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Patch 26. Spanish Frigate Diana, BR rebalance - Diana is a timed reward.

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This is the painting I mentioned above, there´s another one by Corné showing the battle between C and Guerrière IIRC

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On 8/29/2018 at 4:42 AM, admin said:

If battle rating is affected by sustained battle performance and usage rate it will always generate outliers, sometimes lowering its rating below lower classed ships.
It will become and feel normal, once everyone consider br not as arbitrary number based not only on ship stats but how this stats affect battle performance (new missions wont be BR based but will be class based)
Excepted outcome: Port battles will definitely be more diverse now. And ships that were avoided before will get used more. Which will in turn could increase the rating. If performance does not change - then ships stats definitely need to be addressed. 

Couple of iterations and the ratings will stabilize.

I just want to say how much I appreciate the new BR system. I know that some ships are way off right now but this is such a big step in the right direction. I know that with playing the ships and proper feedback that by the time release comes around every ship should have a fairly accurate BR. It will never be perfect but certainly is a lot better than what it was.

 

Port Battles are going to be crazy now!! (In a good way). Just had s shallow water port battle yesterday with several different kinds of ships on both sides. Only a couple Le Requirements. I had a great time being trounced!

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9 minutes ago, Malachi said:

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This is the painting I mentioned above, there´s another one by Corné showing the battle between C and Guerrière IIRC

That paint should be the default one for conie classic.

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45 minutes ago, z4ys said:

How would it be possible to give navy brig or lynx a BR? They are not used in pbs. Same goes for many other ships.

It should be noted that anything below 80 BR cannot get into deep water port battles... this now includes the Merc, Rattler and Snow.

The new sailing profile of the Diana, for anyone who's interested, up against other downwind sailors:

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47 minutes ago, z4ys said:

How would it be possible to give navy brig or lynx a BR? They are not used in pbs. Same goes for many other ships.

It would not be possible if there were no statistics, only thing left is to use your brain to estimate a value and check again in the next iteration.

I would not have done this radical changes as admin did. Max 10% changes in the first iteration, then check again in the next one. If ship is not used in Port Battles, then decrease BR -10%.

To me it would be hard to get in balanced numbers by doing this big changes, so I would stay in smaller iteration. Would be somehow easier to follow ships development instead of jumping from "Not Used" to "Most Popular" or the opposite. We don't know if this is going to even happen though.

Doesn't have to be perfect the first time, but it is very good that they started the process finally.

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2 minutes ago, Wraith said:

The new sailing profile of the Diana, for anyone who's interested, up against other downwind sailors:

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so now nobody will use the trinc because diana is better average? Better guns (currently) + stern guns better sailing profil

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3 hours ago, z4ys said:

the classic one has same stats as the one that is currently ingame. Differences are only sail appearance and 4 bow chaser instead of 2. Max crew thickness speed are all the same. Classic one has 9 more crew in sailing tho.

Classic actually has a better turn rate at the expense of a small, downwind nerf (according to the API data):

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1 minute ago, z4ys said:

so now nobody will use the trinc because diana is better average? Better guns (currently) + stern guns better sailing profil

But those 4 chasers will make up the difference.. ;) 

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2 minutes ago, Cmdr RideZ said:

It would not be possible if there were no statistics, only thing left is to use your brain to estimate a value and check again in the next iteration.

I would not have done this radical changes as admin did. Max 10% changes in the first iteration, then check again in the next one. If ship is not used in Port Battles, then decrease BR -10%.

To me it would be hard to get in balanced numbers by doing this big changes, so I would stay in smaller iteration. Would be somehow easier to follow ships development instead of jumping from "Not Used" to "Most Popular" or the opposite. We don't know if this is going to even happen though.

Doesn't have to be perfect the first time, but it is very good that they started the process finally.

Don't forget that BR affects tagging, so for even those ships not used in PBs, they need a BR. 

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1 minute ago, z4ys said:

so now nobody will use the trinc because diana is better average? Better guns (currently) + stern guns better sailing profil

Trinc is, on the other hand, faster and better hunter due to 4 bow chasers.

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8 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Classic actually has a better turn rate at the expense of a small, downwind nerf (according to the API data):

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Better turn rate meh Connie needs more speed even by apperance it is clear that Connie is not turn fighter

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2 hours ago, Wraith said:

It should be noted that anything below 80 BR cannot get into deep water port battles... this now includes the Merc, Rattler and Snow.

The new sailing profile of the Diana, for anyone who's interested, up against other downwind sailors:

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Thx bro.

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2 hours ago, z4ys said:

so now nobody will use the trinc because diana is better average? Better guns (currently) + stern guns better sailing profil

Trinc has more damage because more guns is better than higher caliber guns. I think its base speed is better too. 4 bow chasers is epic for hunters. 

I enjoy both ships. 

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Just logged in to claim the Diana (first time I've logged in in a couple of months, I'm guessing) and man, the new open world UI and map look beautiful. Good job, devs. :)

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6 hours ago, Malachi said:

The closest you´ll get to her War of 1812 appearance is the model gifted to Isaac Hull by Connie´s crew and the Corné painting, commissioned by Isaac Hull.

Can post links atm, but hopefully someone other can :)

Or the actual ship. The goal of the last 2 maintenance haul outs was to restore her to that configuration/appearance. 

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In terms of leaks all ships do not get leaked the same take the victory vs the santi. The victory for some magical reason just takes so many leaks. Sitting still not moving (leaked), Going bow on at the enemy (leaked), hell it even gets leaks on the leeward side under water. While the santi is the only first rate I have never been able to leak shot. With standard ball I have never gotten more then 5-6 leaks even at the best leak moments (90 to the wind on the windward side and waiting for the wave). I think the ocean is right were it should be, it can take a fatal amount of leaks if you make a mistake but it does not take leaks all over/just no leaks at all. Anyway Making the victory not such a leak magnet would go a long way to making a useable first rate again.

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On 8/29/2018 at 3:29 PM, admin said:

We shall see if meta changes and how it changes. If people switch ships then for PB the meta is Guns per BR and we should reduce the performance influence. if people keep sailing top performers as they win battles no matter what - then it will be time for stat balancing. 
Overall gap between 7th rates and 1st rates could be even bigger. 

BR itself is a fix only for RvR purpose. OW wont be fixed by BR changes. If for example you would bring again meaningfull trading to the game, some ships are an easy pick to get perfect results. It shouldnt be like that.

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13 hours ago, Borch said:

BR itself is a fix only for RvR purpose. OW wont be fixed by BR changes. If for example you would bring again meaningfull trading to the game, some ships are an easy pick to get perfect results. It shouldnt be like that.

In open world, I guess the BR change will impact and improve the reinforcement that can be called in green areas. 

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16 hours ago, DeRuyter said:

Or the actual ship. The goal of the last 2 maintenance haul outs was to restore her to that configuration/appearance. 

And do you think they did a good job? Just asking.

 

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Im intrested @admin why is bow part of Constitution where other ships have Bowfigure black and golden while in most pictures i can find its black and white did i missed something ?

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