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1 hour ago, Kair said:

I have always considered many Danes and many Swedes to be honorable - and, for some of them my friends - captains.
But this has not always been... I remember waging war against the Danes in my early years as a captain, and strugling to settle peace between France and Sweden one year aggo...

War can reveal the worst in someone, but it can also bring much more... May it strengthen the respect both of your nations have towards oneanother.

Regards.

KAIR! MON AMI! you are still around!

 

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We should let them have their way and move out of the north they don't need us apparently as a buffer on the pirates so lets go. Let the great Spanish defectors to the Danes deal with the onslaught of pirates that will come rolling around Jeremie when they rebuild as there will be no longer pressure from us and just sit back and watch the Dane nation argue about who is at fault for it happening.

Player shows no loyalty to a Nation they were in think they will be loyal to yours when shit hits fan. GL with that.

LV is no longer there calling the shots and holding back the pirates , guys that run it now are different they rebuild unchecked Danes will be first hit hard your the closest "Large" enemy. And they will have all the ports back close to their capital.

Wish you luck your going to need it.

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1 hour ago, Aphilas said:

 

3. Even when fighting weakened pirates you still were partly coordinating with US (First Morgans Bluff and Nassau hostility raising day you had jointed fleet of US and Swedes fighting pirates in US waters - hostility raising started only after your scouts saw pirate fleet about 40 mins away from shallows, second Morgans Bluff and George hostility raising day US tried to raise at Ays and again had significant pirate fleet stuck fighting there - again hostility raising started after significant pirate fleet was enganged. Showing you didn't do it for fun, you did it to win.

As has been stated in other threads, the only purpose of the Swedish-America coordination efforts was to get conquest marks flowing for the USA again by flipping Wilmington. However the Swedes and the Americans had no idea the developers would completely change the system the very next day or we would never have bothered to work together on that. When a pirate fleet showed up outside Little River to interfere with the hostility-raising, it only made sense that USA and the Swedish clan members who offered to help with the effort should work together to sink your fleet so the plan could be completed. We have ships and buildings to liberate at Ays, nothing more. Once that is over you have your war with Sweden, the USA has no alliance with them and will not interfere. However this latest development between Sweden and Denmark might make it very interesting and I would say that pirates have a better chance than ever to reclaim some of those lost regions..

Over-expansion will ruin any nation regardless of how large they are. Perhaps if pirates had been in the Bahamas instead of poking their noses into business far north at Little River, the Swedes would have had a much harder time even raising hostility around Morgan's Bluff and Nassau to begin with, but it is hard to defend something when you are on the other side of the map..

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Too much forum PvP, not enough NA PvP.

Blah blah Swedes took a port from a weak nation (that still owns the whole Gulf and is on top of leaderboards but okay), Danes backstabbed/blackmailed/*insert your favourite NN buzzword here* us... who cares! Youre all taking it too personal!

 

Btw, could you place an add in your next newspaper issue? I see the salt market growing...

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31 minutes ago, ajffighter86 said:

As has been stated in other threads, the only purpose of the Swedish-America coordination efforts was to get conquest marks flowing for the USA again by flipping Wilmington. However the Swedes and the Americans had no idea the developers would completely change the system the very next day or we would never have bothered to work together on that. When a pirate fleet showed up outside Little River to interfere with the hostility-raising, it only made sense that USA and the Swedish clan members who offered to help with the effort should work together to sink your fleet so the plan could be completed. We have ships and buildings to liberate at Ays, nothing more. Once that is over you have your war with Sweden, the USA has no alliance with them and will not interfere. However this latest development between Sweden and Denmark might make it very interesting and I would say that pirates have a better chance than ever to reclaim some of those lost regions..

Over-expansion will ruin any nation regardless of how large they are. Perhaps if pirates had been in the Bahamas instead of poking their noses into business far north at Little River, the Swedes would have had a much harder time even raising hostility around Morgan's Bluff and Nassau to begin with, but it is hard to defend something when you are on the other side of the map..

Simply put, pirates have noticed swedish movements before Little River and we knew they are coming for our shallows. Once we saw Swedes raising hostility for US we knew we'll be facing 2 fronts (not counting MT side, since it's been decided over a week ago to abandon deep ports arount MT). Hence we decided to intervene in the north to delay Swedish progression as much as possible, which was a mistake - we estimated Swedish preparation poorly and did not expect 50+ swedes with shallow ships are already ready since we mostly saw 4th rates and up while spotting very few movements of shallow ships at that point.

Generally speaking, swedes prepared and played very well on tactical level. And no, even if some of you claim it was coinsidences, I'm not buying it. Timings of events were to damn good to be accidental. Division of Swe forces was also close to perfect - just enough that combined with US forces could defeat Rubli/Podw/std and just enough at morgans that with Rubli/podw/std busy up north remaining pirates could not bring serious resistance.

Well played. But you gained a long term enemy.

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I have the feeling a little bit, that we are getting blamed for playing the game.

Like Havelock  said, dont take it to personell. We are still all players who like to play this game.

I hope in the end all sides can say with a smile on their face: "Damn, that was interesting!"

So all i would like to say now is:

Have Fun! Because thats why we play this!

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Indeed less stupid politics more fun guys! But for me this looks like - VLTRA join Denmark and now you guys just feel you got enough to fight all server - we will see.

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7 minutes ago, Bart Smith said:

Indeed less stupid politics more fun guys! But for me this looks like - VLTRA join Denmark and now you guys just feel you got enough to fight all server - we will see.

You need some glasses mate. The main agressors since the begining of the wipe has been the SWEDISH.

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As has already been stated by many others - let's have some PvP.. I'm too lazy to sail to Belize, clubbing "seals" (that apparently all start at rearadmiral) near KPR is getting dull and the pirates needs a breather after SORRY disbanded and LV (thankfully) found some other game to ruin. So I welcome this! Swedish meatballs are right around the corner, too long have I traded with all the capitals in the carribean without fear of losing my cargo, too long have I crafted ships with supplies, which deliveries I could always depend on, too long have I grown fat and lazy on the bloody weak brits, the dull dutch, the perfidious pyrates and the feeble french! Now I'll eat my swede and have their meatballs too!

 

EDIT: Gl to everyone involved btw, this is by far the most exiting development on the server for a long time and I'll look forward to the struggle!

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Huh, a game about naval warfare suddenly turns out to be something about naval warfare. Who would have thought.

BTW: Who is this Hornblower guy writing all day about the bad Swedes? Smells like a bad personal experience along the line long forgotten or is it LV`s forum Alt? ;)  Another thread better than the internet, keep it coming...

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3 minutes ago, Jon Snow lets go said:

Fck off and do some PvE in Belize or we one port you scrubs. (no smiley)

Empty threats as always. Come if you have the balls. You are just a forum warrior because in the game you lack what it is needed to pick fair fights. What a bunch of Nation gankers.

 

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5 hours ago, Intrepido said:

I just dont like this kind of aggressive attitude of Sweden.

Find quite weak the argument of "just testing the game".

We've always been going to different places and fighting various wars, other nations just preferred it when we did so while still being small, and would've preferred it even more if we sat in our little corner and did nothing. Doing nothing, or fighting an endless war over the same ports over and over, is awfully boring.

"Just testing the game" ? What?

Would you prefer it if we did what others have done already?

Conquest marks introduced - fake opposition in PBs abused to maximize conquest mark gain.

Conquest marks changed - most PBs ended up being arranged non-attacks, and then people mostly sat on their ports doing nothing.

Would you have preferred it if the next part of that story was "Victory marks introduced - largest nations take turns flipping ports weekly, everyone else screwed over, RvR dead"?

No wonder why development keeps going in a loop when the first thing we need to look for is how players will mess up or circumvent the system as soon as it's implemented.

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45 minutes ago, CaptVonGunn said:

SO the Brits gonna take out a Couple Swedish Regions near them?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Admiral Horatio Hornblower said:

We miss you man. Come back and let's kick some swedish butts.

How? I have a job and live on the US east coast the EU server RvR timer stops at 4pm my time, Same as most of the old British leadership.  Make the devs remove the lockout the servers then ill come back, till then its not worth it.  I'm one of The dirty north american players they wanted to get rid of :P 

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2 hours ago, CaptVonGunn said:

SO the Brits gonna take out a Couple Swedish Regions near them?

 

 You are dreaming, we already have hands full with the dutch.

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3 minutes ago, Augustus Charles Hobart H said:

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Even when you don't play any more this is still better then a soap opera :P 

Well you do have to give it to the Dane's and Swede's for keeping it interesting for us retired "Caesars" and we don't even have to log in.

So let's get a pool going. It feels dirty but I'm putting my money on the Dane's.

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3 minutes ago, Augustus Charles Hobart H said:

How? I have a job and live on the US east coast the EU server RvR timer stops at 4pm my time, Same as most of the old British leadership.  Make the devs remove the lockout the servers then ill come back, till then its not worth it.

So sad to hear this :(

 

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Well you do have to give it to the Dane's and Swede's for keeping it interesting for us retired "Caesars" and we don't even have to log in.

So let's get a pool going. It feels dirty but I'm putting my money on the Dane's.

I'll bet you all my alts that when the smoke clears the French are the map winners :P 

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