Exploits that need Closing

[Christendom]

3 US nation alts by pirate members got into the port battle.  The alts were confirmed to be pirate by a member of your clan later in a battle after the PB.  You/your clan was seen escorting these players up to the battle and then attempted to screened US players out to get slots for those 3 pirates alts.  This is some shady shit and I believe a tribunal offense.  

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/784037287455485118/7AA446E1F2C44EA50E6E0411A5AD2F67E824693F/

Wish list is confirmed to be Jobaset's alt, I believe self admitted on his stream. 

Brag and bolster about your prowess in port battles, but you, your clan and your friends are resorting to shady tactics to get conquest marks.  Shame.    

I suggest you get with these players, you know who they are.  Right now I am one the reasons why there is not an official US/Brit/Dutch alliance again on this server because I believe in fair play and the health of the server.  This is not fair play.  If those alts are seen in our battles again and I see BLACK members escorting them, my position on the alliance will change.  

The ball is in your court.  Fight us fairly.  

Edited June 5, 2017 by Christendom

[SS Minnow]

Ah Ok so slipping alts into port battles is a valid part of the game...guess everyone should buy more alts...have fun I guess.

[Sir Texas Sir]

2 minutes ago, Drakedge said:

Because that first battle with Demic was before the Conquest change. There were no passive marks at the time.

Actually it is not we get conquest marks from that port battle.  We still have no clue why he left.  Though I take a bet he wasn't expecting us to show and wanted the easy points.

[Drakedge]

2 minutes ago, Christendom said:

3 US nation alts by pirate members got into the port battle.  The alts were confirmed to be pirate by a member of your clan later in a battle after the PB.  You/your clan was seen escorting these players up to the battle and then attempted to screened US players out to get slots for those 3 pirates alts.  This is some shady shit and I believe a tribunal offense.  

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/784037287455485118/7AA446E1F2C44EA50E6E0411A5AD2F67E824693F/

Wish list is confirmed to be Jobaset's alt, I believe self admitted on his stream. 

Brag and bolster about your prowess in port battles, but you, your clan and your friends are resorting to shady tactics to get conquest marks.  Shame.    

I suggest you get with these players, you know who they are.  Right now I am one the reasons why there is not an official US/Brit/Dutch alliance again on this server because I'm attempting to stick to fair play.  This is not fair play.  If those alts are seen in our battles again and I see BLACK members escorting them, my position on the alliance will change.

Precisely. But again Texas, feel free to ignore the facts. Cause apparently one botched battle is enough to judge us by, and not the 1,000s before it. 

[Drakedge]

2 minutes ago, SS Minnow said:

Ah Ok so slipping alts into port battles is a valid part of the game...guess everyone should buy more alts...have fun I guess.

If the game was further along than it is, I would go buy 10 of them right now since apparently this is seen as a legit tactic. Then I would just farm CP through blocking out rats specifically. Wouldn't be hard to grind hostility with that many alts anyway.

[Wish List]

You guys are a Trip "Everyone is a ALT" ........F that I am a US player with a Clan That has a Nonaggression Pack with the"Most" Pirates.  Why did I do this.... Some of Stupidest leaders of The US could not Accept me as a US player.  I am a US player "NOW" and I (me Cathy) have kill more players than all of the So Called US "ELITE" Leaders Combined.  

When I decided to join the US I knew I would have some problems with a few..... But come on it is way to easy as a US Player and I am on hard 2 weeks and light for 2 weeks why I Joined them.  But the harsh language I have taken over this weekend from some of the US Elite was to much.  I had to watch the Pirate Port battle Vid since I had my mother over I could not go and had more than enough points to join instantly. I had questions for the Leaders and/or who called the port battle.

 
What did I get 2 hours of name calling.  What happened after that...... US Hero's was born.  When you are ready to learn how to fight and or do port battle "RIGHT" send me a in game email to join the Clan.  The days of the US idiots in charge is now ending.  Should have trusted me when I tried to help but you didn't.....Life will Suck for most of you now....Why because guess what The Pirate's Love me and Fear me.....NOT any of you .  Now they don't Have to fear my Clan. SO GET OVER IT.  We will not raise a Sail in a Pirate Battle (for now) I may have to kill Duncan when I see him......

Edited June 5, 2017 by Wish List

[Sir Texas Sir]

17 minutes ago, Christendom said:

3 US nation alts by pirate members got into the port battle.  The alts were confirmed to be pirate by a member of your clan later in a battle after the PB.  You/your clan was seen escorting these players up to the battle and then attempted to screened US players out to get slots for those 3 pirates alts.  This is some shady shit and I believe a tribunal offense.  

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/784037287455485118/7AA446E1F2C44EA50E6E0411A5AD2F67E824693F/

Wish list is confirmed to be Jobaset's alt, I believe self admitted on his stream. 

Brag and bolster about your prowess in port battles, but you, your clan and your friends are resorting to shady tactics to get conquest marks.  Shame.    

I suggest you get with these players, you know who they are.  Right now I am one the reasons why there is not an official US/Brit/Dutch alliance again on this server because I'm attempting to stick to fair play.  This is not fair play.  If those alts are seen in our battles again and I see BLACK members escorting them, my position on the alliance will change.

I will talk to our guys, but remember Jobaset is not a member of BLACK and none of the officers I know was over there. The guys with him was just hunting and getting PvP on OW cause we knew you had a port battle at that time. So will find out if they knew about him doing it just to get his chars in.   I do agree it's shady myself and I don't think it should be used to do something like this.    Just telling the others though if they want to prevent things like this than they need to get a screening fleet and make sure they get the agro and not pulled into a battle and get sunk. They where afk for an hour before the Key West battle.  If we had all got on an hour early we could of came out and crushed them before that battle even started.  We did sink a suprsie and hurt a lot of them cause of this.  It's there action that keep them out of that port battle more than anything.  Cause I bet you if they didn't get pulled and sunk they would have top agro if they got it and get in before any one's alts could.   I'll bet you there are some US players bringing more than one char there to get into those same fights and get as many marks as they want too.  I would love to see a screen of that port battle and I bet you I can catch one alt on the US side that is prob US or Brit in there.  Still 3 is not locking out all the slots and if there was only 23 in the port battle that means there was still 2 slots open. I wasn't there so I don't know what happen.  I'm only going off what I been told on both sides.  

15 minutes ago, SS Minnow said:

Ah Ok so slipping alts into port battles is a valid part of the game...guess everyone should buy more alts...have fun I guess.

There is nothing against the rules of using alts to get into them unless it's a port battle you have alts on both sides.  So that isn't an exploit per say.  Shady yah I agree, but if there was only 23 in the port battle it wasn't locked out and it was only three chars so 20 others   I bet you prob folks of your own nation have brought alts in to fill slots.  How many US was there as a whole?  Either way some folks are going to get in and others aren't.  You want to make sure you get in get the most agro and have a screen fleet to stop from being tagged.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Sir Texas Sir
Edit cause I was looking at link posted of the battle?

[Drakedge]

Listen Texas, yes, 3 slots is not all 25. We fully get, and understand that. However, 3 unaffiliated with the nation people earning national conquest to then be given to a rival is a problem. Why do you refuse to see this?

 

That is one aggy from one port per 4 days, going to the enemy.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Drakedge

[Sir Texas Sir]

So looking at this....

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/784037287455485118/7AA446E1F2C44EA50E6E0411A5AD2F67E824693F/

They entered at the end and took three slots.  There was still two slots open. It wasn't like they jump in first and took all the slots.  

Thinks for posting the link. I will speak with our guys though and while they will still screen your battles, but I'll them know our point on this once I talk to the other officers.  I do agree it's a bit shady, but they players your speaking of was prob working on his own.  

[Wish List]

5 minutes ago, Drakedge said:

Listen Texas, yes, 3 slots is not all 25. We fully get, and understand that. However, 3 unaffiliated with the nation people earning national conquest to then be given to a rival is a problem. Why do you refuse to see this?

Just wait until we have numbers like your clans have now.  Wont take long people are sick of how bad the leaders are and the Direction the US ARE HEADING AGAIN ..........   Who in there right mind would pick a Fight with the the Strongest guy in the room and can't even do 1 push UP.  AND THEN Split up.   OMG 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Wish List

[Christendom]

Just now, Sir Texas Sir said:

I will talk to our guys, but remember Jobaset is not a member of BLACK and none of the officers I know was over there. The guys with him was just hunting and getting PvP on OW cause we knew you had a port battle at that time. So will find out if they knew about him doing it just to get his chars in.   I do agree it's shady myself and I don't think it should be used to do something like this.    Just telling the others though if they want to prevent things like this than they need to get a screening fleet and make sure they get the agro and not pulled into a battle and get sunk. They where afk for an hour before the Key West battle.  If we had all got on an hour early we could of came out and crushed them before that battle even started.  We did sink a suprsie and hurt a lot of them cause of this.  It's there action that keep them out of that port battle more than anything.  Cause I bet you if they didn't get pulled and sunk they would have top agro if they got it and get in before any one's alts could.   I'll bet you there are some US players bringing more than one char there to get into those same fights and get as many marks as they want too.  I would love to see a screen of that port battle and I bet you I can catch one alt on the US side that is prob US or Brit in there.  Still 3 is not locking out all the slots and if there was only 23 in the port battle that means there was still 2 slots open. I wasn't there so I don't know what happen.  I'm only going off what I been told on both sides.  

There were only 23 because the pirates escorted the alts and then screened out some of our players.  Pirate alts, BLACK or otherwise, have also been confirmed to be in other nation port battles on the server.  Stealing slots and now farming marks.  This is sad.  Fight us fairly.  

I'm done here.

[Sir Texas Sir]

Just now, Drakedge said:

Listen Texas, yes, 3 slots is not all 25. We fully get, and understand that. However, 3 unaffiliated with the nation people earning national conquest to then be given to a rival is a problem. Why do you refuse to see this?

Hay take a bit of a chill break I'm actually agreeing with ya'll.  That is why I asked for the a screen shot which @Christendom was kind enough to show me.  Though I'm telling ya'll how to prevent this.  If you think it's an exploit than post it as such.  Shady as hell yah I agree, but still not against the rules per say.  Though the rules allow us to do this cause say VCO hires BLACK to attack NPG ships before a port battle to make sure all there guys get into the port battle  that is fully in the rules to do so and I  bet your going to see that between clans and nations in the future.  

DISCLAIMER we have no agreement with any Nation to do this yet.  

[SS Minnow]

OK Texas, glad you agree this can spiral into a big problem although you are at a disadvantage of not being there.  We all just want a clean game.

[Wish List]

6 minutes ago, Christendom said:

There were only 23 because the pirates escorted the alts and then screened out some of our players.  Pirate alts, BLACK or otherwise, have also been confirmed to be in other nation port battles on the server.  Stealing slots and now farming marks.  This is sad.  Fight us fairly.  

I'm done here.

LOL Again we didn't get a escort lol we were there way before the Pirate got there or any of you.  Except for 1 other guy

[Sir Texas Sir]

3 minutes ago, SS Minnow said:

OK Texas, glad you agree this can spiral into a big problem although you are at a disadvantage of not being there.  We all just want a clean game.

And i don't want the stupid care bear alliance again just cause some folks can't get over there butt hurt pride of the past.  And I"m betting you folks in your nations or others (non pirate)are sending their alts over to fill all these empty port battles so it's not a pirate problems it's a game problem, but if you don't want them to do it there are ways to prevent it.  Take those steps to prevent and you won't have an issue.  I heard brits PB this moring had over 50 players trying to get into it.  That is just cazy.

10 minutes ago, Christendom said:

There were only 23 because the pirates escorted the alts and then screened out some of our players.  Pirate alts, BLACK or otherwise, have also been confirmed to be in other nation port battles on the server.  Stealing slots and now farming marks.  This is sad.  Fight us fairly.  

I'm done here.

And how do you know they are pirate alts?  They could be of the same nation cause some one has multi Brit alts and put all his alts into the port battle to get the slots.  You want to prevent this than bring a screen fleet so you don't get pulled and can't enter.  You want to keep the alts out than grind the agro and get in first cause I bet none of the alts will have points.  There are in game means to prevent this and I'm going to bet every nation has guys doing this.

[Drakedge]

Exactly, fight us on the open water, totally cool. Beat us legitly in a port battle, awesome. Win, lose, who cares, as long as the fight was legitimate, fair, and fun. 

Which a couple of things would ensure that. closing out this exploit for starters, and taking basic cutters out of pvp all together. You shouldn't be able to fight in a ship that has nothing to lose, and gives nothing in return for a fight. But that's a topic for a different thread.

[Wish List]

ONE Free Lesson for all US player...the rest you can learn when you join Clan.......  I wont call names, but you should never never never ever have control or have anyone near(they should not even be there at all)  if you are wanting to join a port battle.....  I pee'd my self when they told me that they had themselves under control lol.  

[qw569😳]

5 hours ago, Drakedge said:

I know that this is likely difficult to police, however. Recently there have been issues with people using "alts" to lock out slots on a port battle. Or a big fleet battle. 

What they do is they get into said fight with their alternate account and then when the battle begins they leave, and lock out the slot for the battle for the side that is getting exploited against. I have filmed them doing this, screen shotted it, and F11'ed it as an exploit as well.

This needs to be addressed quickly, as it is a detriment to the game. 

I understand spies, I encourage the tactic, but when you use those alts to directly lock out legit players from fighting in the battle then that needs to be changed quickly. Otherwise what's to stop 20 people with alts from ruining a potential port battle by joining and leaving. So far it has only been a maximum of 3 people at a time, but in a 25 v 25 fight starting the battle 3 ships down because those slots were locked out is a significant disadvantage.

@Drakedge

Could you tell me how to determine the alts?

I'm sure the players and developers do not have a mechanism for determining the alts.

[Drakedge]

Just now, qw569 said:

@Drakedge

Could you tell me how to determine the alts?

I'm sure the players and developers do not have a mechanism for determining the alts.

It's described and shown through the rest of this thread. It's rather obvious they are alts when they are sailing in the middle of the very people you are fighting and are:

• Not shooting the enemy
• Not being shot at by the enemy
• Not participating in the battle, or objectives of a port fight
• Leaving a fight when it starts to block out slots.

[Wish List]

Just now, Drakedge said:

It's described and shown through the rest of this thread. It's rather obvious they are alts when they are sailing in the middle of the very people you are fighting and are:

• Not shooting the enemy
• Not being shot at by the enemy
• Not participating in the battle, or objectives of a port fight
• Leaving a fight when it starts to block out slots.

• Your enemy not ours
• Your enemy not ours
• No Spanish Show,  We sat on circle
• We had no one to fight sorry you did

[Christendom]

11 minutes ago, qw569 said:

@Drakedge

Could you tell me how to determine the alts?

I'm sure the players and developers do not have a mechanism for determining the alts.

1 alt was confirmed by the main account on his stream, this was well before the battle.  all 3 were confirmed by a member of @Sir Texas Sir's clan shortly after in a subsequent battle to be alts and he was aware of their identities.  Having submitted a few tribunal threads in the past for similar issues and I am familiar with the investigation process (there is no process FYI), I'm not going to waste my time writing up another one.  

Suffice it to say, we know they are alts and they were escorted into the battle by fellow pirates.  

Texas brings up good points about hostility and screening, but ultimately all 25 slots will never be taken up by exactly 25 who did the grinding.  In this case some of those very people were screen out by the alt's protectors.  

We are simply asking for fair play by the pirates.  They say they can beat us fairly, I encourage them to do so, if they can.  I hope they see the light.  

 

 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Christendom

[Sir Texas Sir]

25 minutes ago, Christendom said:

 

We are simply asking for fair play by the pirates.  They say they can beat us fairly, I encourage them to do so, if they can.

 

Attacking us straight off the bat wasn't exactly fair either. Though I'm glad some of the clans in US GLOBAL agreed to not join that fight. If former PvP2 US or Brit clan's want to keep holding there grudge against us that is fine, but we aren't going to put up with being bullied either.  And bringing up the super alliance is exactly that.  Ya'll have way more folks in both the US and GB that you can combine the other nations and we will not be able to match your numbers.

You have to remember it's only one clan of about 15-20 guys (edit and a bunch of small clans that aren't yet organize).  Look at the port battle and tell me who else you saw in there other than a  few extra.  We didn't get the big bump in population like the other nations did.   Though we aren't going to let ya'll bully us around either.  

As I said up there that wasn't something that the majority of BLACK knew about and I for one don't agree with such actions, but I'm only one member of the clan.

39 minutes ago, Drakedge said:

Exactly, fight us on the open water, totally cool. Beat us legitly in a port battle, awesome. Win, lose, who cares, as long as the fight was legitimate, fair, and fun. 

Which a couple of things would ensure that. closing out this exploit for starters, and taking basic cutters out of pvp all together. You shouldn't be able to fight in a ship that has nothing to lose, and gives nothing in return for a fight. But that's a topic for a different thread.

Yah I'm all cool keeping to that way and hope so, though got to say attacking us straight tout off the bat was not cool.  We all get that Spanish is pretty much dead and going to grab those ports.  We actually talked with French before we started flipping Cap Frances.  No one talked to us about the Keys.   We want it for exactly the reason ya'll are seeing, to be able to raid over there and have OW PvP since nations are so far spread out.  

A lot of us are pushing for the Basic cutter BR to get changed so they can't PvP but you can still attack them so they can't be used to troll or exploit fights.  That and the open mag thing that basically turns them into fireships is a bit to explioty too.  No risk ships should not be part of any PvP in game.  But we should be able to still attack them to keep from folks exploiting them like to move cargo safely.  

Edited June 5, 2017 by Sir Texas Sir

[Drakedge]

I whole heartedly agree. 

I just feel that basic cutters should flatly not be allowed in any pvp fight period. 

You gain nothing from killing them, no exp, no gold, no pvp marks.

You gain nothing from fighting with them, no gold, no pvp marks, no exp (tested this earlier, appologized to the guy we killed as a result as we did not expect a 0 reward thing. As such won't be doing that again, massive waste of time.)

So you have nothing to lose, while your opponent has everything to lose? Yeah... that sounds fair lol. 

 

It would really be a simple change to the code: allow_pvp_no

(yeah i know the line of the code is most likely not reading exactly like that)

It's not to say someone couldn't go grab a 7th rate like a pickle, or privateer, or what have you and still fight, but at least in those situations both parties stand a chance to gain something.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Drakedge

[Drakedge]

8 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

 No one talked to us about the Keys.   We want it for exactly the reason ya'll are seeing, to be able to raid over there and have OW PvP since nations are so far spread out.  

It wouldn't be so bad if the EU population would let the cool kids play in their pond. *laughs* Take a look at my one pvp server thread and how they whine still about port battle times and yet fail to see how it works both ways. 

[Sir Texas Sir]

1 minute ago, Drakedge said:

It wouldn't be so bad if the EU population would let the cool kids play in their pond. *laughs* Take a look at my one pvp server thread and how they whine still about port battle times and yet fail to see how it works both ways. 

They really should of wiped all server properly, Put Global on top bill, than EU and than PvE and had us come in and make new chars/clans and what not.  Another issue is why do we have almost matching numbers during US prime time?  that means a lot of US players and of course other areas of the world are over there cause it still has the biggest population and that was exactly why I joined PvP1 when I first started to play back at the start of EU.