve that problem. I thought that proposed version will be easier, but You made the point.

So if for example, You have peak of 8,7 players at 17:00Z, and 5,6 players at 04Z, for a timer at 04Z You would have to pay 55% more for timer, as it's the difference between average amount of players at that specific time.

8,7 : 5,6 = 1,55 

Simple math

 

20 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

3. If 1 guy logins into clan during the day at 11-14 and logs out, no one else in the clan logins, is the peak? Kinda bs statistic I call it

If no one else gonna log in whole week, I guess it's a dead clan anyway so it's pointless to talk about.

I'm talking about WEEKLY averages. And I wrote it from the start ;)

 

Points 4,5 and 6 are pretty much off-topic. Diplomacy is absolutely different part of story.
And of course anyone can log on anywhere if there is a need (f.e. another "ALL SERVER MEET UP CARTAGENAAA DURR!!!").

But we are talking about general timers, on general conditions.

Therefore I also find talking about "theoretical" pointless - I'm not gonna believe, that if ALOHA get flipped in their current timers 3 days in a row, You will log in to command those battles every day, cause no human beeing can survive that long without a sleep.

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2 hours ago, OjK said:

You have alts in the same nation and in the same clan? ;)

Our clan has at least 5 alts inside clan, we can make it 15 if we really want/need.

 

2 hours ago, OjK said:

If no one else gonna log in whole week, I guess it's a dead clan anyway so it's pointless to talk about.

Rio Seco is owned by XOXO. XOXO has 1 active player, but the port has been defended by entire Prussian nation for months if not a year. You can call it a dead clan, I call it 1-man clan, he pays for all timers and maintenance costs. Sometimes he doesn't login for a week, so the peak of clan is 0? Does it mean that all time zones are same cost?

@OjK I play mostly at nights due to work/studying and other things that keep me busy throughout the day and I do sleep every day :) But why I am supposed to command these battles? ALOHA has at least 3 good battle commanders in the clan with 3-4k hours experience in NA, 2 of them are from the US.

Instead of your "theoretical" believing or not believing, attack us and night and verify your beliefs. You can't be also so narrow-minded with a tunel vision of port being owned by a single clan. It's the entire "friend list" faction, union, alliance, call it what you want, that defends the port. Fort Dauphin was ALOHA port attacked by HAVOC, it was like 18v18 players battle, where 3 players were from ALOHA maybe and 1 or 2 players from HAVOC, if any at all? Mind explaining me who are these other 30 players in PB?

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I feel you @OjK it is quite annoying to see some european clans setting timers to obviously hide (or not get mutliflipped). 

Though, your proposal has too many negative side effects as I could agree with it. Like others said multi time zone clans would suffer and also clans from one time zone with high numbers in eg. morning (CET) created by mainly pve players with families and a lower peak of pvp players in the evenings. Just as an example. 

As I think @Wyy pointed out, it's generell speaking just a matter of player numbers!

 

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4 hours ago, Intrepido said:

You had europpean timers before the attack of HAVOC and @rediii. In fact, when you took the setlement you asked (in the stream) to your own clan mates which was the best timer for defending and the next days the port showed an europpean timer.

Fake news, many of our ports had that timer for a long time before HAVOC attacked Hispaniola. Only HANSA kept EU timers, because they are 100% Europeans. Also @Intrepido Settlement was HANSA port, not ALOHA. They chose the timer. I can list you how many US players ALOHA has, We've got 11 US players, 2-3 active Europeans at nights, 3 Chinese and 2 Aussies. So the European crew of ALOHA is 50%, the other 50% are other time zones.

4 hours ago, Intrepido said:

You are using a mechanic to deny content, plain and simple. Please dont even try to fool me in a rvr matter

Every European clan is using EU timers mechanic to deny content, plain and simple. All Europeans deny content from Americans and Aussies, can't you agree? 

We all know that GB nation has like 25-50 online players during the nights. They can organize fleet, flip a port and come fight us. We are setting our port defenses to the timer where we have the highest chances of winning, do you want to call that stupid? Also it helps us avoid multiflips of European zerg. Won't you agree @Intrepido that multiflipping small nations is denying content? HAVOC is playing to win and we're playing to win. Why should we come out from safety and wait to get shot to death? 

Facing reality - We go back to EU timers. HAVOC attacks Plata, they take the port. Most of the Germans quit the nation. Swedes, Danes, Poles and GB attack multiple other ports, multiflip or whatever flip, doesn't matter. We lose bunch of ports "bravely" fighting. We lose our resource bases, shipyards, forges, etc. Prussia lost a war, gg wp, "everyone" had fun, lots of Prussians quit the game, Prussia doesn't have ability to make cannons, repairs or ships anymore, Prussia gets simply eliminated from RvR. This is the scenario what happens if we switch to EU timers, our nation would get annihilated, most of the Prussians would switch nation or quit the game.

Now tell me @Intrepido if it is not smart to avoid that scenario... If GB wants war, they should send BAIT and other American clans/players in GB to attack us. That is A LOT OF CONTENT for all Americans. Why they don't attack? This war is not HAVOC vs ALOHA, it is GB vs Prussia.

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I think there should be a cheaper timer for having a larger vulnerability window such as half price for a 6 hour vulnerability.

In fact 3 hours is not quite enough minimum time.

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6 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

.... most of the Prussians would switch nation or quit the game.

no, never change the nation then just quit the game 😉

 

I hope after the release there will be another EU server and one for the rest of the world....

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Just to remind everyone how 1st generation of Prussians got wiped out by GB attacking their ports (and some other nations too). Prussians lost all their core ports and almost all of them quit. Same happened to Russia losing Kidds/Bermuda ports and Poland using their core bases at Barahona and Les Cayes (even if Vazco tries to disagree with that). 

@Intrepido if rediii and HAVOC want "content" and "fun", they should attack some useless ports and just solo-flip. Instead they go for multiflips with Sweden and Denmark and attack core Prussian ports, right in the heart. I don't call that content nor fun, I call it attempt to annihilate Prussia and win the war by all means. 

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1 minute ago, Banished Privateer said:

Just to remind everyone how 1st generation of Prussians got wiped out by GB attacking their ports (and some other nations too). Prussians lost all their core ports and almost all of them quit. Same happened to Russia losing Kidds/Bermuda ports and Poland using their core bases at Barahona and Les Cayes (even if Vazco tries to disagree with that). 

@Intrepido if rediii and HAVOC want "content" and "fun", they should attack some useless ports and just solo-flip. Instead they go for multiflips with Sweden and Denmark and attack core Prussian ports. I don't call that content nor fun, I call it attempt to annihilate Prussia and win the war by all means. 

I could agree that being steamrolled (by numbers, quality, or even both) is unpleasant. And I was on the receiving end spending quite some time as USA and during Spain collapse.

Still I dont sincerely understand the mindset of a bunch of players (and a few clanmates) about (double standard) fairness.

This is (naval) warfare.

No fairness in war. If I have numbers I would use numbers, if I have quality I will try to exploit it.

As if I have faster/nimbler/sturdier/more armed/better boarder/better whatsever ship than my enemy I will (try to) exploit my strenghts on enemy's weaknesses.

And it is not only fair.

It's commander's duty (and measure of his wisdom).

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40 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

.....Prussia gets simply eliminated from RvR. This is the scenario what happens if we switch to EU timers, our nation would get annihilated, most of the Prussians would switch nation or quit the game......

A Prussian who leaves the nation because he loses ports does not deserve to sail under this proud flag.

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