z4ys Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, admin said: Formulas will of course need additional tweaks Right now max caliber sustained DPS has 50% weight and sustained DPS is bigger for 74 compared to Bellona. Which means at close range max caliber 74 destroys max caliber bellona faster than bellona destroys 74. theoretical max caliber or used caliber? If theoretical thats wrong in my opinion. BR should be according to what is used. Would solve the issue that surprise and pfrig are same br even surprise has the 9pds. Edited February 16, 2018 by z4ys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odol Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Banished Privateer said: 1. Trinc has stronger pump, about same HP, and sails HP (slight difference), a bit higher speed, better turn rate, a bit better max weight. Thickness 1cm less. YUGE difference. 2. You say Endy has more firepower, but that's just on paper. Endymion loads 24s and 9s, while 9s will be useless against Trinc and 24s will load very long time. Trinc carries 18s and 9s. Trinc will have a higher DPS. 3. Trinc has higher yard power and tacks the wind better. If a Trinc gets on your stern, you will never get rid of it. 4 bow chasers will wreck you. 4. Trinc has a better broadside power with full load of carronades compared to Endymion. Do you have anything more to add? Plz stop crying. I use both Trincs and Endys and both ships are fine. Who puts the 9s on the weather deck? I know I dont.. I run carronades on the weather deck. Makes deck sweeps SOOO much more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Crowns Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, admin said: yes of course. thats probably why Wappen has the best PVP k/d on Caribbean, because its dps that exceeds 3rd rates does not matter. the reason why the wappen has the best k/d is not its DPS... its the turn rate.... and I would imagine that only veteran players play around with the wappen. the 6s on a wappen are useless but they have a high dps due to reload. maybe your idea is that its 2 decks of 24s on the wappen that give it the highest dps. I have never seen players use 24s on the wappen. the 24lb carro is the highest DPS gun in the game. but its almost useless due to penn values and range. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navalus Magnus Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, McKnight said: Ship BR Traders Lynx 10 Lynx 45 Cutter 50 Traders Cutter 50 Privateer 55 Pickle 60 Traders Brig 60 Brig 80 Prince de Neufchatel 90 Navy Brig 90 Mercury 90 Niagara 90 Traders Snow 95 Snow 100 Rattlesnake Heavy 100 Mortar Brig 100 Cerberus 150 Le Gros Ventre 160 Renommee 165 Surprise 180 Frigate 180 Pirate Frigate 180 Le Gros Ventre Refit 180 Indiaman 195 Belle Poule 200 Essex 200 L'Hermione 210 Endymion 235 Trincomalee 240 Indefatigable 245 Ingermanland 270 Wapen von Hamburg 285 Constitution 290 Wasa 290 Agamemnon 300 Bellona 350 3rd Rate 355 St. Pavel 385 Bucentaure 430 Victory 500 L'Ocean 570 Santisima 605 @admin Can you confirm, that these values are true? ... And if so, would you also admit that you had fun, throwing the dice to get these BRs ... while drinking a good bottle of wine!? Just think about the following: Bellona has a lower BR than a 3rd rate! Wasa has a lower BR than an Agamemnon! Are you serious? Edit: Have i missed something? Have you changed some ships accordingly, so that these BRs make sense? Edited February 16, 2018 by Navalus Magnus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Amplify of Key West Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 hours ago, admin said: Captains Final part of the sailing model and ship stats tuning have been deployed. Battle ratings for vessels have been updated based on their strength and close range sustained damage Sailing model and wind polars After testing and monitoring the usage of ships we have decided against exaggerated curves for vessels and have moved to fully historical sail composition. previously we buffed downwind or upwind performance to create differences, which caused some ships to become useless or less useful. All sails area have been recalculated based on their optimal and potential sail area, that could be achieved by the captain by trimming or adapting his sail plan, within constraints of ship mast lengths and yard lengths. As a result majority of underperforming vessels will now perform better and in general will have a much better sailing profile. Speeds have been updated for lighter vessels and majority of light vessels have received a speed buff. Ship with more spirit sails received more buff to frontal yard power. HMS Victory performance against the wind have been slightly increased. Wasa (Kronprins Gustav Adolf) hp increased and displacement recalculated Turn rates have been updated based on improved turning calculations model Buffs USS Constitution turn rate have been increased Nerf Trincomalee, Belle Poule, Renommee, Cerberus, Mercury, Snow turn rates have been slightly decreased. Other tunings Epic events ships chests contents have been improved (gold, silver and epic) Explosion damage have been updated based on the ship size and powder room contents (magazine size) Cannon loss (damage to cannons) increased in the following cases raking damage broadside damage (if broadside is heavily damaged) Cartagena Planking now gives 5cm thickness bonus and 2% mast thickness bonus. Bugs fixed: Rigging specialist inconsistent bonus to % of repairs fixed. UI work continues. We currently are working on the OW improvements (missions, battles and other entry windows). Discuss. where's my pood's cannon nerf lol or we just gonna keep using them as over powered guns that annihilate fleets? lol i thought they were gonna be changed "soon"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 @admin has this been thought fully through?? - Put carta on a heavy rattle and the armor thickness jumps to 61cm.. And why on earth have you used the DPM to calculate the BR? - the major difference between the ships are armor thickness, hp and manouverability/sailing profile - the first rates far outperforms the 2nd rates in these aspects and you've just skewed the ballance even further - especially with that stupid conquest competition that makes the stronger nations stronger every week and the smaller factions weaker EVERY WEEK.. And who believes the Agamemnon is better than a Wasa??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Please don't go the same way as Warthunder did, and adjust BRs based on statistics. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, admin said: yes of course. thats probably why Wappen has the best PVP k/d on Caribbean, because its dps that exceeds 3rd rates does not matter. That has nothing to do with DPS but everything to do with the wasas sailing profile and the fact that you can only get it for PvP marks which makes it only available for experienced PvP'ers.. EDIT: And where is the realism? - demasting is even easier than before! For an event that was rare and decisive in a naval engagement it happens at an alarming frequency in the game and is anything but realistic. Edited February 16, 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sella22 said: Please don't go the same way as Warthunder did, and adjust BRs based on statistics. I was happy for a BR change finally and then I saw the BR list and I couldn't help but laugh. The BR spread is so wonky and it's now smaller.....it should be larger. I believe the BR spread should go up to 800. This would allow better balancing. With a BR spread of up to 600 it's almost always going to be "I could bring X, but Y is better for only Z increase in BR." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bearwall said: EDIT: And where is the realism? - demasting is even easier than before! For an event that was rare and decisive in a naval engagement it happens at an alarming frequency in the game and is anything but realistic. it was not rare at all, in fact majority of battles ended up with full or partial demasts 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Navalus Magnus said: @admin Can you confirm, that these values are true? ... And if so, would you also admit that you had fun, throwing the dice to get these BRs ... while drinking a good bottle of wine!? please dont insinuate. BR is based on hp and sustained dps, formulas dont throw dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikard Frederiksen Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) @admin Any news on when the Rattlesnake is going to make its glorious re-entry into NA as a player(-crafted) ship? It is a crying shame that such a beautiful and lovely little full-rig ship, the only one we had from memory (compared to the other Brig & Snow-rigged 6th Rates), disappeared and has been absent for quite some time whilst we're left with the ahistorical 'Heavy' Rattlesnake? Liking the look of an updated UI. Please keep us posted! Edited February 16, 2018 by Rikard Frederiksen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navalus Magnus Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, admin said: please dont insinuate. BR is based on hp and sustained dps, formulas dont throw dice. No offense intended, sorry if it was too much! Just wanted to express something of my surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, admin said: it was not rare at all, in fact majority of battles ended up with full or partial demasts Those are fleet engagement with a shitload of more guns than those of the individual engagements.. EDIT: And the engagements mostly lasted longer than those we have in NA. Edited February 16, 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, rediii said: I would even use 1000 That is what I would wish but thought it would be "too drastic" for some. I would think with a BR spread of up to 1,000 would also lead us to ask for a BR limit change on ports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navalus Magnus Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 @admin Are the updated sailing profiles of all ships available anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bearwall said: Those are fleet engagement with a shitload of more guns than those of the individual engagements.. No Captain. Solo engagement had same % of demasting in sustained combat. But there is always a counter. You can fit your ship against similar opponents to never get fully demasted. You cant against much heavier ships. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Monkey Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabral Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, Batman said: He doesn't know because he always runs away in his Endymion. No need to turn then You must be refering that day Hachi was after me with 3 more guys (I bet you were one of them) SW of Carlisle. Sorry, but I don't fight gank parties, it's a matter of survival. You can ask Jorge, he knows me. But I'll fight you 1vs1 equal ships any day, I promisse I won't run. You and your clan of upstarts made many good players leave Britain and hate that nation to point of promisses to never go back, with your arrogance and elitism. This have nothing to do with the patch topic but you forced me to give an answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milkyway12 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Bring back Storms. The immersion was real. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, admin said: No Captain. Solo engagement had same % of demasting in sustained combat. But there is always a counter. You can fit your ship against similar opponents to never get fully demasted. You cant against much heavier ships. Paintings are not exactly the best source of reference since they were often made for dramatical purposes AND they were often painted exactly for their decisive nature.. Combat reports from RN or other navies are far more accurate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKnight Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Sir Texas Sir said: Can we get an official list and have ports BR ratings change. The list some one posted seems off This list is taken from the games database and should be correct (I only made an error on the LGV Refit). All the ships we have seen today is correct according to the list It can be found as spreadsheet here as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1znngzQBj6DHuYNHsYeh-Mw9fzHVYV6AlqzSjLaKOfAU/edit#gid=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, Cabral said: (...) I would like to answer, but I'm to elitest to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said: How accurate are the paintings to present the historical accuracy? Did painters participate in these battles and sail on those ships during combat? Google Nicholas Pockock and open images. This guy was on the Combat ship during Glorious First of June. There was another painted with a very complex french name. he was also a combat photographer painter. He also is famous for his after Trafalgar battle damage album Ship that took raking damage (that we like to link and talk about when people ask us why we dont have huge holes in hull like in Total war). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 Regarding BR The formula needs some minor tweaks to incorporate Spike damage, and dps at 500m. That will make it perfect and will fix some strange differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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