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For the Challenge #2  (a three-masted ship with an armament on gun deck : 12 x 4-pdr, 12 x 6-pdr, 14 x 6-pdr, 16 x 6-pdr, 18 x 6-pdr, 20 x 6-pdr or 22 x 6-pdr. No armed QD/fc) :

La Panthère

(HMS Amazon after capture)

French 6-pdr light Frigate

20 guns

1744

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Historical armament : 20 x 6-pdr

Suggestion for in-game armament : 20 x 6-pdr (60 pds)

Information :

 

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For the Challenge #2 (ship sloops) :

La Palme

(translation : 'The palm Leaf' or 'The Laurels')

French 4-pdr Corvette

12 guns

1744

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Armament (historical and in-game suggestion) : 12 x 4-pdr

Broadside weight = 24 pds (= Lynx

See info :

 

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For the Challenge 2 (ship sloops), two French corvettes carrying 18 x 6-pdr (bw = 54 pds) :

Le Chevert

Privateer

18 x 6-pdr

1759

renamed HMS Pomona after capture

(François Chevert was a general in Louis XV's army)


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http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84013.html
http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=5861

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A typical French Corvette

of the American War of Independence

Contribution by @Surcouf

18 x 6-pdr

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L'Heureuse Harmonie

Contribution by @Surcouf

18 x 6-pdr

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For the Challenge 2 (ship sloops), two French corvettes carrying 20 x 6-pdr (bw = 60 pds) :

Proposal for a French Corvette

1782

20 x 6-pdr

Dimensions (pieds du Roi)

  • Length from rabbet of stern to rabbet of sternpost at the load waterline : 112'
  • Breadth overall to outside of frame : 28'
  • Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 14' 3"

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Source : Boudriot, Historique de la Corvette, p. 24-25

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5 minutes ago, Sella22 said:

Ostrich

Historical / in-game armament : 14 or 16 (even 18 ?) x 4-pdr (28 / 32 / 36? pds) --> Challenge 1, gap 1

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An interesting point about her (from NA point of view) is that she seems to have been bought by the Royal Navy in Jamaica (according to 3decks). 

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46 minutes ago, BungeeLemming said:

looks like a trader to me, Sella22

converted?

 

If i recall correctly yes, she is a converted trader.

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Really wonderful lines on that 1782 6pdr armed proposal! she looks very much like the Pomone/Endymion, and indeed the top signature could be Charles-Etienne Bombelle's. I also see what looks to read Latouche-Treville?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-René_Levassor_de_Latouche_Tréville   He did command the Rochefort Navy yard after the American War of Independence, so it seems somewhat plausible.  Could she be the Perdrix, launched at Rochefort in 1784? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_corvette_Perdrix_(1784) or is this plan definitely just a proposal?

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5 hours ago, Captain Armstrong said:

Really wonderful lines on that 1782 6pdr armed proposal! she looks very much like the Pomone/Endymion, and indeed the top signature could be Charles-Etienne Bombelle's. I also see what looks to read Latouche-Treville?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-René_Levassor_de_Latouche_Tréville   He did command the Rochefort Navy yard after the American War of Independence, so it seems somewhat plausible.  Could she be the Perdrix, launched at Rochefort in 1784? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_corvette_Perdrix_(1784) or is this plan definitely just a proposal?

 

On 22/10/2017 at 2:03 PM, LeBoiteux said:

For the Challenge 2 (ship sloops), two French corvettes carrying 20 x 6-pdr (bw = 60 pds) :

Proposal for a French Corvette

1782

20 x 6-pdr

This plan simply entitled 'Plan of a corvette carrying 20 x 6-pdr' was made by Bombelle in 1782 (certainly with Segondat-Duvernet's help), just before four of his Corvettes that carried 20 x 6-pdr were launched : La Fauvette, La Perdrix, La Favorite, L'Alouette (1783-1785). They share the same dimensions. But the plans of these corvettes haven't been kept (if I ain't mistaken).

So the only link between these corvettes and the proposal is that they have been made by the same 'builder' at the same time with the same dimensions.

At least, it shows us Bombell's way of imagining Corvettes carrying 20 x 6-pdr. The decoration is very pared-down to say the least.

Speaking of American War of independence, this drawing, although generic and modern, is pure gold ;)

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The waterlines of the corvette by Bombelle ... :wub:  They´re pretty similiar to the lines favoured by Pestel, Forfait, Caro and Le Tellier later on. Then again, you find those in danish corvette projects in the 1750s and 1760s. Makes you wonder if and how they were influenced by each other.

And the signatures on the document are the who´s who of french shipbuilding at Rochfort, Bombelle, Segondat, Chevillard and of course Latouche-Tréville.

By the way, she definitely looks like the Perdrix:  http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83408.html

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Summing up of the proposals

Challenge 1 : fill in the gaps

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Challenge 2 : ship sloops

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Challenge 3 : too small but...

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Challenge 4 : the Challengers

Plans of brigs, snows or fore-and-aft rigged ships that could challenge those currently implemented, 

ie carrying the same armament : 8 x 6-pdr, 12 x 4-pdr, 12 x 6-pdr, 16 x 6-pdr, 18 x 6-pdr, 20 x 6-pdr or 22 x 6-pdr.

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