George Washington Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 29 minutes ago, LeBoiteux said: @George Washington Thx for your posts. I really need : the historical armament (caliber) with each plans ships that really meet OP specs. ships that have not already been posted in the thread (La Malicieuse, Christiansborg). Ok, I got few book websites I will try to inspect and see what I can share. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) @Fluffy Fishy 1) So 1 venetian lb = 0.3 kg indeed and not 0,488 kg. I learned something. Thx ! 2) Summing up : It seems to me that the Constanza 2 and the Pallade could make nice light frigates while the 2 others, heavier, might have their place between HMS Surprise and 12-pdr La Belle Poule (198 pdr) or even heavier ships (see the Palma with a Venetian armament). As a reminder, La Renommée and HMS Surprise are two 9-pdrs. It's easier to put in between 9-pders. Constanza 2 class (no plan for now) : Venetian armament : 20 x 12-pdr + 8 x 9-pdr (too heavy : 156 pdr) in-game suggestion (max) : 20 x 12-pdr + 6 x 9-pdr (147 pdr) Cerere class : Venetian : armament : 24 x 12-pdr + 8 x 9-pdr (too heavy : 180 pdr) French armament : 22 x 12-pdr + 4 x 6-pdr + 6 x 12-pdr (too heavy : 180 pdr) Pallade class : Venetian armament : 24 x 12-pdr (144 pdr) French armament : 20 x 12-pdr (too light : 120 pdr) in-game suggestion : 24 x 12-pdr (144 pdr) Palma class (no plan for now) : Venetian armament : 26 x 12-pdr + 12 x 9-pdr (too heavy : 210 pdr) French armament : 26 x 9-pdr + 12 x 9-pdr (too heavy : 171 pdr) Edited October 10, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Updated summing up of the proposals so far (by order of appearance in this thread) : Four in-game gun combinaisons for Light frigates have emerged to date : 1) 9-pdr frigates (32 guns) : La Malicieuse, L'Unité, La Comète, L'Alcmène, Eendragt, Sirene 24 x 9-pdr + 8 x 6-pd (bw = 132 pdr) 26 x 9-pdr + 6 x 6-pdr (135 pdr) (more guns can be added on the QD/fc as long as bw <150 pdr) 2) 12-pdr frigates (22/24 guns) : Lynx-class, Christiansborg, Triton, Pallade 20 x 12-pdr + 2/4 x 12-pdr (C) (132/144 pdr) 24 x 12-pdr (144 pdr) Edited October 11, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) La Licorne French 9-pdr frigate 32 guns 1755 Built by P. Geffroy at Brest, captured by the British in 1778 and renamed HMS Licorne. Dimensions (pieds du Roi) : 120'6" x 31'10" x 16'6" Armament : French service : 26 x 8-pdr + 6 x 4-pdr British service : 26 x 9-pdr + 6 x 6-pdr (broadside weight = 135 pdr) Source : Boudriot, History of th French Frigate, p. 88 https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=5095 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections.html#!csearch;authority=subject-90352;collectionReference=subject-90352;innerSearchTerm=licorne Figurehead (detail) The figurehead seems to have been quite nice ! Decoration proposal by CP Caffieri (Brest, 9 May 1755) Archives of the French Navy, D1 68, f° 4, cl. 7292 Thx Malachi ! Edited October 11, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) I still haven't found any Spanish, Portuguese or British Light frigates meeting OP specs. Everything is way too heavy (heavy 12-pders, 18-pders....) !! Russian and other nations would be welcome too... 9-pders as a priority (or 'light' 12-pders) The middle of the 18th-century is a good start for researching (or later for 12-pders). Edited October 11, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) uh...La Licorne, I think that´s the only french frigate we have a decent plan how she looked like before and after a major refit in french service. That´s her decoration proposal by CP Caffieri when she was built in Brest in 1753. Edit: Here´s another 12-pounder frigate, this time from Sweden. Af Trolle/Enigheten and her sister ship Sprengtporten. Launched in the mid-1760s. Interestingly, its pretty much the same plan as for the venetian Pallade/Venere Edited April 5, 2019 by Malachi 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Malachi said: uh...La Licorne, I think that´s the only french frigate we have a decent plan how she looked like before and after a major refit in french service. So there's a French plan of her in the French Archives ? I didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Malachi said: Interestingly, its pretty much the same plan as for the venetian Pallade/Venere Even the figureheads look similar : Edited October 11, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Yup, they didn´t change much. The only differences are the dimensions and the round bow instead of the beakhead bulkhead. Another possible entry from sweden: af Chapman´s proposal for a 9-pounder privateer. 125 feet, 24 9-pounders 8 4-pounders. And a british frigate, the Tartar of 1755. She carried lots of different setups in her long carreer, that´s what she had in 1780: 24 9-Pounders, 12 1/2-Pound Swivel, 6 18-Pound Carronades, 4 6-Pounders Edited April 5, 2019 by Malachi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 Thx @Malachi for this high-speed burst top-notch contribution !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 Updated summing up of the 14 proposals (by order of appearance in this thread) : In-game gun combinaisons for Light frigates (so far) : 1) 9-pdr frigates (32/34/36 guns) : La Malicieuse, L'Unité, La Comète, L'Alcmène, Eendragt, Sirene, La Licorne, af Chapman's Privateer, HMS Tartar 24 x 9-pdr + 8/10/12 x 6-pd (bw = 132/138/144 pdr) 26 x 9-pdr + 6 x 6-pdr (135 pdr) (more guns can be added on the QD/fc as long as bw <150 pdr) 2) 12-pdr frigates (22/24 guns) : Lynx-class, Christiansborg, Triton, Pallade, Enigheten 20 x 12-pdr + 2/4 x 12-pdr (C) (132/144 pdr) 24 x 12-pdr (144 pdr) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Trying to find gun info on these 2. HMS Lizard was a 24-gun sixth rate launched in 1697 HMS Conflagration 1793 Edited October 11, 2017 by George Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Quote Thx @Malachi for this high-speed burst top-notch contribution !!! I aim to please Quote Trying to find gun info on these 2. Conflagration was one of the 9 ships of the fireship Tisiphone-class, based on the lines of french La Panthére . One of these ships, the Comet, has a thread in the Unrated-Vessels subforum, I think. Small correction: it was built in 1783, not 1793. Both the Lizard and Tisiphone are true light frigates (frégates légères/corvettes/sloops) as they carried 6-pounders on their upper deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Malachi said: Both the Lizard and Tisiphone are true light frigates (frégates légères/corvettes/sloops) as they carried 6-pounders on their upper deck. The true and nicest type IRL and in game, IMHO. As to the in-game 'light frigates' (those of this thread), I think we are quite done with a nice set of 14 frigates (see table above), compared to the size of the gap between La Renommée and HMS Surprise. Thx to all the contributors : @Sella22 @SteelSandwich @Fluffy Fishy @Malachi @akd. Hoping it might help in a next poll or during a future development phase. Light frigates deserve some love in game. 4 hours ago, Malachi said: Conflagration was one of the 9 ships of the fireship Tisiphone-class, based on the lines of french La Panthére . La Panthère... Sigh... Edited October 11, 2017 by LeBoiteux 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) posted there : Edited October 16, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) L'Heureuse 22-gun French 12-pdr Corvette Privateer, then HMS Heureux 1799 as a French privateer : 22 x (?) British service : 22 x 12-pdr (1799) 20 x 32-pdr (C) + 2 x 9-pdr (1800) Suggestion for in-game armament : 22 x 12-pdr (132 pdr) Historical background : Revolutionary France's programme in 1793 to build heavy Corvettes (24 x 12-pdr) achieved by Forfait. Dimensions (imperial feet) : length of gundeck = 127'6" ; breadth = 33' 0" ; depth in hold = 15'1" Notice the V-shaped hull. Sources : @Sella22 : http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/7682-french-corvettes-collection-6th-rates-with-plans/?do=findComment&comment=232095 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83572.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83574.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83573.html http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=21988 Edited October 16, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) posted there : Edited October 17, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 4 hours ago, LeBoiteux said: Raae Danish 9-pdr frigate 30 guns 1709-1751 Historical armament : 30 x 8-pdr (120 pdr) : https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=18230 Suggestion for in-game armament : 30 x 9-pdr (135 pdr) Love this ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Updated summing up of the proposals (by order of appearance in this thread) : Edited October 17, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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