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On 9/27/2019 at 7:40 AM, Marquês do Bonfim said:

I wish we would only suggest flags that were actually used around the West-Indies, tho.

but than certain nations would not exist in the first place. 

perhaps we need all the nations of the world from that era to exist in the game.    even the shineese, even a sanpan.... in this game.... :)

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flags and nations should be historical as the game itself ( even the DEVs says that the game is historical(?!) based).

But I would be happy when the actual flags we have are used in a correct way and that we can see the flags also in the OW.

A big Bonus would be the availability of CLAN Flags (hoist as the National Flag).

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2 hours ago, van stiermarken said:

flags and nations should be historical as the game itself ( even the DEVs says that the game is historical(?!) based).

they say it is, but its far from historical based

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we have some time for the 2d artist next week.
Lets add new flags we forgot and must add to the collection

(we are adding 2 for Norway thanks to feedback from Facebook)

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7 minutes ago, Angus MacDuff said:

Please.  We have a desperate need of a proper Scottish flag! (in the GB nation of course)

maybe not the best timing... 🙂

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and what about :

  • the Scottish Red Ensign, used by the Royal Scottish Navy until 1707 ?

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  • the Flag of the Company of Scotland Trading to Africa and the Indies (1698) ?

Flag_of_the_Company_of_Scotland_Trading_to_Africa_and_the_Indies.svg

 

Was the yellow one a naval ensign ?

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Sure, but if you're going to give we Scots a proper flag....It might as well be our favourite.  We already have the Red ensign......Looks too English IMO! (and the St Andrews cross can be mistaken for Russian..)

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47 minutes ago, admin said:

we have some time for the 2d artist next week.
Lets add new flags we forgot and must add to the collection

(we are adding 2 for Norway thanks to feedback from Facebook)

Would it be possible to create a community fantasy national flags pack for DLC? Some of the flags are very historical but very boring looking. Some community members could design new flags inspired on historical sources?

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Now this might be a tough sell....I guess it could go in Brit nation?

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On 11/6/2019 at 5:37 PM, admin said:

we have some time for the 2d artist next week.
Lets add new flags we forgot and must add to the collection

(we are adding 2 for Norway thanks to feedback from Facebook)

On 12/7/2018 at 12:59 PM, z4ys said:

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Flag of Kurfürstentum Brandenburg 1695 + Kurbrandenbrugische fleet under full flags. Painted 1684 by Lieve Pietersz Verschuier

 

 

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Iron Cross used on prussian warships around 1816

 

 

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How to hoist colors on prussian warships under Admiral Prinz Adalberts

 

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Prussian yacht 1704 but painted 1904 by Willy Stöwer

 

Source: Deutsche Flaggen - Edition Maritim by Jörg- M. Hormann

On 4/6/2019 at 4:32 PM, z4ys said:

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still would like to see this as flag 

 

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Friedrich I. Preussen - Yacht 'Liburnica'
Friedrich III. von Brandenburg)*11.07.1657-25.02.1713+König in Preussen 1701-1713Kurfürst von Brandenburg ab 1688Luxusyacht "Liburnica" von König Friedrich I. in einem Hafen. Der schwimmende Palast hat 100.000 Taler gekostet und hatte 22 Kanonen.zeitgenössischer Stich von Johann Georg Wolffgang (Kupferstichkabinett Dresden)

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On 11/6/2019 at 5:37 PM, admin said:

we have some time for the 2d artist next week.
Lets add new flags we forgot and must add to the collection

(we are adding 2 for Norway thanks to feedback from Facebook)

dear admin, you should make some global flags available for all (from nations not yet in this game) like Portugal and or Austria for instance.

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@admin I know you working on other protects but can we get a slider that we can make our flags bigger or smaller? That would be very cool. It has not a high priority but would be a cool feature.

Btw we could also have a slider to choose how worn our flags are maybe. If they are new or battlescared ( hope this word is right) 

 

 

 

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i give 60.000 doubloons for this one in the admiralty shop :))

Dutch admiralty flag (yellow flag with red lion and 7 arrows and sword )

impossible to find (someone?)

looking for call to search for...

Flag of the States General: Yellow, a red crowned lion with a sword and a bundle of arrows. On this detail of a painting by H.C. Vroom blows this flag on the large mast, the place where the flag of the sovereign is hoisted.

0x2hrv7pb7.jpg flag of states general on the rear flag pole

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http://www.hubert-herald.nl/Souverein2.htm

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Flag of the States General: Yellow, a red crowned lion with a sword and a bundle of arrows. On this detail of a painting by H.C. Vroom blows this flag on the large mast, the place where the flag of the sovereign is hoisted.

https://fotw.info/flags/nl_sg.html#gs1

^^

nl_sg.gif found only this graphical bad example...

(the blue can be made red,..  and the color of the yellow can be altered to some more goldish color)

 

 

 

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On 11/13/2019 at 9:46 AM, Lukas97Austria said:

Btw we could also have a slider to choose how worn our flags are maybe. If they are new or battlescared ( hope this word is right) 

depending on how many battles you've used the flag in would be cool :P reset to fresh flag when you sink with it :D 

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52 minutes ago, Thonys said:

Dutch admiralty flag

Dutch had actually 5 Admiralties, so which one is needed?

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2 minutes ago, Malcolm3 said:

Dutch had actually 5 Admiralties, so which one is needed?

lets just start with all of them

1. first: states general first the yellow flag with the red lion and 7 arrows . (the old one)

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31 minutes ago, Thonys said:

lets just start with all of them

Your post here almost a year ago

 

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27 minutes ago, Malcolm3 said:

Your post here almost a year ago

 

#A year ago🧐

thanks for the REMINDER.(already forgot i made a post about it )

now it is up to the NA flag painter guy :)

 

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On 3/5/2019 at 1:27 PM, Thonys said:

 

On the famous painting by Adriaen Pieterszn. van de Venne, View of the harbor of Middelburg from 1615 (Rijksmuseum)

 

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What are the main ensigns on the 2 boats in front?

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On 11/22/2019 at 8:37 AM, admin said:

What are the main ensigns on the 2 boats in front?

the painting: 

hDeparture of a Dignitary from Middelburg, Adriaen Pietersz. van de Venne, 1615

The warship De Zeehondt is being towed to sea from the harbour of Middelburg by four muscular draught horses. The identity of the departing person who is drawing so much attention from a multitude of lowand high-ranking people is unknown. However, it must have been someone of standing, for even Stadtholder Maurice’s yacht is present; it fires a salute.

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/artists/adriaen-pietersz-van-de-venne/objects#/SK-A-1775,4

 

 

the painting itself is a painting with the city of middelburg in theback (red flag with tower)    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlag_van_Middelburg

zeeuwse-vlag-luctor-et-emergo.jpg?w=300&  province flag Zeeland (  Lions face towards the flagpole)

   260px-Middelburg_vlag.svg.png city of Middelburg

A previous flag had three horizontal stripes in yellow, white and red. This flag was named in 1739 and 1783 as the flag of Middelburg.

In the seventeenth century, according to some sources, a green-white-blue and an even green flag were also in use.

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Note: the yellow-white-red flag appears to have different colors, but Bowles has shaded the flag correctly according to heraldic usage. (heraldic colors)

https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Middelburg_historische_vlag_18e_eeuw.svg

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlag_van_Middelburg

 

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painting it is the lead out with four horses of the  ship "zeehond " [animal seal ] under the flag of city  middelburg province ZEELAND

 

the front left ship is the yacht of the Prince of Orange   

from the looks of it it must be the "Orange blanche blue"(old dutch flag  orange white and blue) flag and the royal coat of arms on it 

it is the original Prinsen flag 

260px-Prinsenvlag.svg.pngThe colors are in French orange-blanc-bleu. This was 'translated' in Dutch as orange blanc bleu.

 by the looks of it ......it has the coat of arms of the Prince on it ......  painters painted a recognition of the person in the painting

 

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_Maurice,_Prince_of_Orange,_KG.png

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Prinsenvlag met het wapen van Prins Maurits  (the coat of arms of Maurice,_Prince_of_Orange)

we also see the ( double)  prince flag       red- white- blue- red-white - blue

nl-pr2a.gif

 

the white flag seems to be some kind of royal flag >>> the french  Fleurs-de-Lis 

the flag on the stern looks like   Fleurs-de-Lis (french)

 perhaps there where some french guest on board or the prince he came from france harbor with a french captain  (???)

it is not a dutch flag.53296-full.jpg

 

{careful* colorization of the painting }

the red yellow red is probably just the middelburg flag*  (yellow -white -red)>  disputable*

but the flag can be Dordrecht or Gouda cities in the vicinity  

260px-Flag_of_Dordrecht.svg.png hoorn 

 

also red yellow red is spain in those days (remnants   ???  ) no other red yellow red in that area found yet....*

also Hoorn a city in the northern part of holland North holland (province) use this kind of colors seen in  picture below 

 

 

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flag of Zeeland (province)

flag of middelburg (city)

Geus of Vlissingen (city)

Geus of Middelburg (city)

Geus van Veere (city)

 

 

green white green white  green white green .green white green seems to be Rotterdam ???

.  no blue white is found yet  in the vicinity of zeeland. (or it is a flag of high ranked coat of arms people flag) >>  correct [edit]  it is  enkhuizen  

the closest i can make of it is : flag of the city of  Rotterdam

rotterd3.gif is not in the painting (edit 01 03 2020) missing flag is found)

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VOC Zeeland Chamber (in Middelburg)

[VOC Zeeland Chamber (in Middelburg)] by Mark Sensen, 19 November 1996

Other versions of the cypher showed a "Z" (for "Zeeland") above, some also with a "M" below:
[VOC Zeeland Chamber, other versions of the cypher]

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Edit * 01 03 2020

found the missing flags 

the red yellow red pennant is from the city Enkhuizen

also the flag dark bleu / white seems to be from that city Enkhuizen

in the picture below we see the crest of the city enkhuizen on the ship

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Enkhuizen Coat of Arms

[Enkhuizen Coat of Arms] image from the Enkhuizen municipal website.

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6 flags 

https://fotw.info/flags/nl-indco.html

representing the 6 admiralty chambers of the voc merchants 

 

Image by Mark Sensen
  
Image by Mark Sensen
Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie, Amsterdam
 
  
Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie, Delft
 
Image by Mark Sensen
  
Image by Mark Sensen
Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie, Enkhuizen
 
  
Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie, Hoorn
 
Image by Mark Sensen
  
Image by Mark Sensen
Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie, Middelburg
 
  
Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie, Rotterdam

 

VOC Rotterdam Chamber - Administrator

[VOC Rotterdam Chamber - Administrator?] by Mark Sensen, 30 July 1998

A painting by Ludolf Backhuysen with a view of the Rotterdam harbour shows a yacht with a white flag with the Rotterdam cypher and red-white-blue stripes at the top and bottom. According to Jos Poels (in [vxn] Vexilla Nostra no. 214) white flags with tricolour stripes at the top and bottom were used by administrators of the Navy Admiralities in earlier centuries. Maybe this was a flag of an administrator of the VOC Rotterdam Chamber?

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/mijn/verzamelingen/2657354--anouk-vdh/sea-ship-ahoy/objecten#/SK-A-11,0

in this painting the painter put his signature in the Administrators flag (Backhuysen) 

 

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The Warship Brielle on the Maas for Rotterdam by Ludolf Bakhuizen, 1689.

also the red flag of the war ship meaning no quarters

  also seen the yellow flag with the admiralty red lion in it (Staten Vlag) [states flag]

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no letters in the administrators flag 

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dutch flag with the coat of arms of the city of Amsterdam

also in top the States flag [staten vlag] (english : general Admiralty flag)( in dutch : Generaliteits vlag)

there are two types the old version (before +/_ 1650? ) and an new version 

 

Generaliteits vlag  (new version with sword and 7 arrows) after year: 1650?)eevhud1avlb8.jpg

 

the old version (no sword no arrow) of the Generalities Vlag

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also visible as a Geus in front of the ship in the movie (old/new? model) :fragment > the admiral trailer @admin

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/zoeken/objecten?q=zee+schilder&p=2&ps=12&st=Objects&ii=6#/SK-C-1707,18

https://pixels.com/featured/willem-van-de-velde-ii-leiden-1633-london-1707--the-dutch-fleet-in-the-goeree-roads-ca-1672-willem-van-de-velde-the-younger-1633-1707.html   (right ship flag on every mast)

Schepen_onder_de_kust_voor_anker_(Willem

 

(EDIT: no krown on the lions head.removed)

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15 minutes ago, Thonys said:

6 flags representing the 6 chambers of the merchants

would you mind posting the flags of their living room ? 🙂

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