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 @admin Please tell me it's not true!!

That could not be the real new BR!!! How you can justify this new BR???!!! Wasa less than Agua? Bellona less than 3rd rate?? Niaguara less than Snow??? Endymion less than Trincomalée???

OMG guys, did you just spent this night drinking vodka ???!!!!

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We got the perfect nerf for the Wasa one month ago, and now you remake it totally OP........ 290 BR for a Wasa?!!! How it could happen, that's a hello kittying Bellona with the speed of a frigate:!!!!! 

 

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Can we all be a bit less histrionic regarding BR here?...  

1) Its a game.

2) They explained how they came up with these numbers

3) They explained that they will be adjusted 

4) Its a game.

5) Its.  A.  Game.

 

Looking forward to testing the new sail profiles.

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1 minute ago, Flocki Skarsgard said:

all looks good devs.

cant wait to test and play more.

Wait, you really agree to this new Battlerating???!

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20 minutes ago, TrackTerror said:

Lower caliber guns have higher dps.

Assuming you penetrate and can shoot constantly.

This is where I believe the algorithm gone wrong.

 

I think it's funny that DPS is considered a thing when a lot of folks have looked at the numbers and have consistently said that always fitting the best Cannon you can load on a ship is better than fitting a smaller caliber.

example, why would you ever fit a 24pd cannon when you can fit a 32pd or 42pd cannon on that deck.

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1 minute ago, Comeonche said:

Wait, you really agree to this new Battlerating???!

There's a lot of other good stuff in there. Frankly I find the lack of discussion on the new UI, disturbing

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Just now, Slim Jimmerson said:

There's a lot of other good stuff in there. Frankly I find the lack of discussion on the new UI, disturbing

The new UI is intersting too, but this new BR is a hello kittying joke for me. 

An exemple, if you do a dual fight between a Constitution and a Wasa, I can assure you the Wasa will always win!!

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27 minutes ago, Comeonche said:

The new UI is intersting too, but this new BR is a hello kittying joke for me. 

An exemple, if you do a dual fight between a Constitution and a Wasa, I can assure you the Wasa will always win!!

I am so happy after having kept my 2 Wasas...

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4 minutes ago, Comeonche said:

They give us the nerf of tha Wasa we were all waiting, and now they make him again OP; it's ridiculous

To be fair, Wasa HP is 6k now, after the buff (was around 5500). Agamemnon has 6k HP, Constitution has 6.5k HP, 3rd rate and Bellona have 7.4k

This hasn't made the Wasa OP

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1 minute ago, EliteDelta said:



This hasn't made the Wasa OP

He has a OP fire power, so he is, OP, 

Big fire power -----------> easy demast, easy reload shock etc........

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17 minutes ago, Comeonche said:

The new UI is intersting too, but this new BR is a hello kittying joke for me. 

An exemple, if you do a dual fight between a Constitution and a Wasa, I can assure you the Wasa will always win!!

Not only that, but the Wasa is a 3rd rate, It's not even in the same class as an agga. It really is a silly mistake. (must be right?)

 

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4 minutes ago, Comeonche said:

He has a OP fire power, so he is, OP, 

Big fire power -----------> easy demast, easy reload shock etc........

Its a 3rd rate. Bellona has the same gun setup, so that is true for Bellona also. Is Bellona OP?

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Just now, EliteDelta said:

Its a 3rd rate. Bellona has the same gun setup, so that is true for Bellona also. Is Bellona OP?

He's specifically talking about the BR of the Wasa which is 290, while agga is 300.

Does that make sense in any way? I don't think so.

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1 minute ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

He's specifically talking about the BR of the Wasa which is 290, while agga is 300.

Does that make sense in any way? I don't think so.

Ah, well he only mentioned firepower. 

That BR list is a complete joke, so I agree there. 

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4 minutes ago, EliteDelta said:

Its a 3rd rate. Bellona has the same gun setup, so that is true for Bellona also. Is Bellona OP?

Bellona have a higher BR!!! Wasa should have BR close to the Bellona!

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1 minute ago, Comeonche said:

Bellona have a higher BR!!! Wasa should have BR close to the Bellona!

My mistake, I hadn't realized you were talking about BR.

I agree with you :)

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4 hours ago, Liq said:

Looks good overall, but one question remains...

Surprise same BR as Pirate frigate? 

It has much worse masts and 9s + 6s compared to 18s + 12s.

I believe they are basing it off of max caliber guns which means surprise out dps a pirate frigate with carros on both ships.

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7 hours ago, admin said:

Captains

Final part of the sailing model and ship stats tuning have been deployed.

  • Battle ratings for vessels have been updated based on their strength and close range sustained damage
  • Sailing model and wind polars
    • After testing and monitoring the usage of ships we have decided against exaggerated curves for vessels and have moved to fully historical sail composition.
      • previously we buffed downwind or upwind performance to create differences, which caused some ships to become useless or less useful.
    • All sails area have been recalculated based on their optimal and potential sail area, that could be achieved by the captain by trimming or adapting his sail plan, within constraints of ship mast lengths and yard lengths. 

 

Will there be more options of sail trims in battle to produce altered profiles?

For example, there are no real differences when being Full sail or Half sail except a speed difference. Going slow sail is useless.

Lets say I only want my foremast sails down for better turning downwind, will this be an option the sailor can perform?

 

Many ships sailed with battle sails in combat to avoid catching fire, I think battle sail should have more of a use in battle than reduced speed.

 

Also it be useful if the amount of sailing crew changed as you changed how much sail you had 

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42 minutes ago, Quineloe said:

Wasa 290 BR as third rate

Agamemnon 300 BR as fourth rate

 

Is this intended?

yes and no
BR from this patch will depend on the formula. Formula will adapt as we go - thus BR will evolve over the next week or two. 
BR changes are intended but numbers are not final. 

We deploy patches as they are ready and some undeveloped or unfinished features will get it in parallel. The player overreaction is exaggerated no-one will remember the issue in 30 days. 

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31 minutes ago, pit said:

Many ships sailed with battle sails in combat to avoid catching fire, I think battle sail should have more of a use in battle than reduced speed.

Sailing under topsails may mean using only 30% of your square canvas, for some ships. But topsails are the most useful and powerful sails, so IRL you would expect to make more than 30% of your top speed.

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@admin

I may be looking too much into this picture, as my assumption is just that its a placeholder or being used as some sort of clan flag but is there any reason why the Venetian peace flag is used over the Lion of St Mark holding a sword, which would make a lot more sense in the game. While there are quite a few variants the item being held by the Lion is quite significant, the book symbolises openness, learning and humanism.

crqFBBt.jpg

 

Where as the sword symbolises themes such as superiority, power and sacrifice, the example below also contains the book shut under the left paw which has symbolism in itself but there are about 8 different common variations so I will save people of the bore of the details.

800px-Flag_of_the_Republic_of_Venice.svg

 

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30 minutes ago, admin said:

yes and no
BR from this patch will depend on the formula. Formula will adapt as we go - thus BR will evolve over the next week or two. 

Some common sense before you make a release could be used.

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