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Captains. We need to fill 3 gaps in the ship line up. Please propose ships for the consideration.  Requirements in broadside guns Light frigates 32-36 guns (we have no ships in this rang

For Dutch, The Vrijheid 74 gun   The 7 Provinciën 74 gun Prins Friso 50 gun The Leeuwenhorst/Edam 56 gun   slighty lower gun count but unkown 30 gun  

Le Redoutable, the ship that fought the HMS Victory at Trafalgar and almost boarded it, also the ship that "killed" Nelson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Redoutable_(1791) More than 100

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Just in case the rule clarification kills off my original post suggestions in this thread the ship I most want to see created for the game, in case anyone hasn't got the message yet (which is fairly unlikely). my suggestion is Fama, she has everything you need to model her, would fit in fantastically in the game, offering something that while she is significantly more gunned than Constitution, Fama's small frame (if I understand it right how the devs calculate toughness) makes her quite a bit more vulnerable, especially to crew loss due to so many men being packed so closely together.

The main advantage of Fama is that she has huge high quality plans available in Das Erbe der Serenissima.
 

However, If my original post still stands I would love to see the possibility of La Harpe and Muiron make it in too although given the choice I would much prefer to see a true Venetian ship, completed by the Venetians, not a ship completed during the occupations.

I was also hoping to get something proper done for the Palma class, sadly I haven't found any plans for her yet.

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On 06/09/2017 at 6:58 AM, Sella22 said:

Nau Principe da Beira

Portuguese 44(?) or 54(?) guns

1774

 

 

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About the guns,sources say that she mounted 44 guns but i counted at least 52.

Not to be mistaked with the Princesa da Beira: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=7891

Sources: http://triganices.blogspot.gr/2012/01/nau-princepe-da-beira.html

http://marinhadeguerraportuguesa.blogspot.gr/2013_10_01_archive.html

http://museu.marinha.pt/pt/exposicoes/exposicaopermanente/SeculoXVIII/Paginas/default.aspx

http://3decks.pbworks.com/f/Catalogo+dos+navios+brigantinos+%281640-1910%29+-+Esparteiro.pdf

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Since the devs want us to choose. My vote goes to "Nau Principe da Beira"

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In order to get this vessel credit: (I posted her earlier but in a collection)

A dutch 32 gun frigate, armed with 12 pound cannons and a few 36s carronades on her quarterdecks:

The Euridice:

 

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San Giovanni/Athenienne/Athenian

("St. John")

Maltese 64/70-gun 3rd Rate, 1796

 

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Captured by the French at the surrender of Malta (1798) and renamed Athénien or L'Athénienne.

Renamed HMS Athenian by the British in 1801.

Wrecked in 1806..

 

Dimensions & tons: 163'3", 132' x 44'9" x 19'8". 1411 89/94.

Men : 491.

Guns : GD 26 x 20, UD 26 x 18, QD 2 x 9 + 8 x 24 * [carronades], FC 2 x 9 + 4 x 24* [carronades].

 

 

 

 

On 13/11/2015 at 5:13 PM, Wagram said:

Athenian, ex-Athénien, ex-San Giovanni, 64, launched 1798 or 1799, as taken, NMM (1).jpeg
 

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Le plan ("taken off") du vaisseau HMS Athenian, ex-Athénien (selon Demerliac) ou L'Athénienne (selon Lyon) français, ex-Saint Jean ou San Giovanni maltais (Lyon, Sailing Navy Ship List, p.240)

 
Commentaire de Lyon:
Athenian 1800-1806 (French L'Athénienne taken 1798 from the Knights of St. John at Malta as Saint Jean/San Giovanni [70] building 1796. Malta) 64.
Dimensions & tons: 163'3", 132' x 44'9" x 19'8". 1411 89/94.
Men: 491. Guns: GD 26 x 20, UD 26 x 18, QD 2 x 9 + 8 x 24 * [carronades], FC 2 x 9 + 4 x 24* [carronades]. Taken at the surrender of Malta; 27.10.1806 wrecked off Sicily.
 
L'armement paraît être celui des Anglais. Selon Demerliac, Nomenclature 1792-1800, p.64, N°338, le vaisseau fut pris sur cale et lancé en décembre 1799 seulement: port: 1200 tx, déplacement en charge: environ 2300 tx. Longueur: 156 (quille: 140) x 42 x 20'2" et 19'6"/20'6". Off. + 600 hommes. Armement 64/70 canons: 26 xx, 26/28 xii?, 12/16 petit calibre

 

 

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Athenienne

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=15025

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=2211

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=3179

 

 

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81333.html(Needs enquiring about the availability)

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections.html#!csearch;authority=vessel-293373;browseBy=vessel;vesselFacetLetter=A

 

Credits to LeBoiteux and Wagram!

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28 minutes ago, admin said:

I wonder why you did not pick wilhelmina? 

She was suggested at the begining of this thread, in his long list. But she carries 54 guns and is a double-decker. Are double deckers accepted in the poll at that gun range(50-60)? I'm not sure if you can call them heavy frigates since those are the ones you are looking for. The ones i have proposed at that gun range who are double deckers as well, were proposed only because are from the preffered nations.Same with the Dutch ships suggested from other people i suppose.

Anyway there she is

On 30/8/2017 at 5:51 PM, pietjenoob said:

Prinses Frederika Louisa Wilhelmina, 54 guns, 1779,  http://i.imgur.com/BD8veqw.jpg

Prinses Frederika Louise Wilhelmina, 36 guns, 1789, http://i.imgur.com/gPn8FDf.png

 

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La Comète

French 9-pdr light frigate

1752

30+ guns

Designed by Joseph-Louis Ollivier

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Ship model and drawings from: http://modelisme.arsenal.free.fr/jacquesmailliere/La%20Comete/index.html

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Dimensions (pied du Roi):

Lenght: 118' 0''

Breadth: 31' 8''

Depth in hold: 16' 0''

Armament :

Gundeck: 26 x 8 French pdr

Quarterdeck: 4 x 4 French pdr 

 

Crew: 209, 200 crew and 9 officers

 

Sources :

Jean Boudriot, The History of the French Frigate 1650-1850, p. 88

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=7574

 

Ornament plans 

Available in French Archives(Number 502): http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/MV_PLANS-BATIMENTS-A-VOILES.compressed.pdf

 

From Sella22, Thx : http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/15863-la-comète-french-frigate-1752-with-plans/

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2 hours ago, admin said:

I wonder why you did not pick wilhelmina? 

U mean the 54 gun ship, then she too can be a very nice addition to the game since she then will be the first 'low gun' two decker ingame but the main reason why i didn't want to do the whole list so i picked a few, and why the Admiraal de Ruyter, the name says it all even to this day he is considered one of the best if not the best Admiral in the world to this day. In the navalbase of Den Helder there is a statue of him and foreign ships lay down a bunch of flowers or whatsorts to honor him.

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I propose the Texas Navy Sloop-of-War Austin:

 

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The Austin was a 600 ton ship-rigged sloop in the Second Texas Navy that is most famously remembered for being immortalized on the cylinder of the 1851 Colt Navy revolver. The scene engraved on the Colt depicts the 1843 Naval Battle of Campeche Bay, between the Mexican Navy and the Republic of Texas and Republic of Yucatan naval forces. This battle is notable as the only time an all-sail-powered force defeated an enemy with steam powered vessels.

She carried a crew of 23 officers and warrant officers, 151 sailors and marines and was armed with 16 medium 24-pound cannons, two 18-pound medium cannons, and two 18-pound long cannons. She began construction in 1839 as the Texas in Baltimore by the Schott and Whitney firm, and was delivered to the Texas Navy and commissioned on 5 January 1840 under the command of Captain Edwin W. Moore, TN.

In addition to her participation in the actions off of the coast of the Yucatan against Mexico, she was able to capture several enemy vessels as prizes.

She was commissioned into the United States Navy on 11 May 1846 following the annexation of the Republic of Texas into the United States where she served in Pensacola until she was stricken in 1848.

 

Here are some more pictures of the Austin

http://imgur.com/a/nqntA

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9 hours ago, HackFish said:

I propose the Texas Navy Sloop-of-War Austin:

 

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The Austin was a 600 ton ship-rigged sloop in the Second Texas Navy that is most famously remembered for being immortalized on the cylinder of the 1851 Colt Navy revolver. The scene engraved on the Colt depicts the 1843 Naval Battle of Campeche Bay, between the Mexican Navy and the Republic of Texas and Republic of Yucatan naval forces. This battle is notable as the only time an all-sail-powered force defeated an enemy with steam powered vessels.

She carried a crew of 23 officers and warrant officers, 151 sailors and marines and was armed with 16 medium 24-pound cannons, two 18-pound medium cannons, and two 18-pound long cannons. She began construction in 1839 as the Texas in Baltimore by the Schott and Whitney firm, and was delivered to the Texas Navy and commissioned on 5 January 1840 under the command of Captain Edwin W. Moore, TN.

In addition to her participation in the actions off of the coast of the Yucatan against Mexico, she was able to capture several enemy vessels as prizes.

She was commissioned into the United States Navy on 11 May 1846 following the annexation of the Republic of Texas into the United States where she served in Pensacola until she was stricken in 1848.

 

Here are some more pictures of the Austin

http://imgur.com/a/nqntA

to much modern for me, sorry  prefer style in next post.

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