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it is up to the players to be active in pvp and rvr. it is unfortunate but the game cannot force people into this.

People join pvp server, but all they really want is pve. blame yourself.

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16 minutes ago, RKY said:

it is up to the players to be active in pvp and rvr. it is unfortunate but the game cannot force people into this.

People join pvp server, but all they really want is pve. blame yourself.

That's not true.

I'd love to have port battles. Others do as well.You just can't though because of the scale of it at the moment.

This is not a job, I'm not going to spend hours of my life convincing other clans that we should do something.

Smaller PB's = More content

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1 hour ago, Przemo said:

So...

We are few weeks after release and rvr is close to dead.

You are right. The two second big nations are not willing to show up in RVR. Small nations get screened out if the enemy is Russia or allied with Russia. But this is not the Problem of Russia. The problem exist because of the lazy buggers in the big nations, who speak about PVP but do PVE.

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On 8/17/2019 at 1:37 AM, Gregory Rainsborough said:

 

I'm happy just raiding. A lot of folks need that end game content to keep them interested though.

It's not just about the endgame content. RvR is a chance to socialise as well. Sure, you can raid in a group but that usually ends up with 6 or 7 of you sharing a single trade snow between you and then sailing home. Unless you are one of those groups that is interested in sitting outside a capital for hours while they come at you one at a time

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7 minutes ago, Gregory Rainsborough said:

That's not true.

I'd love to have port battles. Others do as well.You just can't though because of the scale of it at the moment.

This is not a job, I'm not going to spend hours of my life convincing other clans that we should do something.

Smaller PB's = More content

 

most nations have no issues gathering 25 players and ship (even spain made it in remedios). flipping ports is extremely fast at the moment.

reality has it, most players in pvp server prefer to pve. Some may wonder what the vast majority of players on pvp server is doing there.

Big battles are fun, much more than those 2K br deep water we had.

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4 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

You dont need a 20-25k BR to have big battles with lineships.

changes nothing. lower br wont make players engage in rvr. again the issue is not the game, but the players. looking at leaderboards simply confirms it. it's a pve server disguised in a pvp one.

procrastinate as much as you desire blaming one mechanic or the other. there was not more port battles on low br.

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14 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Whatever you say mate.

However it is a fact that lower BR makes port battles more accesible to everyone.

Right now, you must be viceadmiral and have a santi/ocean. And that requires a considerable amount of time/grind.

Let's not forget the mixed fleets were infinitely more fun than 50 L'Oceans in a battle

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3 hours ago, Przemo said:

So...

We are few weeks after release and rvr is close to dead.

Let's face it - it is one of the supreme ironies that untested major changes were made to the game right before "release".  For all practical purposes the game is still in Beta.

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58 minutes ago, RKY said:

changes nothing. lower br wont make players engage in rvr. again the issue is not the game, but the players. looking at leaderboards simply confirms it. it's a pve server disguised in a pvp one.

procrastinate as much as you desire blaming one mechanic or the other. there was not more port battles on low br.

 

 The thing is the ones willing to grind crazy hours, and create econ with their multiple alts to build ships are ready for RvR.

 The rest of the in game pop are not ready, and so only people up for RvR are the former atm.

 No blame meant in any way, it's just for a lot of people there is more to life than just Naval Action (especially so in summer) :) .

 

 

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The most active time period of RVR in the game was probably during the fine woods/alliance period right before the wipe and server split.  25 on 25 1st rate battles happened multiple times daily.  With a population significantly lower than our current one.  

Major changes since then?

No alliance system, significantly higher cost of crafting ships, 3 more nations, absurd repair/mod meta, PVP rewards.  

All of the above have contributed to the decline of this game and RVR in particular.   The days of stamping out 10 Oceans for a PB the next day and easily filling it with 50 players outside screening simply don’t exist   Why they were changed, I have no idea.  The focus of NA seems to have shifted towards more of a warships style sink everything arcade with horrible ROE and high level content created by devs that don’t understand what the concept is.

I miss the Castries battles with 50 1st rates inside and 200 screeners outside with both sides trying to stop each other.  Somehow with cheap ships and no timers we had 10x as many battles as we currently do despite all these “great” changes.  Changes requested by many in this thread.

The high BR PBs isn’t really the issue.  It’s the fact that filling those battles is now a chore and only done by those clans dedicated enough to do so.  The lower BR fights helped with the current system, but bringing those back would be a bandaid on a wound that needs stitches.  

 

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To add to your list of major changes you should add the Port upgrades, I believe Russia hasn't attacked GB's Belize and Truxillo because they believe GB will quit if they lose them.

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So I realize with the huge number of Russians, it must be difficult to find housing in all of your current ports, but is the last Pirate crafting port really necessary?

But alas... I guess I should try to be helpful:

Baracoa Travel Guide

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4 minutes ago, Wraith said:

True pyrates only need privateers and captured ships anyway right?  [ ]D  Rum to @Pagan Pete, as I'm sure the real BLACK don't mind. ;) 

You may be right. We may find out.

We may also see either a mass exodus from Pirate nation or from the game completely. I don’t blame [BF] and the Russians. They’re just aggressively playing the game. But the whole port bonus thing as currently implemented is a mistake for the game’s health.

[WTF] is strong so hopefully they can prevail. North American timezone players like myself can only hope.

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WTF has been up at New Orleans basically for weeks now sinking exclusively BF in the area.  While I’m all for OW PvP, at some point BF was bound to get fed up with it.  Especially considering the last time Baracoa was flipped it was BF who screened it out and thus helping WTF keep the port.  
 

The right or wrong of the flip is up for debate but you can’t fault the guys if you keep poking them with a stick.

 

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could always, dare I say it, negotiate with a nation 😨.

some people take this "forever war" to close to heart. 

Pirates could unite together to attempt to create a relationship with another power - or focus on a different part of the map. I'll be the first to admit though that the uphill battle to get that to work is nearly impossible and at least for Sweden, it didn't work out in creating a pact/agreement with France because a few folks always said "no."

But for Poland it seems to have worked twice, both when they negotiated with France, and apparently with the Dutch too.

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is pirate nation at war with GB?

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12 hours ago, Staunberg said:

Proberbly won’t get easier in the future for Sweden either. As I got it, Dk-NG and Sweden had an non attack agrement, that ofc was until Sweden decided they wanted to attack Spanish Town.

Oh boy was there some danes, that got upset. Nice move though. Helped getting the danes to realize, we all needed each other, if we wanted to be able to defend the port.

Ps. Think some danes still are a bit upset.

Wasn't my decision to attack, In either case.

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that the Russians have become a steamroller is one thing.  but that small nations can not cooperate or even worse, that they fight each other is pathetic

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1 hour ago, Lars Kjær said:

Still hard to do a deal when Sweden has proven that they aren't the most trustworthy partners... But I reckon a response will be forthcoming in the future.

I mean, I can't disagree there. ah well as the EU guys put it, I'm just part of that darn US night time bunch :P

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15 hours ago, Lars Kjær said:

I honestly don't care.. it's not up to the players to balance out shitty mechanics.. get the fun you can and hello kitty the rest. Gamepop is declining anyway so why bother about the russians?

In every chat you write the game pop is declining, the game is dead.... Every day´s doomsday. Could you please stop that? To me it seems to be the most active NA of the past two years! Cheers.

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1 hour ago, Staunberg said:

So you say he should not write what be belive is true?

To me it seams the Numbers haven’t been lower since the game got released. Guess it is all abouth what story you want to tell. 

But keep telling the game is going great, if thats what you belive, but do think you should show enough respect for others, to express another view, than yours.

Actually it was admin saying he´s pretty satisfied with the player numbers we have right now. I´d wish them a bit higher, see several things to be improved or adjusted, but do not see the game dying every week for years now. That´s all I mention to this matter not wanting to be disrespectful against other players.

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