Licinio Chiavari Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Aquillas said: My last fight in a Niagara was vs a Surprise or a Frigate, I don't remember. It lasted more than one hour. But: This Niag was built to fight, not to run. I use all the unnecessary skill you don't need in a red sail cancer. The same fight in a cancer ship would have been a rage boarding attempt (360 v 240, no necessary skill), then sailing upwind even with hull and sails at 60% (no necessary skill), then sarcastic comments to the Surprise captain (cancer captains have developed this skill widely) Requin players are so used to no skill fighting that you can't imagine anymore fighting with some disadvantage, compensating with skill. For your information, Niagara can out-turn any 5th rate frigate, she can angulate to bump broadsides if she is not built to kill traders and run others. But obviously, all that is not necessary to a cancer captain. Just replace angulating by using a low hull that cannot be hit from distance, just replace long fights by running, just replace skill by sarcasms. Just replace PVP by PVzero. Dear Sir. a) any raider HAS to be built at least ALSO for speed. You can be a PvP God... but on a LO/WO Connie in enemy safezone (or close to her) it'll be only matter of time to be sunk. And you'll sink. Even being a PvP God, probably without even sinking a single enemy ship. b) Do you really think Requin do not need skill? Aside (AGAIN) there's no "rage" in my/our boardings (AGAINx2: it's not a last ditch effort attempt while losing the gunnery battle. It's something prepared and aimed for WELL BEFORE EVEN SEEING AN ENEMY - I consider a truly "coldminded-boarding"), do you think boarding dont require any skill? Especially against a nimble ship (Surprise) able to finish a tack into the wind at over 4 kts? Are you kidding? c) Yes, Niagara can outturn any 5th rate. And Requin simply cant outturn any 6th and even some small 5th. Ever tried? d) Do you think we (requin users) are not sharpening our skills? tactics? coordination? IMO we are simply getting better far faster than Jamaica Coast Defense... that keeps not trying (if not in the rarest chances) different tactics... and keeps doing the same errors all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licinio Chiavari Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Aquillas said: They run upwind too rapidly for that. I got, again, 8 fights with them yesterday, without any variety nor dynamism. Only attempts to board me (all failed) after they did the same with the initially attacked casual player (some worked). I bore surrended the last fight. And left the game. Is this a feedback? May be using big frigates, SoLs and Brigs is not the smartest tactic vs. a xebec. And failing to board a brig on a requin... it's pretty normal if the brig (like you) has a clue: brigs lose too few speed tacking... and turns far better: so it's difficult to board. Nothing strange with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquillas Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Licinio Chiavari said: May be using big frigates, SoLs and Brigs is not the smartest tactic vs. a xebec. We know that very few ship can approach xebec performance, notably Lynx and Privateer before they were speed nerfed in last patch. I did not test them since, but with less speed... And even if they could match the speed by addition of the pirate refit, evene if they could reach the 15.5 knots of the xebec, they will have to face a 384 pd carro broadside of the xebec with 108 pd for the Privateer, and to face 300 men with 60. They have no chaser, the Req has. The privateer will have to run downwind for escaping, but his performance is impacted by the refit, xebec is not... You know the conclusion. I tested the privateer: no way. The Brig and other squared rig ships are out upwind, even the pickle is. The only remaining ship to counter the Requin is another Requin. When this Xebec vs xebec occurs in fight, the chased goes 15.5 kn capping, same as the chaser. The chased can use chains in rear guns, not the chaser. So, at the best, 90 minutes are lost for both. Yes, let's all use Requins! But what about new players who do not have the crew? I know, they are sentenced to be xebec's food. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licinio Chiavari Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Aquillas said: We know that very few ship can approach xebec performance, notably Lynx and Privateer before they were speed nerfed in last patch. I did not test them since, but with less speed... And even if they could match the speed by addition of the pirate refit, evene if they could reach the 15.5 knots of the xebec, they will have to face a 384 pd carro broadside of the xebec with 108 pd for the Privateer, and to face 300 men with 60. They have no chaser, the Req has. The privateer will have to run downwind for escaping, but his performance is impacted by the refit, xebec is not... You know the conclusion. I tested the privateer: no way. The Brig and other squared rig ships are out upwind, even the pickle is. The only remaining ship to counter the Requin is another Requin. When this Xebec vs xebec occurs in fight, the chased goes 15.5 kn capping, same as the chaser. The chased can use chains in rear guns, not the chaser. So, at the best, 90 minutes are lost for both. Yes, let's all use Requins! But what about new players who do not have the crew? I know, they are sentenced to be xebec's food. As ROVERs already showed, Prince+Privateer can beat a Requin. How many times has to be repeated? And: what bans using Requin? I have a couple Privateers... and atm she's a LIGHTING. IN ANY DIRECTION. I'd like a nice crew boost (as a boarding fitted Niagara can get more crew than a 5th, and as crew fitted Indef can hit comparable levels of a Connie... etc... 7th rates is the only ship group that crew fitted cant get close to next rank levels). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Privateer is good at crew numbers. No need for changes. Have to work for my prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licinio Chiavari Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 54 minutes ago, Hethwill the Harmless said: Privateer is good at crew numbers. No need for changes. Have to work for my prize. Fine point. Still historically they had far more while raiding 😎 And another competitor to Requin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 And they also had less. And they also didn't have access to navy arsenal so they had to equip with whatever they could. And ... and... and... Ship does have the correct crew. And it can board way bigger vessels. You just have to be more complete in your approach, so no push pull kill all the time. Le Requin is a fine veffel. Shame to see it used as a whip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licinio Chiavari Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hethwill the Harmless said: And they also had less. And they also didn't have access to navy arsenal so they had to equip with whatever they could. And ... and... and... Ship does have the correct crew. And it can board way bigger vessels. You just have to be more complete in your approach, so no push pull kill all the time. Le Requin is a fine veffel. Shame to see it used as a whip. Without DD crap crew levels are far less an issue. The DD pushed the use of overcrewed ships. And the funny situation two similar sized boarders... Cant board each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Jezzebuus... do we play the same game or something ?... C'mon... If we almost ALMOST been able to overcome the DD in a L«Ocean with Princes and Privateer i am sure you can manage versus a frigate with one. quoting you... and don't take this the wrong way " And the funny situation two similar sized boarders... Cant RAGEboard each other. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huliotkd Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Hethwill the Harmless said: And they also had less. And they also didn't have access to navy arsenal so they had to equip with whatever they could. And ... and... and... Ship does have the correct crew. And it can board way bigger vessels. You just have to be more complete in your approach, so no push pull kill all the time. Le Requin is a fine veffel. Shame to see it used as a whip. yesterday i was ready to board the bucentaure with 252 crew...is it enough low to stop telling requin is broken? after graped him to 300 crew more or less... the only weapon requin has is boarding...requin users can use only this tactic. prepare yourself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Ah-ha ! That's the fun part about age of sail. What was the objective ? Taking prizes, apprehending the enemy privateers. I am sure the ship perfectly suits that purpose in its conception. Do not try to transform her into something she isn't built for. Embrace the ship as she is and chase prey she is supposed to go after. o7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licinio Chiavari Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hethwill the Harmless said: Jezzebuus... do we play the same game or something ?... C'mon... If we almost ALMOST been able to overcome the DD in a L«Ocean with Princes and Privateer i am sure you can manage versus a frigate with one. quoting you... and don't take this the wrong way " And the funny situation two similar sized boarders... Cant RAGEboard each other. " Almost. Because... Let me guess... Too high diminishing return in crew damage? Under 50% crew it is a pain to kill more. Again. A full fitted boarding ship (already being a boarding ship herself - like Requin or LGV refit) is not "RAGE"-boarding nobody. Boarding is her fitting and she'll aim to it before seeing an enemy. Or long+penetration fitting aiming at masts as tactic would be "ragesniping". No. It's simply what the ship is fitted to do better well before leaving the port. No raging last ditch effort. But cold blooded preparation. Edited September 4, 2018 by Licinio Chiavari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn Rocko Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 The Requin should be susceptible to large amounts of grape damage given that it sits so low in the water. I like the Requin, but its very OP and I feel comfortable saying that. I had a few 1v1's with bigger ships the past few days (Surprises, Diana, and Trinc) and I was able to brawl as if I was in another 5th rate. Requin vs Surprise isn't even a close fight, bigger guns, twice as fast at best point of sail, and maneuvers better. It's sad because I think everyone wants to like the Surprise, but its turned into a pretty useless ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquillas Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Almost all ships are useless in Xebec Action! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, Licinio Chiavari said: Almost. Because... Let me guess... Too high diminishing return in crew damage? Are we playing the same game ?... Guess not. See you in Jamaica, for we intend to gank the gankers. ~S~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licinio Chiavari Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, Aquillas said: Almost all ships are useless in Xebec Action! Fakenews. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licinio Chiavari Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 45 minutes ago, Capn Rocko said: The Requin should be susceptible to large amounts of grape damage given that it sits so low in the water. I like the Requin, but its very OP and I feel comfortable saying that. I had a few 1v1's with bigger ships the past few days (Surprises, Diana, and Trinc) and I was able to brawl as if I was in another 5th rate. Requin vs Surprise isn't even a close fight, bigger guns, twice as fast at best point of sail, and maneuvers better. It's sad because I think everyone wants to like the Surprise, but its turned into a pretty useless ship. a) She is more susceptible. b) a less experienced Frigate captain is 99% dead vs. a Requin. As a thumbrule, Requin requires more experience to be countered. For a newbie she totally unbeatable in any ship. A Requin "specialist" knows pretty well her weaknesses... And has a clue on how to exploit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Know your enemy...etc... be victorious... something like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetooth Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Aquillas said: Almost all ships are useless in Xebec Action! They are with that attitude. Long msy you continue to harbour it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Crowns Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) I HAVE recently been gifted the le requin. it is by far the most fair and balanced ship in NA. it is fun and engage. do not nerf. game is fun and engaging.! the main reason its fun its because safe zones don't matter... na best game 2018 Edited September 5, 2018 by King of Crowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Crowns Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 as a testimony to the fairness and balancedness. I offer you this screen shot...…. XD #nomoresafezones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbler (Retired) Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 No point playing until balance is restored This is retarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Crowns Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, Dibbler said: No point playing until balance is restored This is retarded NO SIR ……………. this is the only way you can play with safe zones in game. gg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbler (Retired) Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, King of Crowns said: NO SIR ……………. this is the only way you can play with safe zones in game. gg Ah so is now Req Action. Now i understand, we all need to buy the Hobbit ship and stop new players liking the game. I always let new players go on their way, last one i did fight north of great corn tagged me and i gave him his ship back. I have built ships for new guys in GB about to quit game, and taken them to places outside Jamaica to help them. As result one's i helped are still here.... just. But now you know what fook it, I no longer give a rats ass about game growing. Why should i when older experienced players and dev decisions act to destroy it. I always liked it when you guys came to kpr, was a fight and now you use req's so no point... rage board over... is bullshit sir Good luck in dying game o7 Edited September 5, 2018 by Dibbler 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liq Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 19 hours ago, Capn Rocko said: It's sad because I think everyone wants to like the Surprise, but its turned into a pretty useless ship. When it takes 5 carro hits to take out a mast... Well, your chances are pretty low in achieving anything. Lol Rip surp 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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