BallsOfSteel Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) This screen shot shows the first rate fleet already in outlaw battle before the PB in Savanna Del Mar tonight on Global Server. This same practice was used earlier in Day. This is directly using outlaw battle to avoid contact and enter PB and as far as Im concerned this tactic needs banning immediately. If nothing done. Well Im done with this game. Edited July 16, 2017 by BallsOfSteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anolytic Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Outlaw battles stay open for the entire 1 hour 30 minutes. Your screeners can enter the battle and fight them or keep them tagged so they cannot leave to enter the port battle. Though I can see how the outlaw mechanic can be problematic in combination with port battles, I'm not sure this should be characterised as and exploit rather than a mechanics issue. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Astley Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Anolytic said: Outlaw battles stay open for the entire 1 hour 30 minutes. Your screeners can enter the battle and fight them or keep them tagged so they cannot leave to enter the port battle. Though I can see how the outlaw mechanic can be problematic in combination with port battles, I'm not sure this should be characterised as and exploit rather than a mechanics issue. And spend 1 hour chasing a fleet that has already been sailing in one direction when you join already away from the "Combat" It is exploiting a game mechanic to assist the Pirate nation in there port battles. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koltes Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 hour ago, BallsOfSteel said: This screen shot shows the first rate fleet already in outlaw battle before the PB in Savanna Del Mar tonight on Global Server. This same practice was used earlier in Day. This is directly using outlaw battle to avoid contact and enter PB and as far as Im concerned this tactic needs banning immediately. There are two types of RvR players. One type is doing everything they can use to get inside and have a legit fight. The other type does everything to avoid PBs using all game mechanics possible and call the first type cheaters every time they get into PBs. Ban for what? What is your statement? Ban pirates for having GnG battle?"This same practice was used earlier in Day" - this is a statement that you will have to prove that a). we did as you described; and b). that its against the rules. Avoiding contact is what the opposite side does in order to get in. The PB screening mechanic is broken on both sides. Whatever we do to get into PB is also use of game built-in mechanics. Bannable? For what? For using them? Have some rest buddy. You have a PB coming up. 1 hour ago, Scout said: From my point it´s a miss use of mechanics clear as it can bee. I did spend 2-3 hours sailing there to screen and if this is going to be the norm i better move on From my point when your side using tag circle borders to separate attacking fleet is a miss use of tagging mechanic. Its complete BS when few frigates can pull 2-3 1st rates out of a tight group which sails close together. By your own standards this is definitely an exploit. Is it banable? I don't think so - just bad mechanic. Do we cry about it after each PB on tribunal? No we dont. We don't mind being tagged by equal force on force and have a fight. Being tagged by crappy frigates bought in store that have no intention to fight but to kite until PB entry is closed is complete BS and we will do whatever at hand to avoid that and there will be no end to this. Human nature. Devs need to give us PB fleet x25 that can only be tagged by the equal force. Then we will fight our way through. You don't like that because instead of 25 dead ships in the PB you will have 100's Edit: Stay on topic Captain. - Moderation Team 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 As for the OP I would like to know how sitting in a battle 5 hours before a port battle is an exploit? There is nothing wrong with going to a location and getting you fleet all gather up in one spot. I mean the port battle is in 5ish hours so how exactly is this exploiting? Edit: Stay on topic Captain. - Moderation team 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallsOfSteel Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Ban for what? What is your statement? Ban pirates for having GnG battle? 1 v 21 first rates within the vicinity of a PB. Yeah right.......................................... Its not tactics. Its abuse of a mechanic never designed for this reason and should be banned for all users including ALTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebrall Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 ok just want to point out this a tribunal post not a bitching ground how about we let the Admins decide? if you wanna have a talk about whats fair or not fair maybe make another post some where else @admin @Ink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelennor Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, koltes said: There are two types of RvR players. One type is doing everything they can use to get inside and have a legit fight. The other type does everything to avoid PBs using all game mechanics possible [...]. This sum things up perfectly. We could elaborate this topic for 30 page, all come to this statement. Choose your side: Option 1: Port Battle means balanced 25v25 beautiful lineship engagements Option 2*: Port Battle means rush of trash ships into PB fleet and firing at sails to keep them in battle for at least 20mins *Option 2 is only available if your nation is more numerous than the other 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koltes Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 hour ago, BallsOfSteel said: Ban for what? What is your statement? Ban pirates for having GnG battle? 1 v 21 first rates within the vicinity of a PB. Yeah right.......................................... Its not tactics. Its abuse of a mechanic never designed for this reason and should be banned for all users including ALTS. Grabbing few ships out of ONE freaking fleet and separating them into MULTIPLE isolated battle instances is also a mechanic that was never designed for that reason and you all should be banned including Socialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Here I find myself in a bewilderment. Outlaw battle is always open and free for all ( make your own friends and enemies inside the battle). Why didn't you enter it and sink the enemy fleet ? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, BallsOfSteel said: Ban for what? What is your statement? Ban pirates for having GnG battle? 1 v 21 first rates within the vicinity of a PB. Yeah right.......................................... Its not tactics. Its abuse of a mechanic never designed for this reason and should be banned for all users including ALTS. Just want to remind you of something else. It's your job to bring the proof of things like exploits and alts abuse. All we did was gather a fleet in one spot. I personally think the Devs should get strict on folks that constantly accuse folks without proof too. Every heard of the little boy that cried wolf? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, The Red Duke said: Here I find myself in a bewilderment. Outlaw battle is always open and free for all ( make your own friends and enemies inside the battle). Why didn't you enter it and sink the enemy fleet ? Cause he was in a basic cutter and all by himself. Oh wait he couldn't even join the battle in a basic cutter lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike the Mongel Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I don't understand why if the Pirates was tagged by another Pirate and it created an outlaw battle, why didn't Brits join the fight ? that's still legal and maybe should have been used is my understanding. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallsOfSteel Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 39 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said: Just want to remind you of something else. It's your job to bring the proof of things like exploits and alts abuse. All we did was gather a fleet in one spot. I personally think the Devs should get strict on folks that constantly accuse folks without proof too. Every heard of the little boy that cried wolf? BLACK and one BLOOD are exploiting a mechanic to enter a PB. As far as I am concerned the tactic needs to be banned for everyone and as I said ALTS of every nation causing the problem. The proof is in the screen shot, if you entered the outlaw battle to hide before it is blatantly obvious. Admins, I have made the case either stop this activity or Ban Me. I like many will no longer play a game that allows this hiding of fleets before a PB. Fleets of all nations should be able to join a PB directly without tagging. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monk33y Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Gentleman remember tribunal is only for: Accuser Defender Accuser must provide proof/EVIDENCE (not hearsay) Defender can provide defending material where needed. (if you want to argue and flame go to national chat- global) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koltes Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, BallsOfSteel said: I like many will no longer play a game that allows this hiding of fleets before a PB. Fleets of all nations should be able to join a PB directly without tagging. Are we blackmailing devs now? I can also go if we wont get PB entry the way we want the whole clan will say good bye to the game and your sorry accusations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne Wildcat Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Outlaw battles supposedly stay open forever so if you see it, have your screeners jump in and destroy some of their fleet? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne Wildcat Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Peter Goldman said: I believe they stay open just for 30 minutes. Ah, ok, thanks. My mistake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serk Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Anne Wildcat said: Ah, ok, thanks. My mistake And the ships in the outlaw battle are not immobile. Good luck catching them up if you enter the battle 30 min late. Edited July 16, 2017 by Serk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike the Mongel Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said: I believe they stay open just for 30 minutes. They stay open the entire time..90 mins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallsOfSteel Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Im not blackmailing anyone. You think its fair to hide deliberately for a PB. Well good on you. Once maybe ok but more than once is exploiting. Ive said all I am going to say on the matter. Edited July 16, 2017 by BallsOfSteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Jack Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 so why don't you just enter out law battle,and kill all ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid the Infected Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I don't think this is a bannable offense as it stands but I do think that devs need to create a rule that makes it so and I do think that it smacks of cheating. Before this split the Danes on the other server would log out at sea so that they couldn't be screened out (so its not surprising that Anolytic is supporting the rats here). This "cheat" or whatever you want to call it was fixed by adding the 30 minute clock when logging at sea. If this change doesn't highlight the devs will that these types of techniques should not be used then I don't know what would. Taking the devs attitude toward that change I think its very reasonable for players to call shenanigans on what the pirates do now which is essentially the same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koltes Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 35 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said: Koltes and rest must admit that's exploiting, because the battle was used not to fight, but to hide and prevent fight. One thing is that Brits could join the battle, but it doesn't change the fact that if you attack someone, you do it to fight him. Attacking without a will to fight I consider as griefing. Just like SORRY clan came to PB without cannons for damage farming. No we don't have to use green on green to fight. Where does it says that we must use GnG battles for fighting??? We did not attack anyone, we just sailed to a close proximity. We use outlaw battles for all sorts of things. In particular we use them to prevent separating our fleet into separate groups, which is what they do using current broken tagging mechanic. We also use outlaw battles to deliver and share Repairs and Rum so not to overload our 1st rates which are slow already. Also hiding in outlaw battles is no different than hiding in ANY battles. 49 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said: Attacking without a will to fight I consider as griefing I agree and the griefing is built-in to this screening mechanic, because ALL they do during the entire tagging is grief us the entry into the PB. They don't fight. They use cheap store bought washtabs to kite our heavy fighting fleet. Does this not go as a griefing in your books??? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JobaSet Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1st of all Drink 2x Nothing stopping you from joining our battles, but we will keep our fleet together any way and every way we can. You want to stop us join us when we start another if we have to show up 3 or 5 hours early we will. Have a Bless Day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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