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1 hour ago, admin said:

do you have any images of this emblem (on the main battle flag) similar images or pics of this flag or other sources that can be used to recreate it

There are a lot of different ones.

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Großes_Wappen_Preußens

It can be a crest of the king or all cities / or just a few cities

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small version

 

 

 

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Huge version

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If youre going to make that price tag worth it for nations like Sweden for instance you need to add a lot more for a cosmetic dlc.

 

I suggest adding for Sweden the county flags. Just to create more depth for that nation. Could not find a visual quickly so this is all I got: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_Sweden

 

@admin will this second round of flags be patched in to the current DLC or are you planning on making another DLC of Flags. I suggest just patching these second round of flags in. The Flag DLC is already expensive for the content receiving and by patching the new flags in should help balance the value of the purchase for people who are currently reluctant. 

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Flags in-game could use some retexture to make it look more like a real flag. Some of the flags are really colored and contrasted, some aren't. And I can't wait to have more flags in my disposal, let's get on with the updates, please! xD

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Dutch; Admirality Zeeland  middelburg

The red flag with the golden castle that now flies all over the city is not the city flag, but the geuzen or blood flag that was used in wartime by ships of the Admiralty and hijackers who had Middelburg as their home port and scoured sea and ocean looking to enemies to capture booty from.

This blood flag normally blew from the masonry mast. The prince's pennant (not a flag) blew from the big mast and from the breeding mast or the bowsprit the official city flag or a Zeeland flag blew. However, this classification was not used so strictly, often enough was deviated from it.

On the famous painting by Adriaen Pieterszn. van de Venne, View of the harbor of Middelburg from 1615 (Rijksmuseum)

 

Venne_SK-A-1775-300x143.jpg

 

the Middelburg geus, for example, waves the large mast of the admiralty ship Zeehond. On the two paintings that Cornelis Louw made in 1714 (Scheepvaartmuseum Amsterdam) and 1725 (Maritime Muzeeum Vlissingen) of Vlissingen barges on the roads for the city, we see that same blood flag on the bowsprit, but now with the Vlissingse jar on it.

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Use of this blood flag was not limited to the sea alone. In accordance with the laws of war, attackers did not have to give 'quarter' (grace or life) to the other party if they resisted a siege or attack, if at least the choice for surrender had been given in advance. To make the intentions clear to the enemy, for example, the blood flag could be hoisted, indicating that no 'quarters' would be granted or accepted. [1]

Most people who have ever met a ship that carried the red flag with the golden castle of Middelburg probably will not have kept the best memories of it, if they could tell it. Now, after surrender, not everyone was hunted over the blade, but usually made prisoners of war, even though that was no fun at that time.

The last time that the Middelburg geus flew to a ship's deck of a hijacker was probably in the Napoleonic era; already more than two hundred years ago. The last time such a flag was carried on an admiralty ship dates back even further, probably in the time of the Fourth English War (1780-1784). More than 230 years ago so and time turns out to be a healing concept in history. For example, it is a bon ton to make jokes about Napoleon, but an uneasy field of tension can arise if you make the same kind of joke about Hitler. The past is too tangible for that because there are still people who have experienced the war itself or are still dealing with the consequences.

Back to the Geuzen flag of Middelburg, because which flag should the Middelburg groats protrude? Very simple, the official Middelburg flag, which looks very solid, even a bit boring. This has, just like the Dutch flag, three horizontal bands in the colors yellow, white and red. [2]

According to Van der Dussen, a captain in the service of the Admiralty, this would have been red-white-yellow around 1700. [3] We no longer know anything about mankind's use of tradition, but he probably has hung the flag upside down. In the Neptune François (Amsterdam, 1693), published by Pieter Mortier, there is an image of the flag on which the correct sequence can be seen: yellow-white-red. In fact, publisher Mortier gives two images. At the top is the following text at the official tricolor: 'flag of Middelburg in Zeeland, yellow-white-red' and the blood flag below it: 'geus of Middelburg, red with a golden burg.' [4] Also in many from other old atlases this order is mentioned and both the official city flag and the geus are described. The Neptune François, however, also gives a colored example.

It is not for nothing that the shutters of the old city hall of the city have been painted yellow-white-red for years. Maybe not as bright as that golden castle in that bright red area that is now waving everywhere in the city, but it is correct.

Johan Francke, information specialist

https://opac.zebi.nl/vubis/PDF/411923161.pdf

 

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middelburg

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zeeland blood flag

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The red flags with the yellow tower now flutter in the shopping streets,

'Middelburg lifts the war flag' (The war on trade has begone.    lol )

MIDDELBURG - Middelburg celebrates 800 years of city rights. With the accompanying flag display in the shopping streets, however, something is wrong historically. The red flag with the yellow tower on it is not the city flag of Middelburg, but the blood flag used by the hijackers and ships of the Admiralty in wartime.

 

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also seen here the: 

province flag zeeland, (admirality zeeland)

flag of Middelburg ( naval and merchant)

warflags:

Geus van  Vlissingen ( blood flag )

Geus van  middelburg ( blood flag)

Geus van Veere ( blood flag )

https://opac.zebi.nl/vubis/PDF/411923161.pdf

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as part of the Verenigde Nederlanden Verenigde provincien

a little forgotten history with his own flag

and as forgotten existence forgotten in the united provinces.

it's the year 1790  where the southern part  of the united provinces had his own flag   from January to December 1790

where it finally becomes separated to the now known Belgium part of the former united provinces

its a period called as the Oostenrijkse  Nederlanden  (Austrian Netherlands)

after that period  is no longer part of the United Provinces

the flag:  1790 

Dutch:  Austrian  Netherlands 1790 

  1920px-Flag_of_the_Brabantine_Revolution

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verenigde_Nederlandse_Staten

and: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Belgian_States

 

The United Belgian States (Dutch: Verenigde Nederlandse Staten or Verenigde Belgische Staten, French: États-Belgiques-Unis, Latin: Foederati belgii), also known as the United States of Belgium, was a confederalrepublic in the Southern Netherlands (modern-day Belgium) which was established after the Brabant Revolution. It existed from January to December 1790 as part of the unsuccessful revolt against the Habsburg Emperor, Joseph II.

after the revolt, it was decided it became an own republic of Belgium

Frankische tijd:Volksverhuizing in de Lage Landen · Frankische tijdMiddeleeuwen:Geschiedenis van de opkomst van vorstendommen en steden in de Lage Landen · De Nederlanden in de MiddeleeuwenBourgondische tijd:Geschiedenis van de Bourgondische Nederlanden · Zeventien ProvinciënHabsburgse tijd:Geschiedenis van de Habsburgse NederlandenSpaanse tijd:Geschiedenis van de Spaanse Nederlanden · Tachtigjarige Oorlog · Republiek · Zuidelijke NederlandenOostenrijkse tijd:Geschiedenis van de Oostenrijkse Nederlanden · Brabantse Omwenteling · Verenigde Nederlandse StatenFranse tijd:Franse tijd in België · Franse tijd in NederlandNederlandse tijd:Nederlandse tijd in België · Verenigd Koninkrijk der Nederlanden · Groothertogdom Luxemburg (1815-1890)Moderne tijd:Belgische Revolutie · Geschiedenis van België · Geschiedenis van Nederland · Geschiedenis van Luxemburg

 

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V P

Flag of Rotterdam (2 flags)

separate flown on the ships of the Admiralty of ( Rotterdam*) Holland [ VOC ]

https://www.schemecolor.com/rotterdam-flag-colors.php

  • Name: Ao (English)
  • Hex: #008100
  • RGB: (0, 129, 0)
  • CMYK: 1, 0, 1, 0.494
 
WHITE
  • Name: White
  • Hex: #FFFFFF
  • RGB: (255, 255, 255)
  • CMYK: 0, 0, 0, 0

Rotterdam_flag_-_Bowles's_naval_flags_of

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Jacob_van_Strij_-_Het_jacht_van_de_kamer

1920px-Flag_of_Rotterdam.svg.png

 

* just a little footnote 

Rotterdam the BIGGEST HARBOR in the World (even today) :)

 

ref: https://fotw.info/flags/nl-indco.html#in

 

 

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Some more American privateer and naval ensigns.

Grand Union Naval Ensign with green and red stripesd71c686153822f98b1c03f7114c35ed9.gif

Brigantine Lexington Ensignus~lexen.gif

Brigantine Reprisal Ensign 1776us~prvt.gif

Connecticut Privateer Ensign connecticutprivateer.gif

New England Naval EnsignFlag2%20~%20Pine%20Tree%20With%20Stripes

From http://www.loeser.us/flags/revolution.html

Edit: gonna add one more addition

Ensign of the Revenue Marine 1815

Ensign_of_the_United_States_Revenue-Mari

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Steam Description:

The collection includes 70+ historical hand drawn flags of all in game nations. You will only be able to use flags of your current nation. If you change nation the available set of flags that you can use will automatically update to a new nation.

Is there any link to see wich flags belongs to wich Nation?

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2 hours ago, Sven Silberbart said:

Steam Description:

The collection includes 70+ historical hand drawn flags of all in game nations. You will only be able to use flags of your current nation. If you change nation the available set of flags that you can use will automatically update to a new nation.

Is there any link to see which flags belongs to which Nation?

I made a list below.

Great Britain:

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Danmark:

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Sverige:

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Russia:

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USA:

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France:

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Spain:

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Prussia:

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Poland:

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Verenigde Provincien:

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Pirates:

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Neutral/Free Towns:

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Let me know if I missed or misplaced one please.

Edited by Anolytic
Added 2 flags that were missing.
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On 3/8/2019 at 12:03 PM, Thonys said:

Rotterdam the BIGGEST HARBOR in the World (even today) :)

Sorry it no longer is, it was overtaken by Singapore and they were overtaken by Shanghai.

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On 11/29/2018 at 1:07 PM, admin said:

we could consider permanent long term historical allies as additions to nations.

Well then:

1920px-Flag_of_the_Helvetic_Republic_(Fr

The flag of the Helvetic Republic when under French rule from 1798 to 1803 (it already has a nice Jamaican touch to it 😉).  You won't find it on a ship but the Swiss served regularly in the Caribbean under the king, for example the Régiment de Hallwyl which served on Martinique, Santo Domingo and Louisana (and took quarter on the King's ships) : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Régiment_de_Hallwyl

R%C3%A9g_de_Hallwyl_1752.png

 

 

 

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Copying this over:

Flag of the Rochefort Marine Arsenal (where a lot of the 1800s ships were built):

900px-Drapeau_Arsenal_Rochefort.svg.png

 

Flag of Martinique where France's in-game capital of Fort Royal is located:

2000px-Snake_Flag_of_Martinique.svg.png

 

Flag of Saint-Malo (Bretagne) home to French privateer Robert Surcouf:

600px-Drapeau_de_Saint-Malo_(20%C3%A8_si

420px-Le_Renard_(1).jpg

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2 minutes ago, Jean de la Rochelle said:

Flag of Martinique where France's in-game capital of Fort Royal is located:

2000px-Snake_Flag_of_Martinique.svg.png

This flag was used by traders that sailed from/to the Martinique, ie mainly by slavers.

Nowadays, this flag is connected with slavery in this island. Thus, it could be very offensive in a game.

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285355351_BavariaRiverFleet.png.1d6bf14e

Really disappointed with this one to be honest... the relationship between Prussia and Bavaria was one of mistrust and rather hostile. 

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Despite being a army and not a navy flag, it is much more likely a prussian ship would have flown a flag like this.

"Bavaria river fleet" flag as "national flag of the kingdom of prussia" seems like a joke.

I'm happy for everyone using and liking the flag but I really cringe hard every time I see it in game...

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36 minutes ago, LeBoiteux said:

Nowadays, this flag is connected with slavery in this island. Thus, it could be very offensive in a game. 

Thanks for the insight, scrap it then.

 

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