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31 minutes ago, Skully said:

A question, when is BLACK going to realize nobody wants to fight you on your terms?

I think everybody else already knows you won't fight on their terms. :lol:

what are the terms of whatever nation you're from? I'm really asking. I'm curious

 

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The operation against GB was not planned, but the tension of disagreements on the Global chat and the pressure of constant hostilities around Pirate regions have resulted short, but furious 2 weeks of

My suggestion to the British: Tell the pirates "NUTS!". On one hand, I see the Pirates not wanting to break a nation and wanting to back off to give them time to recover. On the other hand,

The recent events show that we, players, should think better when choosing a nation and not ALL rush to a single nation and leave three other nations almost devoid of population. Sorry for the si

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12 hours ago, The Red Duke said:

The recent events show that we, players, should think better when choosing a nation and not ALL rush to a single nation and leave three other nations almost devoid of population.

Sorry for the sidenote.

Salute.

come dutch *waves dutch flag*

 

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10 minutes ago, Simon Cadete said:

what are the terms of whatever nation you're from? I'm really asking. I'm curious

 

Does it matter what nation or who he is.   When he is right he is right.

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8 hours ago, Slim Jimmerson said:

-use exploits to bypass screeners

---Every PB forced into 25v25 against a enemy with better ships, more experience, and better teamwork.

-------Everyone loses ships because nothing else decides the PB besides that 25v25 which they'll lose every time.

-------------Everyone quits because there is no way around this.

"Won't fix the actual problems with the nations as a whole"

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) you guys

Having a better team isn't an exploit.  Y'all had chance to take it back in a time you picked and you brought trash ships to a lineship battle.  Not our fault.  Agian we took one US ports, Brits took over 5 ports and I don't see you bitching at them.  IF you can't hold your ports and properly defend them than you don't deserve them at this time until you can properly do so.

7 hours ago, Slamz said:

Well..... this is indeed a fault of the British: they do not seem to build PvP ships and then regularly go out hunting. The people with "more experience" are those who did this -- built or otherwise acquired appropriate PvP ships and went hunting.

Last night my group was x2 Cerb and x1 Surprise and we jumped x2 Pirate Frigates and x1 Surprise (pirate players).  They spent the whole fight trying to run away (two of them succeeded but one of the PFs got sunk. We lost nothing). I think they didn't have any repairs on them because they were just running missions. Just goes to show, sometimes you can win fights that don't look favorable. Don't know til ya try.

What I would like to see is the Brits try to shift focus for a bit. Start building:

Frames from fir, teak or bermuda cedar. Planking of teak, bermuda or white oak. Experiment.
Cerberus, Surprise, possibly Renommee as of the new patch. Cheap, good PvP ships.
Apply +speed figurehead (even after the nerf, 2% is better than nothing).
Go out solo if you have to but try to round up 2-5 players or so.
Hunt.

I really think a lot of players will be surprised at how NOT dangerous most PvP encounters are.

Do this for 3 weeks and Brits will have a lot of captains with a lot of practical PvP experience. I bet a lot of their clans are sitting on tons of materials that would easily make all the 5th rates they need.

If they're feeling ballsy they can try mixing in Connies, Endys and even Bellonas. But start with 5th rates and just go hunt. There is a lot of stuff out there they can find and kill with 3-5 Cerbs and Surprises.

With this notice we are trying to give them time to build up and get that fleet to fight back. A lot of guys wanted to roll them down the coast and destroy all there econ and win.   That isn't a win when every one leaves and the game is dead.  So we are leaving area's off limits.  They still will prob have the second most ports in game.  We have no plans to take all the GoM ports as that would extend us out to far. That is why we offered US to take back the ports around the one they have in the GoM to help them grow a bit more and get encouraged to fight back.  We are hoping in a few weeks they both get organized and bring the fight back to us.   I know we butt heads on here a lot with post, but both your post have been spot on what they need to do, but until they can stop the interfighthing and unit clans together it's not going to happen any time soon.  We are trying to give them the chance to do that.  While they where running around grabbing every dot on the game we built our fleets up.   They should have done the same. They got to spread out and couldn't defend there own lands next to there home port.  That is the problems they need to learn how to work together and fight back.  No one is saying they can't, we are just giving them out intentions is all.   

5 hours ago, Vllad said:

 

The Pirate offer is noble but in general peace is bad for a war game. People get bored when there is nothing to do. The Pirates don't need a deal to not crush someone. They can just not do it. The game would end up better if people just fought and let the game play itself out.

We can't help NA build a better game if we don't just go at it without mercy.

If NA is any good the Pirates are eventually going to run into the same problems as everyone else. We have an obligation to NA to test the limits of there product without players trying to do it for them. If any team can crush another it should. That way NA and its players learns some lessons from it.

This game will lose more players from boredom then they ever will from defeat.

And this is why we are posting our intentions. If we rolled up and destroyed them to last ports folks will stop playing and the game gets dead.  They bit off more than they could chew by spreading out so far and not working together . This is a great time for them to get organized, build up more than one fleet and than be ready to fight back.  They can't do that if they are spread all over the place.  

Remember folks OW PvP is still on to keep folks busy.  This is only an RvR intentions of our actions.   Since the other nations are ready to fight in 25 vs 25 port battles we area given them time to grow and get ready and than offering to help other nations to.  We honestly don't want the GoM ports.  We would like to see US take some of them back to grow and even France to NO back and maybe Texas and beyond if they want them.   Hell we would give Spain back some ports too if they can actually flip them with the two players they have or if any clans want to offer to move to spain we will give them some ports back.  The new system is great compared to the CM as we don't have to roll some one down to 1 region to win or own every dot to be the best on the block.  We just have to have the most points by the end of the week.  Now that you can exchange Combat Marks for Victory points even the small nations can get things that the winners where locked out from getting before this hotfix.

4 hours ago, Trouble said:

Most new players opt to not join a clan until they get their feet wet, and understand the game a little, but repeatedly getting sunk by Pirates, is simply seen as a recruiting tool for Pirates, since most of the US nations newest players after getting sunk several times, simply decide to join the nation that is sinking them, so as to avoid that pain in the future,

 Once again, Congrats on ruining your own fun by creating a diminished server population through your own actions,

That funny most of the folks we been fighitn out there have been high ranks not noobs.  It's your job to protect your noobs. If you move away from your capital or don't come out when there is a threat than it's your Vets that are letting them down. Ya'll still have plenty of vets as we see them all the time.....>ON TRADERS< but never out fighting when some one shows up.   So what that tells us is they only care about trading and not there nation.  Didn't a large chunk of US move to bBermuda to safely grind your fleet missions and such?  Maybe that is the US and GB problem is ya'll move away from your capital.  BLACK has keep there center at Mort so we can help out the rest of the nation.  We use to be based out of Kidds pre-partch and found that won't help any one this patch. Mainly cause of the lack of tow to port options and telport back to capital to get ships back there.

3 hours ago, Trouble said:

This is complete and utter BS,

if the Pirates cared about the health of the US nation, they would leave Savannah, so that the US nation could retain some new players, and hopefully raise them into veteran players that would potentially put up a decent defense,

But instead the Pirates prefer to Club Baby Seals, and Thus inadvertently recruit these new US players into the Pirate nation,

Again if US cared about there nation they wouldn't of offered all there ports up to British and bent over for them in the first place. You would of fought for your regions and not gave up.  We took one region.  They took over 5 regions after that.  We have even offered US some of those ports back they lost.  Remember US attacked two of our regions and brought them into port battles an lost.  Up to that point we had not attacked or agro any region on the map other than the Spanish port around us. We than took the brits ports next to our capital but did so in prime time so they could defend them if they wished. So why shouldn't we attacked back?  It got the point through that if your not ready for the RvR part of the game stop attacking our regions.  IF you want to stop those hunters out side your capital do what we do.  GO OUT AND FIGHT.   Ask the french and brits (now french also) that have raided Mort, most of them have faced a large force of ships to run them off a time or two.   When you come out in light ships you bought from the store to run some one off and your rear admiral rank your not helping your nation one bit.  

 

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2 hours ago, Trouble said:

 , so all of your grand gestures of offering ports on the west coast of Florida are Mute, 

The word is moot, not mute.  Sorry it is one of those things that drives me nuts.

1 hour ago, Trouble said:

This is complete and utter BS,

if the Pirates cared about the health of the US nation, they would leave Savannah, so that the US nation could retain some new players, and hopefully raise them into veteran players that would potentially put up a decent defense,

But instead the Pirates prefer to Club Baby Seals, and Thus inadvertently recruit these new US players into the Pirate nation,

LOL why so they can take it right back from a already demoralized US nation?

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10 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

 

With this notice we are trying to give them time to build up and get that fleet to fight back. A lot of guys wanted to roll them down the coast and destroy all there econ and win.   That isn't a win when every one leaves and the game is dead.  So we are leaving area's off limits.  They still will prob have the second most ports in game.  We have no plans to take all the GoM ports as that would extend us out to far. That is why we offered US to take back the ports around the one they have in the GoM to help them grow a bit more and get encouraged to fight back.  We are hoping in a few weeks they both get organized and bring the fight back to us.   I know we butt heads on here a lot with post, but both your post have been spot on what they need to do, but until they can stop the interfighthing and unit clans together it's not going to happen any time soon.  We are trying to give them the chance to do that.  While they where running around grabbing every dot on the game we built our fleets up.   They should have done the same. They got to spread out and couldn't defend there own lands next to there home port.  That is the problems they need to learn how to work together and fight back.  No one is saying they can't, we are just giving them out intentions is all.   

 

Do you guys really believe what you are spouting here or is it just some BS propaganda line to make out you guys are keeping the server alive? You are trying to dictate what other nations should do and force them down that path while at the same time leaving yourselves with a target rich environment that you can easily defend. You know you cannot take all the ports so you try and make out you are leaving them for the benefit of others.

All I can say is take your terms and shove them where the sun dont shine, and I hope the rest of the Brits and other nations tell you the same. If you dont want to over extend then dont take anymore ports, but please dont give lame excuses that you are giving others time to rebuild. Read your own statements they contradict each other. 

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20 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Remember folks OW PvP is still on to keep folks busy.  

That is good. That goes along way in creating PVPers and keeping people from getting bored. OW PVP should never be dismissed in any peace deal. That has caused more harm than good every time people do it. 

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3 minutes ago, Archaos said:

Do you guys really believe what you are spouting here or is it just some BS propaganda line to make out you guys are keeping the server alive? You are trying to dictate what other nations should do and force them down that path while at the same time leaving yourselves with a target rich environment that you can easily defend. You know you cannot take all the ports so you try and make out you are leaving them for the benefit of others.

All I can say is take your terms and shove them where the sun dont shine, and I hope the rest of the Brits and other nations tell you the same. If you dont want to over extend then dont take anymore ports, but please dont give lame excuses that you are giving others time to rebuild. Read your own statements they contradict each other. 

I think I can sum up what you are trying to say in one word.

Delusional. 

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Great Britain had a over month to build up, with a capital that spawns trade resources that can be bought on contract (a huge money maker, and advantage Mortimer lacks), and trade ships running into Willemstad 24/7 with cover from the Dutch, with easy ability to teleport. Where are those dozens of millions of trade profits? Where were the PvP guards to ensure the ships don't get intercepted? Grinding missions was the #2 most profitable activity on the server - where is all that PvE money? Where are all the 1st and 4th rates? Not only that, but you had VCO and TF join the nation - growing even bigger. 

Where is that great leadership, inspiring people to show up and fight? 

Where are the people that bullied the Dutch out of Cartagena, threatening to crush them at a hint of offense? 

Why have I spent the last month before joining the Pirates recruiting rookies out of GB and US that said they could never receive support and were exploited by their clans? Where are the people from GB clans that mocked everyone recruiting from help or global? 

Why do the 75+ GB players seem to have less influence and ships in PB than the 20+ Dutch they bullied? 

Where are all the people that sent threats against France, claiming they will be "next"? 

If Admin ever releases the data on the richest individuals on the server, on who has what ship at port, the GB rookies that get exploited will have a rude awakening of why their nation actually can't fight. 

That fast and massive of a collapse is not accidental - it's a symptom of internal rotting, a weak monopolized economy that did not support it's own community of players. 

The people in charge of this fiasco needs to leave before the wound has a chance at healing.

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8 minutes ago, Vllad said:

That is good. That goes along way in creating PVPers and keeping people from getting bored. OW PVP should never be dismissed in any peace deal. That has caused more harm than good every time people do it. 

And no one said these are terms of peace either.  We are only letting them know our intentions.  They don't have to listen to them, but than we will just keep taking ports if that is what they want.  

10 minutes ago, Archaos said:

Do you guys really believe what you are spouting here or is it just some BS propaganda line to make out you guys are keeping the server alive? You are trying to dictate what other nations should do and force them down that path while at the same time leaving yourselves with a target rich environment that you can easily defend. You know you cannot take all the ports so you try and make out you are leaving them for the benefit of others.

All I can say is take your terms and shove them where the sun dont shine, and I hope the rest of the Brits and other nations tell you the same. If you dont want to over extend then dont take anymore ports, but please dont give lame excuses that you are giving others time to rebuild. Read your own statements they contradict each other. 

Maybe we don't want to take all the ports, but we don't have to take all them to win the match for the week.  If you don't like our intentions than your more than welcome to stop us.  We will see ya'll at Portabella tonight when we flip it and than at the port battle.  Bring you best screeners if you dare.   Other wise shut up and go lick your wounds where ever your hiding at now.

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51 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

If we rolled up and destroyed them to last ports folks will stop playing and the game gets dead.

I wonder about this, really.

I know when France got one-ported back early in 2016, I personally thought it did a world of good for the team. Yeah some people quit but let's be real: those people are carebears who don't really like the game. The people who stayed -- and it was a good number -- all had a blast. We fought those pirates so viciously that in the end, it was them who quit!

It's kind of like..... One time I was dating this girl and she was just super needy. She had shows she liked to watch that I couldn't stand but it was unacceptable for me to just go do something else while she watched her show. Nope, I had to sit there and watch it with her. She hated it if I went to the bar without her (it was happy hour with the coworkers! They're all dudes, even!) Of course she said she loved me but I came to realize she loved some idealized version of me -- the version that exists in some parallel universe that likes doing literally everything with her -- instead of the actual me, who likes playing online games, hitting a bar with the coworkers now and then and not watching her dumb shows. For both our sakes, I dumped her and god speed her to finding someone who actually matches what she's looking for.

People who quit Naval Action because they got one-ported are just like that old girlfriend.

They love an idealized version of this game which is not reality. If they loved the game they'd also love being one-ported. They'd love to fight against it, to the death, and they'd be cranking out the PvP ship of the day to sack pirates wherever pirates can be found.

People who love this game would tell pirates to go to hell even as the steamroller hits them.

So in my opinion, the only thing you can do is wake some people up to the reality of this game and see if they like the real Naval Action, or the fictional version that exists only inside their own head.

And god speed those people to finding a game that matches what they really want, instead of sitting here in this game, making us all miserable.

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33 minutes ago, Tenet said:

Great Britain had a over month to build up, with a capital that spawns trade resources that can be bought on contract(a huge money maker, and advantage Mortimer lacks), ( blockaded by pirates )

and trade ships running into Willemstad 24/7 with cover from the Dutch,(nothing stopping pirates with alt accounts from doing the same)

with easy ability to teleport.(removed from the game 1 week now)

Where are those dozens of millions of trade profits?(tied up in resources probably and in inactive accounts now)

Where were the PvP guards to ensure the ships don't get intercepted? (busy trying to grind levels on unwanted ships)

 Where are all the 1st and 4th rates? (tied up with in active players)

Not only that, but you had VCO and TF join the nation - growing even bigger. (it was VCO, TF and AUSEZ that attacked the gulf because they didnt have any marks from the conquest before they moved)

VCO have done nothing but moan about the British nation being carebears and not helping in the north when some of us did not even want to fight the americans

 

 

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6 hours ago, Jarlath Morrow said:

Since the original intent of the thread is long lost, I might as well jump in on the screening debate. Without engaging in a debate about whether screening is good or bad (I don't care), let us discuss another question - is screening fun?

During our attack on PaP I was attacked by 17 British players. 5 of them stayed with me to capture my Agamemnon and the others left the battle for other prey. I gave them a hell of a time lasting more than 30 minutes, and employed lots of tricks to stay alive, keep my ship intact, and keep fighting. Without a doubt I can say that I'm a better fighter for having been ganked. But my problem is the 5 guys ganking me didn't seem like they were having fun.

This goes for the many other screener battles I have been in. In most of them the screeners did not have as favorable odds as the battle against my Agamemnon, and end up sinking en masse in store bought Frigates and Renomees. They may have won the day by delaying a PB, but they don't seem like they are having much fun either.

You are wrong about that.

I have done plenty of screening (both on Global and previously on PvP 1).  There were plenty of battles in which not only did the screeners have fun, but those within the port battle fleet later commented that it sounded as if the screeners had more fun than they did in the PB (best example of that was when PvP 1 Danes tried taking Bermuda from the Brits 3 weeks in a row.  Each time the screeners were the key to victory and those in the British/US/Dutch PB fleet commented at for at least one if not 2 of the PBs that they thought it sounded as if the screeners had more fun.  I and a group of 15-25 US captains sailed round trip for 5 hours on each of those 3 occasions).  

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My responses in purple:

Great Britain had a over month to build up, with a capital that spawns trade resources that can be bought on contract(a huge money maker, and advantage Mortimer lacks), ( blockaded by pirates ) - Dutch made it in just fine, with enough efficiency to account for the occasional losses. You had a home port to fight from to defend trade, and it only needs to be done in immediate vicinity. None of your main trade goods had a buy contract in the first month of play, you left your trade undefended both in shop and in the OW. I know because I sailed in and bought it several times, with the biggest threat being your own uneducated rookies tagging in basics and brigs. CKA were a positive exception. 

with easy ability to teleport.(removed from the game 1 week now) - Tow-to-Port can be easily used to enter Willemstad or KPR from 60-120 k away using "closest deep water port" and trade tool distance indicator. It was "fixed" in 10.4, only recently, and can still be used to dodge freeport hunt areas once or twice per day. 

I can't respond to the rest, because it simply proves my point - resources tied up with inactive players means you didn't share your wealth, exactly what I claimed. 

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37 minutes ago, Slamz said:

I wonder about this, really.

I know when France got one-ported back early in 2016, I personally thought it did a world of good for the team. Yeah some people quit but let's be real: those people are carebears who don't really like the game. The people who stayed -- and it was a good number -- all had a blast. We fought those pirates so viciously that in the end, it was them who quit!

It's kind of like..... One time I was dating this girl and she was just super needy. She had shows she liked to watch that I couldn't stand but it was unacceptable for me to just go do something else while she watched her show. Nope, I had to sit there and watch it with her. She hated it if I went to the bar without her (it was happy hour with the coworkers! They're all dudes, even!) Of course she said she loved me but I came to realize she loved some idealized version of me -- the version that exists in some parallel universe that likes doing literally everything with her -- instead of the actual me, who likes playing online games, hitting a bar with the coworkers now and then and not watching her dumb shows. For both our sakes, I dumped her and god speed her to finding someone who actually matches what she's looking for.

People who quit Naval Action because they got one-ported are just like that old girlfriend.

They love an idealized version of this game which is not reality. If they loved the game they'd also love being one-ported. They'd love to fight against it, to the death, and they'd be cranking out the PvP ship of the day to sack pirates wherever pirates can be found.

People who love this game would tell pirates to go to hell even as the steamroller hits them.

So in my opinion, the only thing you can do is wake some people up to the reality of this game and see if they like the real Naval Action, or the fictional version that exists only inside their own head.

And god speed those people to finding a game that matches what they really want, instead of sitting here in this game, making us all miserable.

Being one ported is not a pleasant experience.  I was in the PvP 1 US nation that was one ported TWICE by the Pirate SORRY clan.  As a result of that we lost more than half our nation's players and it took us at least 6 months of effort/organizing/training before we were a viable force again.  

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1 hour ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Hell @Duncan McFail even recruited a new member for NPG last night off global chat.  We are helping ya'll recruit for your own nation.   The poor guy wanted to join a clan and asked and we sent him your direction. Though not sure why he asked in global instead of your nation chat.   

Based on the terrible behavior of individuals like HoneyBadger who linked NPG's crafting Google Doc to the web in retaliation before he went Pirate, I have little faith that you are not simply planting a New Alt into NPG...

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3 minutes ago, Tenet said:

My responses in purple:

Great Britain had a over month to build up, with a capital that spawns trade resources that can be bought on contract(a huge money maker, and advantage Mortimer lacks), ( blockaded by pirates ) - Dutch made it in just fine, with enough efficiency to account for the occasional losses. You had a home port to fight from to defend trade, and it only needs to be done in immediate vicinity. 

and trade ships running into Willemstad 24/7 with cover from the Dutch,(nothing stopping pirates with alt accounts from doing the same) - None of your main trade goods had a buy contract in the first month of play, you left your trade undefended both in shop and in the OW. I know because I sailed in and bought it several times, with the biggest threat being your own uneducated rookies tagging in basics and brigs. CKA were a positive exception. 

with easy ability to teleport.(removed from the game 1 week now) - Tow-to-Port can be easily used to enter Willemstad or KPR from 60-120 k away using "closest deep water port" and trade tool distance indicator. It was "fixed" in 10.4, only recently, and can still be used to dodge freeport hunt areas once or twice per day. 

I can't respond to the rest, because it simply proves my point - resources tied up with inactive players means you didn't share your wealth, exactly what I claimed. 

i just looked in KPR and three basic things are not available in port to build ships so dont give me that bull crap

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33 minutes ago, Llewellyn Jones RN said:

VCO have done nothing but moan about the British nation being carebears and not helping in the north when some of us did not even want to fight the americans

Welp, so much for 1 full day of national unity. 

VCO showed up to defend your region that you and your clan refuses to abandon knowing full well we cannot hold it indefinitely.  VCO showed up and dropped 6 aggies defending your little PVE wonderland when all your clan could muster was 1 person.  We didn't receive so much as a thanks or a single offer to replace the ships that were lost.  Now you have the stones to bad mouth us on the forums here?  

Screw that.  I've made attempts to mend fences inside the brit nation, in particular a couple hours last night agreeing to defend ports outside of the best interest of the nation to pacify clans that do not contribute.  

Cartagena will no longer be protected by VCO, have at it pirates and french.  

 

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10 minutes ago, Christendom said:

Welp, so much for 1 full day of national unity. 

VCO showed up to defend your region that you and your clan refuses to abandon knowing full well we cannot hold it indefinitely.  VCO showed up and dropped 6 aggies defending your little PVE wonderland when all your clan could muster was 1 person.  We didn't receive so much as a thanks or a single offer to replace the ships that were lost.  Now you have the stones to bad mouth us on the forums here?  

Screw that.  I've made attempts to mend fences inside the brit nation, in particular a couple hours last night agreeing to defend ports outside of the best interest of the nation to pacify clans that do not contribute.  

Cartagena will no longer be protected by VCO, have at it pirates and french.  

 

Cartagena was never defended by VCO you came to the one port battle and got trapped by the French losing 6 ships because your home base is so far from the front lines it takes an age to get to Cartagena now you know why we didnt show in the Gulf

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