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2 minutes ago, Liq said:

SORRY never lost a port battle

Was my experience, there we go HAVOC is the Bradman of NA Port Battles. 

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two screens from the 28th december. i guess because of ppl like this, that dont understand the difference between RvR and OW hunting the brits are loosing ports now ;)

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these two in the last fight where the spearhead of their revange fleet btw, the two ships of that fleet fast enough to sail so far away from their heavy support that i could engage them without said support ;)

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Lots of trader's sail without escort and argue that they shouldn't be sunk...or that it's unfair to sink them.  It's not a nation thing, as it happens everywhere.

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1 minute ago, Angus MacDuff said:

Lots of trader's sail without escort and argue that they shouldn't be sunk...or that it's unfair to sink them.  It's not a nation thing, as it happens everywhere.

they just pretend to be harmless traders, but actually, they are moving resources with intention of building a ship to use against you!

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As already said earlier, you cant ruin their trade (really, going after their traders and calling it pvp.. wow edgy) and then expect them to throw ships for you. He literally says that in the chat. While ow agreements generally are not made and are not enforceable, it is up to the factions involved to try to be logical about it. in times of conflict, you may want to steer clear of their trade... surely traders will burn but if it happens all the time you get this.

 

you speak of russia being a bully but in reality sweden is way bigger one. i am starting to feel like russia is needed to counter swedens domination dreams........... at least they dont nation hop every month.

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1 minute ago, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

As already said earlier, you cant ruin their trade (really, going after their traders and calling it pvp.. wow edgy) and then expect them to throw ships for you

The problem is that some of them believe they have an agreement with an entire nation, when in fact they have an agreement with a clan.  Plus, it has always been widely understood that RVR and OW PVP are separate.  The only expectation you can have from an RVR agreement is that the other side will also assist in RVR.  Really, once you are a reasonable distance from the PB, all relationships must end.

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Let me flip this argument back. Why would i show to their PB/event if i know they will just turn around and sink me because its just OW?  Turning on the people who came to help you because the game lets you is just bad tact. 

Now you will say because the PB itself is what matters. well... yes. but it's tough to have pbs when your helpers at said battle sink your ships repeatedly. We are people and game itself aside, it is just not a nice feeling. The side the does the sinking ofc considers it normal... because they lose nothing. That's not a relationship. that's literally piracy/exploitation. And we have a pirate faction already. 

I have no love for gb and am happy they are getting a deserve dose of smacking, but im equally tired of "sweden" running around the whole game throwing tantrums and threatening literally *every* faction with violence. and whenever it becomes and issue, the excuses of "oh we arent as big as russia so we are no threat" start pouring in. followed by the butthurt "we just declared war on you but you should totally go fight russia for us! btw, we are taking your ports nonetheless."

Only the blind cannot see this at this point. i cannot defend or excuse hypocrisy. the forger dlc was the worst thing for this game ever envisioned. prove me wrong on that

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4 minutes ago, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

Why would i show to their PB/event if i know they will just turn around and sink me because its just OW?  Turning on the people who came to help you because the game lets you is just bad tact.

I've been on plenty of screening fleets when we are told to "not attack the Swedes...they're on our side today".  That's how it's done.  We all know when a foreign fleet is coming to assist. 

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2 minutes ago, Angus MacDuff said:

I've been on plenty of screening fleets when we are told to "not attack the Swedes...they're on our side today".  That's how it's done.  We all know when a foreign fleet is coming to assist. 

Yes yes. and then the swedes 5 minute later start tagging you. yes, you should have mentioned that part too. might be why nobody really invites them anymore.... well maybe except the dutch because they dont really play so i suppose there is nobody to sink there

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12 minutes ago, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

Let me flip this argument back. Why would i show to their PB/event if i know they will just turn around and sink me because its just OW?  Turning on the people who came to help you because the game lets you is just bad tact. 

Now you will say because the PB itself is what matters. well... yes. but it's tough to have pbs when your helpers at said battle sink your ships repeatedly. We are people and game itself aside, it is just not a nice feeling. The side the does the sinking ofc considers it normal... because they lose nothing. That's not a relationship. that's literally piracy/exploitation. And we have a pirate faction already. 

I have no love for gb and am happy they are getting a deserve dose of smacking, but im equally tired of "sweden" running around the whole game throwing tantrums and threatening literally *every* faction with violence. and whenever it becomes and issue, the excuses of "oh we arent as big as russia so we are no threat" start pouring in. followed by the butthurt "we just declared war on you but you should totally go fight russia for us! btw, we are taking your ports nonetheless."

Only the blind cannot see this at this point. i cannot defend or excuse hypocrisy. the forger dlc was the worst thing for this game ever envisioned. prove me wrong on that

The french for one would probably disagree.

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What french? You grind down a nation until people leave it and it becomes completely powerless and totally dependent on you for anything. French, now dutch, tomorrow you do the same to GB. who next?  ah denmark perhaps? i think you just declared war on them or something. i can't even keep up. Listen its fine. I get it you are a group of people who can dominate most battles in the game. just stop pretending you arent a bully.

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4 minutes ago, Tac said:

The french for one would probably disagree.

The French went Russia because Sweden kept ganking them in pbs and infront of Fort Royal, so I dont know for sure if they would really disagree

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10 minutes ago, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

What french? You grind down a nation until people leave it and it becomes completely powerless and totally dependent on you for anything. French, now dutch, tomorrow you do the same to GB. who next?  ah denmark perhaps? i think you just declared war on them or something. i can't even keep up. Listen its fine. I get it you are a group of people who can dominate most battles in the game. just stop pretending you arent a bully.

Wait,how far back in NA are we talking about now? 2 years ? who ground the dutch down? im confused?

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36 minutes ago, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

the forger dlc was the worst thing for this game ever envisioned. prove me wrong on that

fishing is worse
they should delete fish, salt, and sealed bottles

the positive aspects of the game will stay this way, but it would reduce the amount of clicks you have to perform by about 90% or so!

19 minutes ago, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

What french? You grind down a nation until people leave it and it becomes completely powerless and totally dependent on you for anything. French, now dutch, tomorrow you do the same to GB. who next?  ah denmark perhaps? i think you just declared war on them or something. i can't even keep up. Listen its fine. I get it you are a group of people who can dominate most battles in the game. just stop pretending you arent a bully.


as you can see, they are clearly in conspiracy with russia, with plans of dominating the world!

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50 minutes ago, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

going after their traders and calling it pvp

clever trades dont have to fear a single trinc. those that sink are those that sail without escort as mentioned here befor :)

i attacked gregorys 4x indiaman once and had a very hard time with my trinc because instead of chatting why i should let him go, you wont believe it: he actually fought back 😮

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4 minutes ago, Durin said:

clever trades dont have to fear a single trinc. those that sink are those that sail without escort as mentioned here befor :)

i attacked gregorys 4x indiaman once and had a very hard time with my trinc because instead of chatting why i should let him go, you wont believe it: he actually fought back 😮

That's a nice story. But what is the point of it? That we should all sail 1x ocean 1x endymion 1x indiaman so we are "smart traders". Thats what i got out of your post

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23 minutes ago, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

But what is the point of it

perhaps that if you sail an indiaman without escort through the passage between cuba and haiti, you should not be surprised if you get sunk ;D

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45 minutes ago, Durin said:

clever trades dont have to fear a single trinc. those that sink are those that sail without escort as mentioned here befor :)

i attacked gregorys 4x indiaman once and had a very hard time with my trinc because instead of chatting why i should let him go, you wont believe it: he actually fought back 😮

4 fir/fir indiamans (1 Player and 3 AI) have no chance to win against a trinco. Best they can reach is 3 or even 4 of them escape.

 

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1 hour ago, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

What french? You grind down a nation until people leave it and it becomes completely powerless and totally dependent on you for anything. French, now dutch, tomorrow you do the same to GB. who next?  ah denmark perhaps? i think you just declared war on them or something. i can't even keep up. Listen its fine. I get it you are a group of people who can dominate most battles in the game. just stop pretending you arent a bully.

Dk isen’t next. Sweden have allready forced Dk-NG to surrender.

A small group of restiance is only dk have left.

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26 minutes ago, Durin said:

perhaps that if you sail an indiaman without escort through the passage between cuba and haiti, you should not be surprised if you get sunk ;D

But what game mechanic is there that allows you to sail with an escort, when you cannot get into an enemy port with a warship in fleet?

 

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2 minutes ago, Archaos said:

But what game mechanic is there that allows you to sail with an escort, when you cannot get into an enemy port with a warship in fleet?

indiaman fleets on trade runs to enemy ports regularly make millions of profit in a single trip. im sure frigate captains from your own nation would gladly provide you with an escort if you where willing to share a small amount of that profit as their wage. that game mechanic is called a "group"

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