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http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/8950

See "le Requin". Her model is exposed in le Musėe de la Marine in Paris. 

She was a shallow water ship, with 24 guns (8 livres françaises= 8.5 pd, almost 9pd), and 36 pierriers (small canons which can fire stone balls instead of iron balls, might be replaced by swivels?)

 

http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/8951

Another interesting link for "le Singe" a smaller chebec with a mixed rigging, main and rear masts squared. Quite a famous ship in France, was commanded by Suffren, who made plans to use some of these ships in the Channel against British traders (20 x 6pd guns).

 

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Love "Le Musée National de la Marine". Better visit that than the Eiffel Tower or Le Louvre!

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Was cool testing the ship, but I died because of getting 2 fires in the row... 😤 2 rigging shocks, sails down to 40% and couldn't move...

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On 6/8/2018 at 3:15 PM, Banished Privateer said:

If it's terminator, why people don't use it in PBs? Maybe they are scared... I've seen only a couple of US players is it so far and Prussia.

 

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Fun ship, dont think i have enjoyed sailing something so much in a while. Its nice to get to play with the sailing mechanics. Also can be a huge pest for larger ships, sunk a bucentaure before this unfortunate incident :(. Hopefully there will be another way to get one xD. Although for me, i find no issues at all. the 2pd cannons are most certainly not useless like some would think, I just wish we could use them on more ships for chasers. unknown.png

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On 6/8/2018 at 1:19 PM, admin said:

one of the first premium ships

Do you have any ETA of the ship in shop? Already lost mine and can't wait so sail it again... Also will there be paintjobs for it in the future? Brest Harbour, Rogue Noir or Outlaw would be really nice.

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Love this ship, can't wait to buy it, great and surprising addition, devs! 😄

20 hours ago, Eleazar de Damas said:

Another interesting link for "le Singe" a smaller chebec with a mixed rigging, main and rear masts squared.

Love the funny detail on this ship:

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#moremonkeyfiguresonships

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La Requien is the first ship where I do not use Auto at all. Everything manual and feels absolutely credible control of the rigging - with the success of the maneouvres and failures as well. The fine tuning of the trims is just a great feeling.

I noticed the knowledge XP gain to be dramatically fast and i'm sure this is on purpose for testing ;) 

Given the sailing tests posted by jodgi and Z4ys, very little to add at this point, except that she is unique. Looking at the plans the hull and keel symmetry from fore to aft makes sense in her attitude being blown back at speed.

Her tiller is massive and clearly shows in game with her turning radius when rigging is rotated accordingly.

The crew stations seem good, especially on the rigging, there's no crew aloft on the xebecs as there's no need. I am wondering how the full/half/slow/battle will be done. Weren't the entire yards descended as opposed to furling sails up into the yards ? It could be a great novelty and maybe balance her, in a credible way, meaning that the changes from full to battle could take longer.

I like her due to being a leap forward in the game in herself - dispensing with the auto skipper ( as best option much of the way ) to being a ship which is much better when fully and manually trimmed all the time and almost dispensing with the auto except when straight run.

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This ship is really a little gem! It is graphically beautiful, has unique navigation mechanics, is simply funny!
Pro
Navigate well to any wind, suffer a little downwind, but certainly you can not have everything! Maybe it's all too well if you have to correct something. When it will be shallow it will be a good ship (one of the best). Speed control through the yards is exceptional!
Great crew, I suggest to invent a special perk only for this ship (like the pirate frigate) to counterbalance the "determined defender" perk.
Discrete firepower if equipped with carronate, excellent as anti Prince de Neuchatelle even with 9 pders long.
Exceptional speed. Even exaggerated in negative speed.
Good turn, especially against the wind.
Cons
Little hull
Little cargo holding

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33 minutes ago, MassimoSud said:

This ship is really a little gem! It is graphically beautiful, has unique navigation mechanics, is simply funny!
Pro
Navigate well to any wind, suffer a little downwind, but certainly you can not have everything! Maybe it's all too well if you have to correct something. When it will be shallow it will be a good ship (one of the best). Speed control through the yards is exceptional!
Great crew, I suggest to invent a special perk only for this ship (like the pirate frigate) to counterbalance the "determined defender" perk.
Discrete firepower if equipped with carronate, excellent as anti Prince de Neuchatelle even with 9 pders long.
Exceptional speed. Even exaggerated in negative speed.
Good turn, especially against the wind.
Cons
Little hull
Little cargo holding

you forgot she gains speed wery quickly also

 

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1. The incredibly high acceleration and deceleration makes La Requin extremely difficult to control. You can instantaneously stop dead in front of other ships and make them trip over you.

2. There is too much 'sensitivity' when it comes to yard angles. The difference between sailing forward at 4 knots and sailing backwards at 3 knots is about 2 degrees of yard angle. Actually stopping is very difficult because of this.

See, I'm sailing along at over 3 kts with my sails almost completely depowered.

3. Her speed of 10 knots at 20 degrees from the wind is way too much. We don't need a way to troll trader lynx captains by using magic lateen sails.

4. Sailing in reverse so fast would not be possible because the foot of the sail would collapse and create a much less efficient shape. Sure is fun, though.

5. La Requin would be much easier to control if she didn't always turn downwind when using manual yards. Maybe reduce the rotational power of the foresail?

6. I often find that the xebec turns in the opposite direction I expected, when using manual yards.

Examples (xebec should probably be turning right, not left):

Main and mizzen are trimmed more efficiently that the fore

Ditto, more pronounced example

Main/mizzen totally depowered, foresail 'by the lee' (but should still be pushing the bow to starboard IMO)

Foresail totally depowered, main/mizzen trimmed properly

 

 

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...but of course the xebec is amazing eyecandy, even if the game isn't really equipped to simulate how these big lateen sails work.

Can we get a mod for white sails?

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8 hours ago, maturin said:

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Can we get a mod for white sails?

She has a paint slot. I hope that one paint will change the sail color as well :)

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My new favorite ship :) 

I think that AIs shoot high when set to demast her, though... I'll see if I can test it but in the battles I've fought so far, they all seem to aim as if they expect more mast above what Requin really carries, and consequently, very few shots (if any) find their mark

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On 6/9/2018 at 11:32 AM, Banished Privateer said:

Was cool testing the ship, but I died because of getting 2 fires in the row... 😤 2 rigging shocks, sails down to 40% and couldn't move...

It's historically correct. In the book 100 Days by Patrick OBrien it clearly shown what happens to Xebecs when frigate fires it's guns and does proper damage. Massive fire and ship is split in half. These ships are meant to be fragile, but maneuverable. 

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3 minutes ago, Wind said:

It's historically correct. In the book 100 Days by Patrick OBrien it clearly shown what happens to Xebecs when frigate fires it's guns and does proper damage. Massive fire and ship is split in half. These ships are meant to be fragile, but maneuverable. 

Good.  They have to have weaknesses to balance their strengths.

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7 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Having only 3 sails the crew should be faster rising them, that way we can control a bit better the ship.

The crew works the entire yard. Not sure about the time of having a dedicated rigging crew aloft and working up and down the yards as needed. Video shows nicely the small crew working 1 mast only.

 

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26 minutes ago, Wind said:

It's historically correct. In the book 100 Days by Patrick OBrien it clearly shown what happens to Xebecs when frigate fires it's guns and does proper damage. Massive fire and ship is split in half. These ships are meant to be fragile, but maneuverable. 

I just wonder how NA RNG and catching fire is realistic, because almost every fight I catch fire and I set 2-3 enemy ships on fire. It seems to be way too common. Ship is fragile and has low HP which is fine for me, but if common fire RnG is this ship killer, then I don't see a promising future for it, especially if it's supposed to be a premium ship. I can already imagine reviews:

"I just paid 10$ for premium Xebec, first 5 minutes into battle I caught fire, went into a rigging shock and got killed"

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1 hour ago, Banished Privateer said:

I just wonder how NA RNG and catching fire is realistic, because almost every fight I catch fire and I set 2-3 enemy ships on fire. It seems to be way too common. Ship is fragile and has low HP which is fine for me, but if common fire RnG is this ship killer, then I don't see a promising future for it, especially if it's supposed to be a premium ship. I can already imagine reviews:

"I just paid 10$ for premium Xebec, first 5 minutes into battle I caught fire, went into a rigging shock and got killed"

That is the job of mods/woods to provide protection and boots fire res. If it's vulnerable to fire , use such mods. That ship is already OP. Making Fire chance too low will leave room for more damage/reload etc.. mods that will make that ship too strong. Xebecs were weak in structure, planking, sails, but had good boarding and maneuver characteristics. 

Have you tried best fire res wood + mods? test it ... and then provide details, so we can see if fire nerf is necessary. Testing the worst fire res wood + no fire res mods and bitching about it does not look professional for a mature tester.

P.S. you wanted hardcore game , you got it...do you think 1 dura ships and premium content is coincidence? 

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1 hour ago, Intrepido said:

Having only 3 sails the crew should be faster rising them, that way we can control a bit better the ship.

No, these would be among the slowest and most cumbersome sails in the game.

Really, the yard turning speed should be glacial, because of how much labor is required to handle the sheets.

 

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It's historically correct. In the book 100 Days by Patrick OBrien it clearly shown what happens to Xebecs when frigate fires it's guns and does proper damage. Massive fire and ship is split in half. These ships are meant to be fragile, but maneuverable. 

You're thinking of a frigate splitting a galley in half by ramming it.

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10 minutes ago, maturin said:

 

You're thinking of a frigate splitting a galley in half by ramming it.

Does that make my statement about how fragile they are a faulty one? Galley and xebec are close in design and most likely with the same hull elements. 

P.S. I can clearly recall detailed damage to such ships in 100 Days book. 

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There's an enormous difference in the tonnage, displacement and structure of those two vessels.

A galley is usually just a glorified barge that draws very little water.

La Requin is a large oceangoing ship. She may be lighter built than a frigate with the same firepower, but put her next to a brig and take a look. Just because the sides aren't thickened to absorb damage doesn't mean that the ship isn't robustly built.

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15 hours ago, maturin said:

jxEZBEQ.jpg

Yes, please make wing-and-wing and other lateen-specific maneuvers beneficial to sailing

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20 minutes ago, maturin said:

There's an enormous difference in the tonnage, displacement and structure of those two vessels.

A galley is usually just a glorified barge that draws very little water.

La Requin is a large oceangoing ship. She may be lighter built than a frigate with the same firepower, but put her next to a brig and take a look. Just because the sides aren't thickened to absorb damage doesn't mean that the ship isn't robustly built.

Xebec does carry more thinner ribs indeed, but light planking. 

Brig does carry less ribs more thicker, but much thicker planking as well. 

What does it leave us with? 

More thinner ribs + weak planking = more structure resistance?, but easier to penetrate and damage?.

Less ribs + thicker in size + thicker planking = harder to penetrate, harder to damage structure rib skeleton.

What do you think about this?

High Quantity/dense stack of ribs , easy to hit them (xebec) vs small chance to hit ribs due to small quantity and stack (brig).

In my opinion, dense stack of ribs will result in a catastrophic fracture inside ship when enough damage is applied. 

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37 minutes ago, Wind said:

P.S. you wanted hardcore game , you got it...do you think 1 dura ships and premium content is coincidence? 

Premium and hardcore has nothing in common.

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19 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

Premium and hardcore has nothing in common.

Oh it does, think deeper. ex. There was one game (won't name it) where you would spend $ and your every move would be watched and reported. Now when time was right hardcore would come in play and take your purchase away and force you to spend more. 

EvE online proven such practice and still does, many other games run it. ;) Simply put, any premium content will be hunted down and taken in a quick and timely manner and with alt population thriving it will be very easy to do. 

 

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