PVP Global - Operation BOHICA

[Vllad]

5 minutes ago, Hodo said:

And there are plenty of pirates who will sit outside your greenzone waiting to catch said traders.  Or jump into their missions.   Yeah... it isnt easy not by a day in sight.

 

There are plenty of Danes that sit outside ours. You just need to use the right tool for the right job. Good luck catching a bunch of Trader Lynx being escorted by Pickles. Pirates suffer from the same BiggestDickis problem every other sailor does. Use that to your advantage.

[Sir Texas Sir]

24 minutes ago, Hodo said:

mmm.. Ok.  

So there is no coal there.

No gold,

No silver

No conquest marks.

Yeah they can craft 1st rates without those things.   

LOLRSK8Ting away.

San Mateo has coal, that is why we didn't take that region it had a major econ resources they needed and it's a lineship port but why would we take something closer to the keys for PvP hunting instead of closer to there capital?

They didn't have silver or gold any way with all the ports they had before VCO and TF left so that doesn't matter, but they could get them through other means.   While I have a gold mine I gotten just about all my silver for Furnishings from either my stone mines or iron mines not from any one else.   So it's not like they are hurting on both silver and gold.   Now the woods you can use a trader and go in and buy the woods with an nice escort. I been doing this since day one with places like Grand Turk (British at the time) to get my Teak.   There own capital regions provides them with Live Oak so they aren't short on that.  Well unless some greedy player keeps buying it all and marks the prices up insanely which I'm told when folks compare our prices in Pirates to the other nationals ya'll mark every thign up insanely and than flood the market with resources so the buy price is 1 and locks it out for folks to make decent money.   These guys have no clue how to do economics and are every man out for them selves.   

Some of those guys are sitting on over 100 Conquest Marks so don't give me that crap that you can't build ships.   They can and they have them.  Many of the defectors that switched to PIrates confirmed that many guys are sitting on a lot of Marks.  Remember they CM system started when they attacked Key's and they had gotten how many regions after that? 6 regions with one being a 3 pointer (NO) so that is 8 points a day some folks can make.  It's been over a month since that patch dropped that changed to the CM.  Lets say times that by 30. That is over 240 conquest marks one player that made it to every port battle could have.  Now lets times that by 25.   That is over 6000 conquest marks.  The permit for the 1st rate is going to cost about 30 CM's so a few guys get the BP's and you have what?  200 1st rates.   Lets cut that in half and say VCO and TF took half those slots.  that is now 100 1st rates they could of crafted.  

So don't give me that crap they couldn't build them.

25 minutes ago, Hodo said:

It is hard to do missions to get combat marks, if you cant run missions.

Conquest marks.. LOL you wont have any if you have no regions.

And good luck getting any traders out of a 1 ported nation that is actively being camped.

 

Why is it hard to do missions?  Come out to your mission look around with your group to make sure no bad guys are around.  Join missing and wait a bit before you engage the AI.  Mission gets locked than you do the mission in safety that no one will join you.  If you can't patrol your own captial waters and protect your own guys than the problem goes way deeper and that nation should own a good chunk of the map.  What I see now is US is given a chance to regrow.  I has currently 6 regions counting there capital, that is more than some small nations have (Swedes, French, Danes).   Yes we all know they are going to loose two of those in the Gulf to the British if they don't show up and stop giving them away.  That is there own fault making the deals with the British.  No matter what the British say we as Pirates and I'm speaking for my clan on this one have no plans to 1 port the US.  We have only attacked on region and took it cause they have attacked three of our regions (two resulting in port battles and a lot of agro raised on all three).  They are more than welcome to take it back any time they want, but I would advise for them to get there act together.  Build a good strong fleet and than come at us with a unified nation and take it.  Hell there might even be a chance we give it back without a fight if they just approach us and have peace talks.  They haven't even tried that.  Remember when we did operation camal toe we took three regions in days and than we only defended one until we where happy with our results and than we gave all three back without much of a fight (think a few guys showed up just to have fun, but it was less than half a dozen in those fights).  We had all ready moved on to Operation Dutch oven to go play with the Dutch that attacked our silver port and declared war on us.   Remember something both these times and just about ever thing we do is a result of what another nation was doing to us.   Once we where happy with Dutch Open we moved to Operation Lone Ranger and took just about every Silver port on the map.   We don't hit stuff to take dots, we hit stuff to get fights mainly on the PvP area.   We don't keep them for long as the big nations quickly find out stretch your self to thin and it becomes a weakness.  Brits are going to find this out soon when other nations get tired of them.  While they are big enough to fill several port battles against one nation, but will they be able to handle it if the majority of the server hits them all at once?   People really need to look at the big picture and long term effect of there actions.  

[Vllad]

 

Getting one ported can be a blessing. It removes the fat that you didn't need to begin with. What is left is typically some hardened warriors ready to do battle. It is certainly more fun than playing in a zerg!

[Sir Texas Sir]

On 7/3/2017 at 6:22 PM, Trouble said:

@Sir Texas Sir ,  the Raising of Hostilities in the Bahama's was done by a rouge clan in the US, not by the US Nation, those that raised that hostility will not even show up for congress meetings, So they are indefacto playing against the US nation, and playing Pro Pirate, 

A False Flag operation will you, to draw the pirates in, and you guys took the bait hook, line, and sinker, without thinking twice about it...

Not sure who you are as you only have two post and I can't find just a Trouble in game for US.   So let me inform you something since you prob are one of those guys that sit in ports or hide behind a none in game screen name.   Every time hostility has been brought up at Key West Region or in the Bahamas (see it wasn't just one spot) and I'm talking about after we had port battles in those two regions was a combine clan thing. I saw NPG, IGG, DD, BSR, MARS (which is an econ clan).   Out there doing agro so don't give me it's a one clan that doing rogue stuff.  DD is still very much US last I checked and they love to do shallow water stuff and it's expected, but you are wrong as I see and sunk just about some one from every one of the US clans out there and a few new clans that seem like just small one or two guys clans.  This is all after VCO and TF left to go to Brits so you can't even blame it on them for your own nations actions.  We keep telling them to stop poking us are we will do something big and we did. Than once we did the attack we made a post to let US know our intentions and actions. IF you played on PvP2 any bit you can still go back and look at the post there and find out we do exactly that every time our clan does an operation so there is no misassumptions of what we are doing.  One thing is we are not planing to ONE PORT US.   Yes we took one port, but ya'll still have plenty of others to actually defend, but by the words in the winds we heard that Ya'll traded Bermuda for NO with the Brits and than offered all the Gulf of Mexico if they come screen and they failed at that.  So shouldn't you be looking at those making these deals as the true traitors in your nation?  You don't see those guys running off to other nations and they been the biggest problems for you nation since I was in US over a year ago.

 

26 minutes ago, Vllad said:

Getting one ported is hardly a major challenge. You can smuggle, you can put up buy orders and you can run missions even with one port. Their are plenty of greedy traders out there more than willing to help you.

If you can't build line ships then don't attack line ship ports. Go for other ports you can handle.

When we held Castries cause we didn't have any silver cause US held our silver ports in the shallows I offered to fill any buy contracts from the French that put them up.  I had so much silver it was actually a good way to make extra money and not have to haul all of it back to Kidd's.   So while we can't do contracts in enemy ports any more you can make deals with traders and get things from them.   US has never been one ported so they don't know the feeling of such, but every other  nation has been including Pirates and British. Maybe it's time for them to get close to that and get a reality check they are no longer the top dogs of the server any more.  There is way bigger threats than say Pirates or Eastern nations on the server.

18 minutes ago, Hodo said:

And there are plenty of pirates who will sit outside your greenzone waiting to catch said traders.  Or jump into their missions.   Yeah... it isnt easy not by a day in sight.

We do that to KPR and it's the biggest nation on the game and it doesn't stop us.  Though how do you know what we do or don't do?  Last I checked your British man.  Why you so worried about US any way?  I think I would be more worried about your own nations actions. Last I checked they are the ones that are taking US ports not the Pirates.  We only took one port....that is not a zerg or one porting any one.  Than again any time Pirates take one port the US/GB think we are about to zerg the map of all there ports.

[Hodo]

4 minutes ago, Vllad said:

 

There are plenty of Danes that sit outside ours. You just need to use the right tool for the right job. Good luck catching a bunch of Trader Lynx being escorted by Pickles. Pirates suffer from the same BiggestDickis problem every other sailor does. Use that to your advantage.

Seeing as that is the kind of prey I love hunting.  But most people rarely think like that or even bother to bring ships like that.  

Not to mention a T-Lynx only holds 500, 600 if you have the perk.  And when loaded like that does at best 10kn at its best point of sail.   Even my Snow can catch that.

[surfimp]

4 minutes ago, Hodo said:

Seeing as that is the kind of prey I love hunting.  But most people rarely think like that or even bother to bring ships like that.  

Not to mention a T-Lynx only holds 500, 600 if you have the perk.  And when loaded like that does at best 10kn at its best point of sail.   Even my Snow can catch that.

Yeah I think the unrated ships are the best hunters. 5th rates are OK but they require so much more investment that I'm not sure they make sense as hunters unless you're focusing exclusively on LGVs and Indiamen. Those are certainly the more lucrative but also much more rare prey.

Oh, and some TLynxes are still quite fast while laden. I've got one outfitted with some mods that will do well over 20kts in the OW while fully loaded. So, they're out there!

[Hodo]

22 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

San Mateo has coal, that is why we didn't take that region it had a major econ resources they needed and it's a lineship port but why would we take something closer to the keys for PvP hunting instead of closer to there capital?

 

If you had bothered to read my post you would see that I was talking about the possible 1 porting of the nation.  

Right now they have to sail past a well patrolled region full of pirates with cargo ships as slow as sin hauling coal and other goods to the capital where they are easy prey.  I know because even I have sailed up there in the HMS Jackalope and counted about a dozen trade ships un-escorted and slow as hell, easy targets for anyone with half a ship to catch.  

Nope instead you took a region right next to the capital for 2 reasons.

1- to prove a point with 1st rates. In other words rub their noses in that fact that you have loads they have none.  

2- Because Savannah is right next to Charleston which is prime hunting grounds for hitting noobs and carebears without having to travel far.  

 

[Hodo]

15 minutes ago, Benedict Ahhnold said:

Yeah I think the unrated ships are the best hunters. 5th rates are OK but they require so much more investment that I'm not sure they make sense as hunters unless you're focusing exclusively on LGVs and Indiamen. Those are certainly the more lucrative but also much more rare prey.

Oh, and some TLynxes are still quite fast while laden. I've got one outfitted with some mods that will do well over 20kts in the OW while fully loaded. So, they're out there!

I go by battle speed, and 20kn OW is about 10kn battle.  

Which my Snow does 22kn at 45deg into the wind OW.

[Hodo]

29 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

 

We do that to KPR and it's the biggest nation on the game and it doesn't stop us.  Though how do you know what we do or don't do?  Last I checked your British man.  Why you so worried about US any way?  I think I would be more worried about your own nations actions. Last I checked they are the ones that are taking US ports not the Pirates.  We only took one port....that is not a zerg or one porting any one.  Than again any time Pirates take one port the US/GB think we are about to zerg the map of all there ports.

I am British, and I am a privateer.  

I am also an avid hunter, who believes in conservation.   I dont believe in hunting my prey to extinction, but I am an odd person I guess.

[Vllad]

26 minutes ago, Hodo said:

Not to mention a T-Lynx only holds 500, 600 if you have the perk.  And when loaded like that does at best 10kn at its best point of sail.   Even my Snow can catch that.

Its not about speed its about direction. Any captain in a Trader Lynx that gets caught by anything other than another Lynx or Privateer should be mocked. Throw in a Pickle Escort and no one will ever catch the T Lynx. They carry 600 and you can fleet them.

T Lynx is the best over all speed for any hauler and you will average faster hauls in a T Lynx than any full rig hauler with almost zero risk.

Yes it is not 5000 space but like you said you don't have that option when the Pirates are sitting outside of your green zone. The T Lynx is the perfect blockade runner. If one is a smart captain and doesn't get himself pinned against shore and uses the wind properly you should never lose a T Lynx to combat.

Having been part of single ported nations in the past (real single ports) I have laughed at my pursuers multiple times while in a T Lynx. While the Pirates sit outside of American waters in Surprises, Trincs and Ballona's you will laugh your way to the bank while trading in complete freedom. If they bring Privateers, you bring Pickles.

You simply can't stop a nation from operating if the players just put some thought into it.

[Hodo]

26 minutes ago, Vllad said:

Its not about speed its about direction. Any captain in a Trader Lynx that gets caught by anything other than another Lynx or Privateer should be mocked. Throw in a Pickle Escort and no one will ever catch the T Lynx. They carry 600 and you can fleet them.

T Lynx is the best over all speed for any hauler and you will average faster hauls in a T Lynx than any full rig hauler with almost zero risk.

 

You simply can't stop a nation from operating if the players just put some thought into it.

I agree with you, but as a Lynx captain who uses Lynx's and Privateers as my primary hunting vessel, I can say that I doubt HIGHLY doubt that any of the players in the US nation will adapt to that.  They will quit first or switch nations, like IGG and ride on the coat tails of the "winning" side. 

And a fully loaded T-Lynx is slow, REAL slow at its best point of sail, a fir/fir with speed trim and gazel will only do 11kn maybe 12, close hauled in battle.  My Snow with just a figure head does 10.5 at that same point of sail.  

And I wont even mention my Lynx... that thing moves at the speed of smell. 

Edited July 5, 2017 by Hodo

[Vllad]

1 minute ago, Hodo said:

I agree with you, but as a Lynx captain who uses Lynx's and Privateers as my primary hunting vessel, I can say that I doubt HIGHLY doubt that any of the players in the US nation will adapt to that.  They will quit first or switch nations, like IGG and just on the coat tails of the "winning" side. 

That is the fat that needs to be trimmed. If people are going to switch sides because it got hard, those are not clans you want. In-fact it is those clans that probably lead to the problem to being with.

It is not uncommon that once zergs get punched in the face that they suddenly stop being a zerg. The same could easily happen to the Pirates and Brits on Global as well. Those people that up and move will do it every time it gets hard.

[Sir Texas Sir]

30 minutes ago, Hodo said:

If you had bothered to read my post you would see that I was talking about the possible 1 porting of the nation.  

Right now they have to sail past a well patrolled region full of pirates with cargo ships as slow as sin hauling coal and other goods to the capital where they are easy prey.  I know because even I have sailed up there in the HMS Jackalope and counted about a dozen trade ships un-escorted and slow as hell, easy targets for anyone with half a ship to catch.  

Nope instead you took a region right next to the capital for 2 reasons.

1- to prove a point with 1st rates. In other words rub their noses in that fact that you have loads they have none.  

2- Because Savannah is right next to Charleston which is prime hunting grounds for hitting noobs and carebears without having to travel far.  

 

And you didn't bother to read mine apaprently where we aren't planing to one port them.  YOUR NATION IS DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB OF THAT.  Though I don't see yo bitching at them. 

1 - Yes it was to prove a point.  Don't poke the sleeping bear that is better prepared than you and we had warned them over and over.   Not to mention they should know better from PvP2.  They had at that time over 10 ports so it wasn't like they had other ports.  Kinda the same threat we gave WO that was attacking our capital region.  We told them though we will take Cap Frances, but if they keep attacking our traders we will take PnP from you.  They stopped and we didn't take PnP (didn't have planes to at that time cause french needed the gold/silver there).   

2 - We aren't killing noobs, we are killing carebears RA running around trying to do there PvE.   Since there apparently is no PvP left in US.  Which means they need to stop trying to own every port around.   Every fight I been in around CT has been against Surprises, Frigates and Connies not basic cutters.....all of which are guys that are up there in the top ranks.   Now we do give some of the noobs credit as some of them are coming out and starting fights with us.  Kinda cool they want to fight us and not hide in port.  It's the same way in KPR.  We see a lot of little guys come out and try to fight.  We have even let these guys go after demasting them and haveing a little fun and teaching them how to manual sail.  We prob do more for these nations than there own Vets every try to do.   Come to Mort and attack one of our nations players and watch the responce team of mulit clans come out and run you off.  This is what US and GB should be doing around there capitals, but instead they run off to some other regions and hide and not protect there own.

25 minutes ago, Hodo said:

I am British, and I am a privateer.  

I am also an avid hunter, who believes in conservation.   I dont believe in hunting my prey to extinction, but I am an odd person I guess.

Again why aren't you getting onto your own nation that one ported Spain and than now is taking US down to a few regions they have on east coast.  You seem to be kinda blind on your view of things.  We TOOK ONE REGION and only one.  We have not raised any agro in any other US ports and don't plan to at this time, but you look at the US gulf regions and they all have agro from the British.  So who is the one one porting who again?

[Sir Texas Sir]

11 minutes ago, Vllad said:

That is the fat that needs to be trimmed. If people are going to switch sides because it got hard, those are not clans you want. In-fact it is those clans that probably lead to the problem to being with.

It is not uncommon that once zergs get punched in the face that they suddenly stop being a zerg. The same could easily happen to the Pirates and Brits on Global as well. Those people that up and move will do it every time it gets hard.

Yep, we see it all the time guys jump over to pirates.  Find out it's not easy as they think cause they are now in the nation every one hates and than they roll back to who ever is the other biggest nation  (tend to be US or GB depending who they came from).  Though the IGG thing is not a instant switch.  They been thinking of coming over for a good long time even before the patch.  That port battle and how other clans acted just pushed them to make the final change.   Now we have seen a few low levels from NPG and other clan come over too, but we this time have some nice small mid level clans that will pick them up.  Before the patch we didn't have the extra small clans to do that so while not big, pirates are growing.  We just aren't being stupid and rushing off to pick fights we aren't ready to fight yet.

[surfimp]

49 minutes ago, Vllad said:

Its not about speed its about direction. Any captain in a Trader Lynx that gets caught by anything other than another Lynx or Privateer should be mocked. Throw in a Pickle Escort and no one will ever catch the T Lynx. They carry 600 and you can fleet them.

T Lynx is the best over all speed for any hauler and you will average faster hauls in a T Lynx than any full rig hauler with almost zero risk.

Yes it is not 5000 space but like you said you don't have that option when the Pirates are sitting outside of your green zone. The T Lynx is the perfect blockade runner. If one is a smart captain and doesn't get himself pinned against shore and uses the wind properly you should never lose a T Lynx to combat.

Having been part of single ported nations in the past (real single ports) I have laughed at my pursuers multiple times while in a T Lynx. While the Pirates sit outside of American waters in Surprises, Trincs and Ballona's you will laugh your way to the bank while trading in complete freedom. If they bring Privateers, you bring Pickles.

You simply can't stop a nation from operating if the players just put some thought into it.

+1,000,000, all of it.

[surfimp]

40 minutes ago, Hodo said:

I agree with you, but as a Lynx captain who uses Lynx's and Privateers as my primary hunting vessel, I can say that I doubt HIGHLY doubt that any of the players in the US nation will adapt to that. 

True, people love their frigates and are loathe to give them up for the unrated vessels... which just makes that whole game at the small end of the food chain that much better.

I have played close to 600hrs now and almost all of that in 7th rates. I am rarely even pulled into battle by square riggers and have never been captured by one. A Lynx or Privateer is cheap and eminently replaceable and yet they are some of my longest-lasting ships. The Lynx's greatest danger in a combat instance is an accidental capsize while setting up a boarding of a trader. A windward shore is the only true danger in the OW, but smart planning your patrol route vis-a-vis the wind alleviates that.

TLDR the 7th and 6th rate fleets provide an infinite comeback mechanic.

[SS Minnow]

I am hoping to clear up some of the misinformation I am seeing on this post.  Its unfortunate that we get only here from the disgruntled and argumentative folks on the forum and they paint with a very large brush.  Here's some facts that might help clarify the US situation:

1. We did form a congress which is representative of all the US clans that want to participate.  We have a weighted voting system and we try to focus on weekly planning strategies since that's about the longest term that makes any sense.  Currently we have 4 main clans.  Our moderator brings up issues one at a time and we allow each clan to speak on the subject and then we evaluate the consequences and opinions in a very civil manner and vote.  We were getting along great.
2. With the departure of VCO, TF and now IGG we are short on veteran players but we still have quite a few talented and civil minded players.  It might seem toxic based on the continued ranting and name calling we typically see every day by a few bad apples.  Overall we aren't in a meltdown.  As for NPG it seems you heard that Lion will be less involved due to his new endeavour.  Daniel Silver puts a lot of effort into organizing with our crafters and coop system, negociating with other nations and clans, and will probably continue to improve with port battles.  We may try to adopt a 4 group strategy next time instead of putting all the pressure on just one battle caller.  I think Black clan does something like that.  I don't think DD will be cooperating with the rest of the clans anymore and will probably try to solo attack pirate held regions...to each his own.
3. We are crippled by a lack of conquest marks atm.  I attended every pb we ever had since the wipe and was making 7 per day.  I got up to 90 at one point and then they all got spent on aggies, blueprints, and a couple of Loceans.  The rest of the guys in the US nation barely have any CMs and it looks like we aren't going to be able to do a lineship pb for quite some time.  I got 15 CMs and will be making only 1 CM per day by this weekend so it doesn't look good.  We need to be able to feel we can replace our losses Aggies and lineships if we are gonna sail them.  Hope that makes sense.
4. Taking Savanah wasn't such a horrible thing IMHO as it has given us a chance to improve on PVP teamwork.  I see a lot of new pirate names patrolling and some lower ranks as well which is great for everyone to learn the tactics.  I think in a week or so other dynamics will begin that may draw the pirates to defend against the brits and maybe at that point we both will feel we've had enough PVP practice around our capital for a while.  It does put a damper on moving trade goods around and doing missions is quite risky.  So in some ways its helping us get some skills but in other ways its keeping us crippled and falling further behind.

 

So just wanted to share my overview of the US situation at the moment and hope we can all move on with good sportsmanship and enjoy the battles to come.  Good luck to you all and happy sails!

[Hodo]

50 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

And you didn't bother to read mine apaprently where we aren't planing to one port them.  YOUR NATION IS DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB OF THAT.  Though I don't see yo bitching at them. 

1 - Yes it was to prove a point.  Don't poke the sleeping bear that is better prepared than you and we had warned them over and over.   Not to mention they should know better from PvP2.  They had at that time over 10 ports so it wasn't like they had other ports.  Kinda the same threat we gave WO that was attacking our capital region.  We told them though we will take Cap Frances, but if they keep attacking our traders we will take PnP from you.  They stopped and we didn't take PnP (didn't have planes to at that time cause french needed the gold/silver there).   

2 - We aren't killing noobs, we are killing carebears RA running around trying to do there PvE.   Since there apparently is no PvP left in US.  Which means they need to stop trying to own every port around.   Every fight I been in around CT has been against Surprises, Frigates and Connies not basic cutters.....all of which are guys that are up there in the top ranks.   Now we do give some of the noobs credit as some of them are coming out and starting fights with us.  Kinda cool they want to fight us and not hide in port.  It's the same way in KPR.  We see a lot of little guys come out and try to fight.  We have even let these guys go after demasting them and haveing a little fun and teaching them how to manual sail.  We prob do more for these nations than there own Vets every try to do.   Come to Mort and attack one of our nations players and watch the responce team of mulit clans come out and run you off.  This is what US and GB should be doing around there capitals, but instead they run off to some other regions and hide and not protect there own.

Again why aren't you getting onto your own nation that one ported Spain and than now is taking US down to a few regions they have on east coast.  You seem to be kinda blind on your view of things.  We TOOK ONE REGION and only one.  We have not raised any agro in any other US ports and don't plan to at this time, but you look at the US gulf regions and they all have agro from the British.  So who is the one one porting who again?

The guys from GB who are taking the gulf are retaking what they had taken previously, and that is part of an agreement.  That I was not privy to.  

Next, you think highly of yourself.  Poking a sleeping bear... okay.

None of those RAs in 5th rates, are much better than noobs anyway.  Hell even Diceman who is here on these forums is a "vet" and yet I picked apart his T-Brig that was armed, with relative ease while in my Lynx.    

 

Oh and as for Spain.. dont pin that on the US or GB, because everyone on this server has had a piece of Spain, except the Spanish.

[Vllad]

44 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Yep, we see it all the time guys jump over to pirates.  Find out it's not easy as they think cause they are now in the nation every one hates and than they roll back to who ever is the other biggest nation  (tend to be US or GB depending who they came from).  Though the IGG thing is not a instant switch.  They been thinking of coming over for a good long time even before the patch.  

Agreed, not everything is equal however if a clan is moving from one zerg to another they generally are not who you want on your side when you are small or go through hard times.

The clans you don't want to lose are the ones that would join Spain or the Swedes. Those are the kind of guys you need when the going gets tough.

[Sir Texas Sir]

21 minutes ago, SS Minnow said:

I am hoping to clear up some of the misinformation I am seeing on this post.  Its unfortunate that we get only here from the disgruntled and argumentative folks on the forum and they paint with a very large brush.  Here's some facts that might help clarify the US situation:

1. We did form a congress which is representative of all the US clans that want to participate.  We have a weighted voting system and we try to focus on weekly planning strategies since that's about the longest term that makes any sense.  Currently we have 4 main clans.  Our moderator brings up issues one at a time and we allow each clan to speak on the subject and then we evaluate the consequences and opinions in a very civil manner and vote.  We were getting along great.
2. With the departure of VCO, TF and now IGG we are short on veteran players but we still have quite a few talented and civil minded players.  It might seem toxic based on the continued ranting and name calling we typically see every day by a few bad apples.  Overall we aren't in a meltdown.  As for NPG it seems you heard that Lion will be less involved due to his new endeavour.  Daniel Silver puts a lot of effort into organizing with our crafters and coop system, negociating with other nations and clans, and will probably continue to improve with port battles.  We may try to adopt a 4 group strategy next time instead of putting all the pressure on just one battle caller.  I think Black clan does something like that.  I don't think DD will be cooperating with the rest of the clans anymore and will probably try to solo attack pirate held regions...to each his own.
3. We are crippled by a lack of conquest marks atm.  I attended every pb we ever had since the wipe and was making 7 per day.  I got up to 90 at one point and then they all got spent on aggies, blueprints, and a couple of Loceans.  The rest of the guys in the US nation barely have any CMs and it looks like we aren't going to be able to do a lineship pb for quite some time.  I got 15 CMs and will be making only 1 CM per day by this weekend so it doesn't look good.  We need to be able to feel we can replace our losses Aggies and lineships if we are gonna sail them.  Hope that makes sense.
4. Taking Savanah wasn't such a horrible thing IMHO as it has given us a chance to improve on PVP teamwork.  I see a lot of new pirate names patrolling and some lower ranks as well which is great for everyone to learn the tactics.  I think in a week or so other dynamics will begin that may draw the pirates to defend against the brits and maybe at that point we both will feel we've had enough PVP practice around our capital for a while.  It does put a damper on moving trade goods around and doing missions is quite risky.  So in some ways its helping us get some skills but in other ways its keeping us crippled and falling further behind.

 

So just wanted to share my overview of the US situation at the moment and hope we can all move on with good sportsmanship and enjoy the battles to come.  Good luck to you all and happy sails!

Thanks Minnow we been waiting for some of the more level headed folks that actually deal with US and is in the nation to speak up.  Any one notice the majority of the post in here aren't from US players about what has happen.  I think some of them need to just butt out of affairs that doesn't matter to there nation.   Very well put post and I'll be honest pirates are willing to talk and help US in these times if they are willing to come to us and talk.  We aren't going to make demands or take regions from you.   We want ya'll to clean house and grow once more.  I think this was a good thing for the nation to get to a spot where they can better do such.   Ya'll know I been preaching for months the only way things will change is if the nations them selves make the changes. One of them is stop ridding on each other shirt tails.   US will only be strong once more when it can fight for it self.   How many times has pirates been down to one port or just one or two regions and bounced right back?   I wish best of luck for ya'll and if it's just DD clan being a rogue clan and acting up we can deal with them.  That just means easy pickings for PvP.   We won't give you easy mode and this isn't PvP2 any more. It's a new game.

Want to add early one of our guys saw several war ships escorting a trader (MARS CLAN).   We think they might of been going to Bermuda, but this is exactly the things that shows improvements.   Ya'll need to work as a team and become stronger.   We where loosing traders left and right the first weeks in our own capital region cause of French/British Privateers raiding us, we put a stop to that by telling every one to get an escort or not to do trade in game prime time.   Folks still get tagged here or there, but it does't happen as often as it did that first week or two. Hell I lost 2 trader brigs and a surprise the first week of the patch.  

[Sir Texas Sir]

19 minutes ago, Hodo said:

The guys from GB who are taking the gulf are retaking what they had taken previously, and that is part of an agreement.  That I was not privy to.  

Next, you think highly of yourself.  Poking a sleeping bear... okay.

None of those RAs in 5th rates, are much better than noobs anyway.  Hell even Diceman who is here on these forums is a "vet" and yet I picked apart his T-Brig that was armed, with relative ease while in my Lynx.    

 

Oh and as for Spain.. dont pin that on the US or GB, because everyone on this server has had a piece of Spain, except the Spanish.

They weren't the only ones that took those ports.  I know a good number of US players that are still around and was still getting CM marks, but that doesn't matter now since apparently VCO and TF are claiming the gulf.  Maybe when US gets back on it's feet it will only have to deal with those two clans when they take those regions back.   Since doesn't seem like to many of the other clans in GB want to mess with anything above KPR.

Funny aren't you describing exactly what you do?  So aren't you the one running around baby seal clubbing since you won't get out of the kiddie pool or get into big ships for the most part?  I have taken an Indianman with a Basic cutter so killing a Tbirg with a lynx realy isn't much bragging rights man.

As for Spain did US or GB really have to roll and take all of the GoM ports?   I mean the US I could see taking up to NO/Texas, but they honestly don't need all the other ports.  Same with British they have tons of regions all ready.  There was no reason other than greed to take all those regions.  If some clan decided to roll Spain it would of been nice to have some regions set aside for the new folks that logged in not knowing the state of that nation to actually own and use.   Instead the big nations have this stance that they have to grab every dot on the map or someone else would.   

For some one that doesn't do RvR you sure butt your nose into it a lot.  

[Teutonic]

9 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

They weren't the only ones that took those ports.  I know a good number of US players that are still around and was still getting CM marks, but that doesn't matter now since apparently VCO and TF are claiming the gulf.  Maybe when US gets back on it's feet it will only have to deal with those two clans when they take those regions back.   Since doesn't seem like to many of the other clans in GB want to mess with anything above KPR.

Funny aren't you describing exactly what you do?  So aren't you the one running around baby seal clubbing since you won't get out of the kiddie pool or get into big ships for the most part?  I have taken an Indianman with a Basic cutter so killing a Tbirg with a lynx realy isn't much bragging rights man.

As for Spain did US or GB really have to roll and take all of the GoM ports?   I mean the US I could see taking up to NO/Texas, but they honestly don't need all the other ports.  Same with British they have tons of regions all ready.  There was no reason other than greed to take all those regions.  If some clan decided to roll Spain it would of been nice to have some regions set aside for the new folks that logged in not knowing the state of that nation to actually own and use.   Instead the big nations have this stance that they have to grab every dot on the map or someone else would.   

For some one that doesn't do RvR you sure butt your nose into it a lot.  

I'll throw it back to you. the Pirates took Spanish ports. Why aren't the pirates letting Spain have ports either?

you can't reasonably expect the us or Brits to give spanish ports back to spain while they witness the pirates taking spanish ports and not giving it back either. You really can't blame them for taking ports when you're nation also took ports. Want to make an example for the other guys? give a port back to the spanish. if the Us or Brits take it, then you can holler and hoot all day long about it. Until then, the Us and Brits....and every single nation were doing the same thing you were doing, taking land that others weren't using.

Edited July 5, 2017 by Teutonic

[Hodo]

 

21 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

They weren't the only ones that took those ports.  I know a good number of US players that are still around and was still getting CM marks, but that doesn't matter now since apparently VCO and TF are claiming the gulf.  Maybe when US gets back on it's feet it will only have to deal with those two clans when they take those regions back.   Since doesn't seem like to many of the other clans in GB want to mess with anything above KPR.

Funny aren't you describing exactly what you do?  So aren't you the one running around baby seal clubbing since you won't get out of the kiddie pool or get into big ships for the most part?  I have taken an Indianman with a Basic cutter so killing a Tbirg with a lynx realy isn't much bragging rights man.

As for Spain did US or GB really have to roll and take all of the GoM ports?   I mean the US I could see taking up to NO/Texas, but they honestly don't need all the other ports.  Same with British they have tons of regions all ready.  There was no reason other than greed to take all those regions.  If some clan decided to roll Spain it would of been nice to have some regions set aside for the new folks that logged in not knowing the state of that nation to actually own and use.   Instead the big nations have this stance that they have to grab every dot on the map or someone else would.   

For some one that doesn't do RvR you sure butt your nose into it a lot.  

So  you are saying because I sail around in a Lynx or a Privateer, and do an actual historical representation of a privateer, that I am not a man?  LOL that's rich, I expected more of you than childish insults like that.

And I dont see you taking a T-Brig that is armed while sailing in a Lynx, or taking a Pickle or an Indefat.  

As a matter a fact I dont see you sailing any thing smaller than a 5th rate, and a heavy 5th rate at that.   You scared or over compensating? 

Edited July 5, 2017 by Hodo

[Bach]

1 hour ago, SS Minnow said:

I am hoping to clear up some of the misinformation I am seeing on this post.  Its unfortunate that we get only here from the disgruntled and argumentative folks on the forum and they paint with a very large brush.  Here's some facts that might help clarify the US situation:

1. We did form a congress which is representative of all the US clans that want to participate.  We have a weighted voting system and we try to focus on weekly planning strategies since that's about the longest term that makes any sense.  Currently we have 4 main clans.  Our moderator brings up issues one at a time and we allow each clan to speak on the subject and then we evaluate the consequences and opinions in a very civil manner and vote.  We were getting along great.

So just wanted to share my overview of the US situation at the moment and hope we can all move on with good sportsmanship and enjoy the battles to come.  Good luck to you all and happy sails!

You have isolated down to the non-quitters. For the most part that is the start of a new beginning. But you also need to adjust your way of thinking and from the remainder of your post I don't think you are there yet.

Former problems- 

USA got greedy. You shouldn't have attacked the French holdings in the Gulf. It provided a natural buffer to the British and removed a potential future ally.  The same is true for attacking pirate holdings in the Keys. By taking the entire coast from Florida to Texas you decided for them that Pirates and France wouldnt be your allies.  

Pirates were always going to be your friend or foe but never neutral for long.  You needed a solid plan from day one to either fight them or ally with them.  USA seem to be trying to do both. You took more land than you needed or were ever going to be able to defend.

New suggestions:

CMs aren't a problem.  When the US congress approached Joshua Humphrey to build a navy for the fledgling USA they were shocked when he refused to build SOLs. Instead he built them the Constitution class frigates.  The same reason Humprey did that is pretty much the same problem you have in the game now.  So stop thinking about SOLs as primary weapons.

John Paul Jones was not well liked. He also wasn't a good politician or merchant.  But what he was is a great naval commander.  The revolutionary war congress understood backing him was far better than arguing or ignoring him.  Hurt feelings took a back seat to war success.  Somehow you need to get the USA nation in game to recognize players that succeed in battle and give them backing.  Econ is great. Logistics are vital to war. But in the end someone has to sail the ships and lead the battles. The best man for the job just might not be winning any popularity contests.

Edited July 5, 2017 by Bach

[Sir Texas Sir]

30 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

I'll throw it back to you. the Pirates took Spanish ports. Why aren't the pirates letting Spain have ports either?

you can't reasonably expect the us or Brits to give spanish ports back to spain while they witness the pirates taking spanish ports and not giving it back either. You really can't blame them for taking ports when you're nation also took ports. Want to make an example for the other guys? give a port back to the spanish. if the Us or Brits take it, then you can holler and hoot all day long about it. Until then, the Us and Brits....and every single nation were doing the same thing you were doing, taking land that others weren't using.

When VCO and TF was thinking of going Spain we offered to give them Santa Fe (shallows below Cuba) and Remidios if they where to make the change.  We took 3 Spanish ports and that was way before the US/GB even got into the Gulf so don't try to pull that card as the reason they took the WHOLE GULF.  We took the last two after US and GB started to get into the gulf.  For a total of 5 regions only.  We didn't over extend our selves either.  We took what we can protect from our home base.

18 minutes ago, Hodo said:

 

So  you are saying because I sail around in a Lynx or a Privateer, and do an actual historical representation of a privateer, that I am not a man?  LOL that's rich, I expected more of you than childish insults like that.

And I dont see you taking a T-Brig that is armed while sailing in a Lynx, or taking a Pickle or an Indefat.  

As a matter a fact I dont see you sailing any thing smaller than a 5th rate, and a heavy 5th rate at that.   You scared or over compensating? 

I never said your not a man?  Where the hell you get that?  I just said if your going to get involved with the big politics than you should be involved with and not running around in a small ship and not being part of it.  You love to butt your business into play your don't even do.  

And for your info I sail around in a privateer all the time and hunt in the shallows.  The problems is I use my other Pirate that is set up for speed ships and shallows. His largest ships is a Surprise until recently I made him a Speed Bucc to help with home defense.  Texas I use for PB's and heavy ships.  That is my play styles.  Just like you have yours.

But why are you in a post about US and Pirates RvR making statements about things that has nothing to do with that other than the fact you like to troll?

 

Edited July 5, 2017 by Sir Texas Sir