Alvar Fañez de Minaya Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Funny..... British have 6 different ships with name Diana in that age..... Apart the spanish Diana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Diana 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cetric de Cornusiac Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Alvar Fañez de Minaya said: Funny..... British have 6 different ships with name Diana in that age..... Apart the spanish Diana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Diana That's what happens when every nation refers to antiquity and mythology for chosing names. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Interesting to hear about the BR balance change. I wonder if it will be just a few ships, or all ships getting BR adjustment. Edited August 28, 2018 by Teutonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Ok...a ship and br change....thats great. Where is the port UI and economy patch. Any word? A date? A Guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NethrosDefectus Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, Headless Parrot said: Ok...a ship and br change....thats great. Where is the port UI and economy patch. Any word? A date? A Guess? They've already given that info out, check the announcements section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvar Fañez de Minaya Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cetric de Cornusiac said: That's what happens when every nation refers to antiquity and mythology for chosing names. True.... French have eleven ships named Diane.... xd https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Diane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alado Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) I like this diana more, only two guns : https://www.thecultureconcept.com/wonder-woman-princess-diana-of-themyscira-a-winning-wonder but this post said: Patch 26. Spanish Frigate Diana, BR rebalance so HMS????? Edited August 28, 2018 by Alado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corona Lisa Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Pavel becoming meta or at least viable would be great because its the most difficult to use lineship in the game due to its heel. I also hope we see other 1st rates in PBs than l`Oceans 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamBlower Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, Intrepido said: Please we need to see that BR rebalance before the patch gets deployed. 40 minutes ago, woodenfish said: Where will we be able to see the BR? Just wodering how we will calculate the BR for a PB if they keep changing... 1 hour ago, admin said: Major BR rebalance We are gradually moving away from the static BR based on HP and DPS characteristics and will also consider several other factors including battle performance data. How it will work Ships with much lower performance statistics will have lower BR even if they are a higher class vessel. For example 2nd rate pavel having a much worse battle performance than 3rd rate Bellona will have a lower BR than Bellona. The changes will be applied gradually as full performance based BR is currently impossible as it will break old mission system. Once new mission system is added in September we will let battle performance influence the ship BR slightly more. This will mostly affect the port battles and will require captains to recalculate their battle plans for future conquests. Additional info will be posted in a bit. Guys glas was half full. Now it seems they fill up. Let's wait, see and test. The idea of reworking the BR seems the right way to balance the use of the different ships. Admin declared to this gradually - in my opinion this means they will check the effects and adjust. We will see. Keep cool! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vazco Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, admin said: We are gradually moving away from the static BR based on HP and DPS characteristics and will also consider several other factors including battle performance data. How it will work Ships with much lower performance statistics will have lower BR even if they are a higher class vessel. For example 2nd rate pavel having a much worse battle performance than 3rd rate Bellona will have a lower BR than Bellona. That's a move into a very good direction, thank you for introducing this There's some risk with using battle performance data here though, depending on what you mean by this. Some ships are eg. great for capping circles and denying enemy points (Requin). Some are great for tanking damage (L'Ocean with floating battery). Those statistics are very important in PB's, however they're not always linked with ship's general kill/death ratio. For PB's it's probably most efficient to calculate how often a ship was used in certain types of PB's (those which allow for something else than 25 1st rates). By optimizing BR according to ship usage, you're basing your optimization on the same stat that you want to optimize. It's then impossible to game the system. Sidenote: for calculating BR for OW, which as I understand affects PvP mark rewards for ships, kill/death ratio calculation maybe could work. Edited August 28, 2018 by vazco 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Intrepido said: @admin I'm really confused now. Which spanish frigate is this one? Please post plans or pics because the community chose in the poll the spanish 12lb frigate of the Mahonesa Class. And those frigates werent heavy frigates at all. Spanish Diana - carried 12lb in 1793, but started carrying 24lb in 1815 And its dimensions give her the weight and displacement that is a bit lower than Trincomalee. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickBecombo Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 This ship is really nice, looking forward to playtesting it, but what happened to the Christian VII? I was really hoping it was that 2 rate ship we got to test. And from the picture, it looks like it was very close to being done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suricato Rojo Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, admin said: Spanish Diana - carried 12lb in 1793, but started carrying 24lb in 1815 And its dimensions give her the weight and displacement that is a bit lower than Trincomalee. Casiemosido egañados Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelis Evertsen de Oude Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 So Herc will be atleast 300BR? As it destroys all 4th rates. 200 for the Requin. Cause it's a gamechanger in portbattles. Overall good work. Will be interested what BR you gave the ships. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Whatever happened to the port UI and ship flags patches? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cornelis Evertsen de Oude said: So Herc will be atleast 300BR? As it destroys all 4th rates. 200 for the Requin. Cause it's a gamechanger in portbattles. Overall good work. Will be interested what BR you gave the ships. yes it also means my prince will be 300 BR because it can board 4th rates and my bellona will be 580br since it kills a l'ocean 1v1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Christendom said: Whatever happened to the port UI and ship flags patches? Port UI as in the H2 announcement is in september as well as flags Edited August 28, 2018 by Guest flags also in september Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Fragata Diana 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, admin said: Hello Captains Patch will be deployed in the next day or two to live servers. Diana wil be given out for testing to all captains in the Caribbean. It will be a timed reward - you will have to login and claim it within 15 days. Spanish frigate Diana Spanish heavy frigate filling the gap between heavy and medium frigates Gundeck - 24lb guns 42lb carronades Upper deck - 9lb guns 32 lb carronades. Major BR rebalance We are gradually moving away from the static BR based on HP and DPS characteristics and will also consider several other factors including battle performance data. How it will work Ships with much lower performance statistics will have lower BR even if they are a higher class vessel. For example 2nd rate pavel having a much worse battle performance than 3rd rate Bellona will have a lower BR than Bellona. The changes will be applied gradually as full performance based BR is currently impossible as it will break old mission system. Once new mission system is added in September we will let battle performance influence the ship BR slightly more. This will mostly affect the port battles and will require captains to recalculate their battle plans for future conquests. Speed changes Wind curves slightly tweaked for Hercules Privateer Speeds slightly increased for Mercury Niagara Lynx Privateer Prince Keep in mind that this speed change is a temporary fix to provide more options in the 6th rate category - all ships speeds, turning, and heel performance will be updated after port ui patch based on battle performance with the goal to increase gameplay depth. Current historical wind curves (fully based on sail plans) have been found to reduce gameplay depth instead of improving it, and will be adapted this autumn. Diana Screenshot Admin great changes this new system of BR based on ship performance is great idea. As for Diana can you tell us after this 15 days will she become craftabe or imported ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said: Admin great changes this new system of BR based on ship performance is great idea. Remember that this first change is gradual and is not final - importance of performance and other data will increase over time. Initial tunes will be slight to not break mission balance. Once old mission system is removed we can expand the influence. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @admin and anyone knowledgeable of such things. Why is the Diana so nicely low in the water but the Trincomalee and L'Hermione and Le Gros Ventre stand so high ? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, admin said: Speed changes Wind curves slightly tweaked for Hercules Privateer Speeds slightly increased for Mercury Niagara Lynx Privateer Prince Keep in mind that this speed change is a temporary fix to provide more options in the 6th rate category - all ships speeds, turning, and heel performance will be updated after port ui patch based on battle performance with the goal to increase gameplay depth. Current historical wind curves (fully based on sail plans) have been found to reduce gameplay depth instead of improving it, and will be adapted this autumn. I love the patch notes so far, BUT! The requin will still not have a 6th rate counter if you want to generate pvp action unless you open up the possibility for more vulnerable crew health at the weatherdeck. My live oak/white oak requin goes 15.5 with elite pirate and with the speed cap it wont help much to boost the other ships speed other than you can build it with heavier wood and maintain the same speed. Yes i remember the days when grape brawl was the thing in shallow water, but it only makes sense to blast an open deck ship with grape broadside to prevent boarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Smith Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 56 minutes ago, Christendom said: Whatever happened to the port UI and ship flags patches? This will be in big patch mate. (at least port UI) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaos Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, admin said: Diana wil be given out for testing to all captains in the Caribbean. It will be a timed reward - you will have to login and claim it within 15 days. Spanish frigate Diana Spanish heavy frigate filling the gap between heavy and medium frigates Gundeck - 24lb guns 42lb carronades Upper deck - 9lb guns 32 lb carronades. So will this be just a one time redeem during the testing period like it was for the Le Requin and Hercules? If so you are making a mistake as limited supply does not allow for proper testing. Like with the Le Requin and Hercules a lot of things were not noticed or reported till the ships had been released as DLC and people were able to try out different variations and loadouts. With a single try redeem many people will be too cautious and it will not get tested properly and if this ship becomes a DLC then you will face the same complaints as you did for the Le Requin and Hercules after full release. To properly test you should allow unlimited redeems during the test period, but only allow one per character at a time and at the end of the test period all are deleted so people do not just save them up. It may cause some disruption with people just using them as throwaway ships, but at least they will get used and we are here to test things out anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, Archaos said: So will this be just a one time redeem during the testing period like it was for the Le Requin and Hercules? If so you are making a mistake as limited supply does not allow for proper testing. Like with the Le Requin and Hercules a lot of things were not noticed or reported till the ships had been released as DLC and people were able to try out different variations and loadouts. With a single try redeem many people will be too cautious and it will not get tested properly and if this ship becomes a DLC then you will face the same complaints as you did for the Le Requin and Hercules after full release. To properly test you should allow unlimited redeems during the test period, but only allow one per character at a time and at the end of the test period all are deleted so people do not just save them up. It may cause some disruption with people just using them as throwaway ships, but at least they will get used and we are here to test things out anyway. i agree, but first im not sure Diana will be DLC ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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