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Just now, Cabral said:

 "That a single clan like Vltra is able to achieve all this...", sorry but you forgeting the help you had from a certain pirate clan in getting CM's and ports switched. Don't be ungratfull.

The best help was defeat brits in Santiago... 

But... What about British fake attacks to danish ports??  And danish flipping brits ports this week??? 

Cabral, stop crying pls.

Obrigado. 

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I'm sorry to say, but I think devs might have already fulfilled your war goal for you. Relative to their population, brits access to conquest marks is abysmal.

To be clear. There is no greater desire to me in this game, than to fight against Brits. But I want to sink (or capture) HMS Victory, not HMS Basic Cutter or HMS Cerberus.

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Just now, rediii said:

Then you have no war goal i guess?

If someone on this server has no capacity for RvR it's the brits. :D 

Let's not forget the US. Easy thing to do, I know. :P

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4 minutes ago, rediii said:

Then you have no war goal i guess?

If someone on this server has no capacity for RvR it's the brits. :D 

 Is like I said before, this war declaration is ridiculous. They just want to destroy a weaker nation to feel good about themselves.

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1 minute ago, Jorge said:

Remember Santiago?? 3rd day after wipe? 25 brits vs 25 Spanish? Full pb battle... Brits lost.....sorry.

We had to go out and fight cause we, unlike every other nation, had no coal to even put long guns on our ships.

The British nation started out with a handicap from the very beginning and we never recovered from that. You can organise a 3rd class football team as good as you want, if you're up against Real Madrid its going to be the same end result every time. We simply don't have the CM, nor the ships to be of any challenge at the moment.

If you guys want to settle an old score thats fine, but I think the guys you want to settle a score with are on the global server mate. 

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7 hours ago, Senhor Lenhador said:

His Most Catholic Majesty

The King of Spain

And of the Oriental and Occidental Indies

Announces Through His Viceregal Representatives

The Most Noble and August Clan:

VLTRA

Henceforth and without exception VLTRA refuses to deal diplomatically with the any and all clans of the British faction except through means of war. There will be no surrender accepted, no quarter given and no line that will not be crossed in our pursuit of nothing less than the complete destruction of this faction's capacity for RvR.

 

VLTRA had previously been at war with the British and were aware of their weaknesses.  VLTRA held off attacking ports for several weeks because of this and entered into several talks with representatives of the British Council.  Balancing the desire for PvP and wanting to ensure that player bases aren't adversely affected is difficult.  There are always times when things could be done better but we always tried to enter negotiations in good faith and in a way that would be healthy for our new server.  What happened today was disgraceful and the lack of any British Council presence in their Nation Chat or Global Chat condemning what at the very least is against the spirit of the game is something that should give the faction much to reflect upon.   Alea Iacta Est.

 

PLVS VLTRA

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ive printed this off .. on nice soft paper .....will use later when needed its all its fit for ..

So Lord Vicious  has deemed to send his puppets in first ....good tactics LV :)

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That a single clan like Vltra is able to achieve all this, makes clear what the English problem is, try to see too far and do not see the hole in front of them.

you have achieved nothing so far ..apart from giving away the north of cuba

 

Bring it on Spain ...

 

 

 

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Lol a lot of unjustified cock crowing on here, Dev's dropped a clanger at wipe :), Spanish port flipping with Sorry and another dropped clanger with the reintroduction of CM pensions is what has given Spain the advantage, Santiago is a non issue.

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Santiago was a bit of a 'hello kitty up'. However at that point the British on EU had no chance anymore. Lack of resources meant being stuck on mediums, lack of resources also meant endless time needed to build simple ships, lack of amrks while the enemy now has them means facing bigger ships which is like an auto win for the big ships and that is made worse by Jamaica being THE ganker target for several nations at once. Honestly after Santiago the Brits on EU could've stopped playing as there was no way from recovering from that single battle.

Hell even on global us Brits have resource problems hence why we relocated the capital. Devs/the resource distribution has hello kittyed us over royally and the constant attacks on our new players around KPR with entire fleets means free PvP marks for our enemies.

Also our attacks on Spain were always only aimed for the south side of Cuba and the east of the Yucatan - anything beyond that always only had the point of creating fights for entertainment. Spain only got one port because they just didn't log in until the attacks where over.

But you have fun crushing the Brits on EU just don't expect any fight out of it as they won't send anything but lynxs against you - would be a waste otherwise.

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34 minutes ago, rediii said:

That's pure bullshit lol

Just use the mediums for what they are good for. Close combat.

Also sweden and the dutch had a long time no coal. Swedens diplo approach got rejected so we took it in a war.

 

The british mistake was to not attack santiago again asap after they lost but that's a different topic.

Mediums lose to longs 90% of the time. And after the first attack the enemy had bigger ships which means close quarters fleet on fleet would be suicide. Also nobody was able to launch another attack fast enough as surprise surprise nobody had money for cannons or new ships. The real mistake was not to attack Cartagena from day one and then use its stronghold position to dig in. Either way Brits were hello kittyed when it came to resources and the northern end would've eventually been overrun.

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anyone who thinks the outcome of this war is a foregone conclusion is kidding themselves. The wipe wasn't long ago, mechanics and balancing are constantly being changed and there's a HUGE difference in numbers between one clan and the most populous faction on the server. The Brits just need to put in the most miniscule amount of effort and organisation and things will already be in their favour. So pull your socks up GB and give us decent PvP and don't look around for cheap exploits.

Also for the record. Spain's CM lead came from defending Santiago, defending Cartagena and taking New Orleans. All contested or screened battles and all played in the spirit of the game.

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1 minute ago, Senhor Lenhador said:

anyone who thinks the outcome of this war is a foregone conclusion is kidding themselves. The wipe wasn't long ago, mechanics and balancing are constantly being changed and there's a HUGE difference in numbers between one clan and the most populous faction on the server. The Brits just need to put in the most miniscule amount of effort and organisation and things will already be in their favour. So pull your socks up GB.

Also for the record. Spain's CM lead came from defending Santiago, defending Cartagena and taking New Orleans. All contested or screened battles and all played in the spirit of the game.

The only advice we may need from you is how to cry effectively when we lose ... you cant even win without whining about something ...

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Senhor Lenhador said:

anyone who thinks the outcome of this war is a foregone conclusion is kidding themselves. The wipe wasn't long ago, mechanics and balancing are constantly being changed and there's a HUGE difference in numbers between one clan and the most populous faction on the server. The Brits just need to put in the most miniscule amount of effort and organisation and things will already be in their favour. So pull your socks up GB and give us decent PvP and don't look around for cheap exploits.

Also for the record. Spain's CM lead came from defending Santiago, defending Cartagena and taking New Orleans. All contested or screened battles and all played in the spirit of the game.

Bullshit. Easy to talk like that when all resources are practically on your door step and marks are handed to you. People don't ahve hours on end to sail around for resources!

Also do I see this right that you declare a war in repsonse to Brits way of reacting to you already attacking them? In other words you attack a nation and then complain about them fighting back with what they got? That is like the weakest and most bullshit decleration of war ever!

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1 hour ago, Aegir said:

Punitive measures, sure, but to declare a "total war" for something like this is really pathetic.

And seeing how people act when finally in a position of strength is a good judge of character.

To know the true character, you don't look at how he/ she/ it treats his equals.

You look at how he/ she/ it treats those that it deems subject or less than them.

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5 minutes ago, rediii said:

Everytime i read something from the brits which basicly says "we give up" i want to throw up.

Ressources -> other nations had the same problems

Ganks -> You think KPR is the only ganked capital?

It was days after the wipe. How many agas could they have built there? Also mediums win easy at close range broadside to broadside. Adjust your tactics. to the material you have. Also santiago was close, you just hello kittyed up that battle because you wasted 40 minutes or so doing basicly nothing

How many indefs did you lose in that battle? 3?

 

Also now all i can read, except grudgemonkey, is that you give up before it even started without even using your possibilities to turn this into your favor. What british nation suffers the most of is the lack of spirit, organization and probably even ideas

 It's easy to say that when you have your docks full of Bellonas and Agas.

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8 hours ago, Senhor Lenhador said:

His Most Catholic Majesty

The King of Spain

And of the Oriental and Occidental Indies

Announces Through His Viceregal Representatives

The Most Noble and August Clan:

VLTRA

Henceforth and without exception VLTRA refuses to deal diplomatically with the any and all clans of the British faction except through means of war. There will be no surrender accepted, no quarter given and no line that will not be crossed in our pursuit of nothing less than the complete destruction of this faction's capacity for RvR.

 

VLTRA had previously been at war with the British and were aware of their weaknesses.  VLTRA held off attacking ports for several weeks because of this and entered into several talks with representatives of the British Council.  Balancing the desire for PvP and wanting to ensure that player bases aren't adversely affected is difficult.  There are always times when things could be done better but we always tried to enter negotiations in good faith and in a way that would be healthy for our new server.  What happened today was disgraceful and the lack of any British Council presence in their Nation Chat or Global Chat condemning what at the very least is against the spirit of the game is something that should give the faction much to reflect upon.   Alea Iacta Est.

 

PLVS VLTRA

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Talk about kicking a nation when it's already down on it's knees.

Due to gross imbalance, "Seal Clubbing" is all this will be amounting to.

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1 minute ago, rediii said:

Everytime i read something from the brits which basicly says "we give up" i want to throw up.

Ressources -> other nations had the same problems

Ganks -> You think KPR is the only ganked capital?

It was days after the wipe. How many agas could they have built there? Also mediums win easy at close range broadside to broadside. Adjust your tactics. to the material you have. Also santiago was close, you just hello kittyed up that battle because you wasted 40 minutes or so doing basicly nothing

How many indefs did you lose in that battle? 3?

 

Also now all i can read, except grudgemonkey, is that you give up before it even started without even using your possibilities to turn this into your favor. What british nation suffers the most of is the lack of spirit, organization and probably even ideas

We give up is a response to looking at first rates when your best ship is a bloody 4th rate. Why do you think there are only 4th rate ports left for Brits?!

True resources are a common problem with the only difference that to supplement the missing ones we ahve to go to Panama or the likes which means a 2hour investment . Half the nation can't do that!

We are the only nation that is 24/7 ganked by at least 4 nations (Currently Pirates, Spanish, Danes and Swedes). Other capitals are either maxed at 2 nations ganking or generally miles away from other nations. So yes the ganking problem is different for the Brits.

British nation lacks ships, materials, marks msot of all. Spirit is there and so are ideas but they are limited by the fact that Brits would go guerilla and annoy the living shit out of all nations in small ships as that is all thats left. You are right about one thing though - organisation is buggered. This is mostly down to the RvR lot being much much smaller then the GB population. Half the time British pubbies do nothing or are even coutner productive to the efforts. The acutal RvR lot is quite organised as the Global server would show you where the majority is actually involved in the RvR but on EU there is too much rabble runnign around to maintain good order.

 

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Ego, Inocencio Botijo

Metropolitan Archbishop of Habana, Supreme Inquisitor General of the Western Hemisphere, ultimate theological and spiritual authority of the Caribbean sea, and its adjacent lands, Pastor of Souls, inflexible and relentless prosecutor of heresy, apostasy, witchcraft, sodomy, anglicanism and other abhorrent practices in the lands and waters under my jurisdiction.

By the powers invested in me by His Holiness the Pope of Rome, and the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and His Majesty the King of Spain.

Considering

That Henry Tudor, illegitimate king of england, moved by his lecherous desire for carnal copulation with the lascivious Anne Boyle, committed the abhorrent murder of the valiant Spanish aunt of our King, Catalina de Aragón, and decided to become an apostate, renouncing the Catholic faith and creating the so called anglican church to fulfill his lustful desire for carnal communion and power, his greed for the legitimate God-given possessions of the Holy Catholic Church and escape the wrath of God and his representatives on Earth.

That the English nation, its population and especially english navy captains are well known for their crude and indecent behaviour, libidinous and impure morality, lack of hygiene, sodomitic acts committed against powder, chorus and altar boys, crapulence, drunkenness, adultery, immoderate fornication, whoremongering, filthy uncleanliness and innumerable other vices, abominable sins and acts against humanity and God's laws.

That the courageous and gallant Spanish nation has tirelessly endured a relentless war of attrition committed by cowardly english pirates against our honest and laborious traders, brave and heroic recruits, and noble captains, always ganging up against the weak and avoiding equal and honourable battles.

That, in response to the cowardice and ungentlemanly behaviour of the mentioned english, and in pursuit of the greater good of the population of the possessions of the King our Lord, to eradicate all traces of sin, apostasy, anglicanism and other loathsome, detestable cults in the Spanish Caribbean, I ordered long ago the massive deployment of the forces of my most honourable and brave Military Order of the Santa Hermandad, in the waters surrounding the pestilent island of Jamaica and other ignoble illegitimate possessions of the so called King of England.

That, my Santa Hermandad captains have waged for months a relentless war against the english nation, in which, sustaining light losses, have captured, sunk or set ablaze countless ships, and looted their holds out of immense riches and fabulous treasures, causing the ruin of many rapacious english traders and spineless english captains.

That, despite the fabulous bounty, and the tireless efforts of the noble indians working ad hominem in the Archbishopric plantations, the sale of delicious pastry and other services by the chaste and humble Little Sisters of the Holy Mojito, the offer of excellent, inexpensive and economical indulgences to cleanse all sins and grant eternal salvation, and the vigorous activities of my Holy Spanish Inquisition officers, to prosecute and deprive of their earthly possessions heretics, apostates, wizards and witches, and other ungodly creatures; the expenses of my personal war against the english have rendered THE ARCHBISHOPRIC COFFERS TOTALLY EMPTY.

I welcome

The announcement made by H.M. the King of Spain, by delegation to the spokesperson of the mighty and noble clan ULTRA, of their just and befitting intentions to join the Military Order of the Santa Hermandad in waging a merciless war against the decadent and ignoble english.

and declare

That, taking into account the above mentioned considerations, this war is complies fully with the criteria of the jus ad bellum and jus in bello  and therefore, in accordance to the teachings of the Holy Mother Catholic Church, the tradition of de bellis iustis and with fully justified theological, ethical and spiritual reasons, that this war is necessary and just to eradicate evil and sin from the waters of the Caribbean, embodied in the english faction.

It is, in consequence a Just and Holy War, Bellum Iustum et Sacrum.

And so it is my desire that this proclamation is written and published in the city of Habana, in the year of our lord of etc etc.

Ego Inocencio botijo Catholicae Ecclesiae Episcopus, in nomine Patri, et Filii et Spiritu Sanctu, Amen.

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5 minutes ago, Don Inocencio Botijo said:

That the King of England, moved by his lecherous desire for carnal copulation with the lascivious Anne Boyle, committed the abhorrent murder of the valiant Spanish aunt of our King, Catalina de Aragón

You're a few centuries off with those facts mate.

 

Catherine of Aragon (Spanish: Catalina de Aragón), also spelled Katherine, (16 December 1485 – 7 January 1536) was Queen of England from June 1509 until May 1533

That is the 16th century.

 

This game takes place during the 18th and early 19th century.

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8 minutes ago, Yngvarr said:

You're a few centuries off with those facts mate.

 

Catherine of Aragon (Spanish: Catalina de Aragón), also spelled Katherine, (16 December 1485 – 7 January 1536) was Queen of England from June 1509 until May 1533

That is the 16th century.

 

This game takes place during the 18th and early 19th century.

Is that all you have to say?

Thank you for your precision, I will erase my post in shame.

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5 minutes ago, Otto Kohl said:

Nearest coal port is 2,5-3h sail there and back ;).

And what port would that be?

Kemp's Bay or Rum Cove?

 

Kemp's Bay is a port you've started with since the wipe, meaning you've had access to Coal since the beginning.

Same for Silver and Gold.

 

So, you really can't say that you did not have any advantage over other nations.

 

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Just now, Otto Kohl said:

Our greatest advantage is organization. Its clearly the biggest issue for GB nation, not the resources.

I shall not disagree that the British nation seems very fractured and disorganized.

 

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