Barberouge 997 Posted May 24, 2017 The shipbuilder chooses the frames wood and the planking wood. Fir and Oak are produced by player buildings (Trader Tool 'P') and the other woods are available from NPCs (Trader Tool 'A') with contracts possible. The system is revamped from the initial testbed iterations: stats changed based on gameplay stat specificities emphasized crew resistances increased because the values are rounded white oak becomes a rare wood distribution changed based on gameplay most often, 2 ports per supplying region smuggler contracts disabled The stats affected in shipbuilding are: Structure HPs Armor HPs Thickness Leaks resistance Crew resistance Fire spread resistance Speed Acceleration Turn Also the vessels lose thickness when damaged, depending on the frames wood category. The woods are (per wood category) Light Fir Bermuda Cedar (rare) Medium Mahogany Oak Sabicu White Oak (rare) Heavy Teak (rare) Very Heavy Caguairan (rare, frames only) Live Oak (rare, frames only) Stats & graph FRAMES PLANKING Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Caguairan Live Oak Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Crew Space Structure HPs -3.% -2.5% 2.% 3.% 2.% 5.% 5.% 10.% 5.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -1.5% Armor HPs -5.% -3.% 0.5% 0.5% 7.% 2.% 15.% 3.% 2.5% -5.% -3.% 0.5% 1.% 3.% 2.% 3.% -0.5% Thickness - 7.% - 4.% - 2.% 5.% 0.% 4.% 4.% 6.5% 10.% - 4.% - 4.% - 2.% 0.% 0.% 3.% 5.% 0.% Leaks Resistance -1.5% -0.5% -1.% 2.% -1.5% 1.% 1.% 2.% 2.% -10.% -5.% 5.% 10.% -0.5% 1.% 0.5% -0.5% Crew Resistance 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -20.% -10.% 15.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% Fire Increase Resistance -10.% -5.% 10.% 7.% -3.% 1.5% 9.% 6.% -2.% -1.5% 3.% 3.% -1.% 0.5% -1.% Max Speed 7.% 5.% 4.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -5.% -6.5% -10.% 5.% 5.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25% Acceleration 5.% 5.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -3.% -4.% -5.% 3.% 3.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25% Rudder Turn rate 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13% Turn acceleration 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13% Crew 10.% Shipbuilding tooltips will be added at a later stage but until then here is a simulator for PvPers and crafters: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1swZ70gctKcZTHYrDJfqtyZf24vhByZt4F-3TphCYgN4/edit#gid=1055841935 To be able to change the inputs: if you have a google account, select 'File' then 'Make a copy' to use it with another program, select 'File' then 'Download as' 14 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepido 6,132 Posted May 24, 2017 Missing data on Planking Sabicu and White Oak crew resistance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Preble 79 Posted June 16, 2017 About Live Oak--while it's certainly heavy and strong (and wears out shipbuilding tools to no end), I'm not convinced that Live Oak framing decreases speed in the real world as much as these stats would suggest. It says here that white oak frames were in one case changed for live oak frames "to increase her capacity and speed," and in another to add durability. https://books.google.com/books?id=jWU7AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=live+oak+ship+frames+speed&source=bl&ots=C7szIHzSFp&sig=LHal9FXbMDE7eB9Jng98U-ziOZg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjj5LzSmsPUAhVCcD4KHTRKAPwQ6AEIQDAG#v=onepage&q=live oak ship frames speed&f=false 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knobby 411 Posted July 21, 2017 can we have an update for the recent changes to woob bonuses? you guys made my spreadsheet obsolete mere 12 hours after i finished it lol! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hethwill 12,077 Posted July 21, 2017 It is added to the very first post of the patch notes & hotfixes http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/21757-patch-104-conquest-changes-battle-groups-wapen-von-hamburg-iii/ but here it is for those that seldom read... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quineloe 1,337 Posted July 23, 2017 When was Caguairan +13% structure? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fargo 287 Posted July 23, 2017 Still very bad balancing. For a basic combat ship 8 out of 9 frameparts are useless, so are 4-5 out of 7 planks. 63 possible combinations, 2-3 viable combinations. Pls work on it, only small tweaks are needed. Here an actual comparison including the most important boni: (References arent perfect, but thats roughly how i would evaluate them as a experienced captain and shipbuilder. Results fit reality, so it cant be far off. (Reference means value of 1% speed equals value of 1,5% turnrate, etc.)) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quineloe 1,337 Posted July 23, 2017 So Teak Frame, Mahagony Planking is best according to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fargo 287 Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Quineloe said: So Teak Frame, Mahagony Planking is best according to you? And whiteoak planks ofcourse. Mahogany is quite specific, and only best when crew loss matters and you need the speed. When hull damage is a bigger problem (probably in most cases), whiteoak planks are better. When you want speed and hull resistance, its also whiteoak, cause there are no faster planks with balanced hull boni. Edited July 24, 2017 by Fargo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quineloe 1,337 Posted July 24, 2017 When going broadside / broadside with AI ships for fastest kill, thickness doesn't really matter - they're gonna penetrate anyways. But reduced crew loss => reduced crew rebuy. I assume having Mahagony does the same thing as Iron Knees in that regard, they're the same stats? sounds like the teak Mahagony ship is the perfect one for grinding AI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fargo 287 Posted July 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Quineloe said: When going broadside / broadside with AI ships for fastest kill, thickness doesn't really matter - they're gonna penetrate anyways. But reduced crew loss => reduced crew rebuy. I assume having Mahagony does the same thing as Iron Knees in that regard, they're the same stats? sounds like the teak Mahagony ship is the perfect one for grinding AI. The reduced crew rebuy cost is really the last thing you should care about. When you make 30k in a mission you dont care about +-300g crew cost... Mahogany only makes sense for PvP in my opinion. Use Teak/wo and angle enemy shots, or keep some distance when you want to reduce repair/crew cost. Unless youre hugging the AI, its better in every other situation. There is also a skillbook that reduces crew loss by 15%, thats also why its not easy to evaluate mahogany. You basically have to use this skill on a mahogany ship, cause otherwise a teak/wo ship using the skill would outvalue you. You save one skill slot, but not many skills can outvalue the remaining difference between mahogany and whiteoak planks. Also assumed 15% crew resistance would be sufficient, mahogany would be quite useless. Thats a problem with upgrades/skills beeing as powerful as the frameparts and planks itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lars Kjaer 2,011 Posted July 29, 2017 On 24/5/2017 at 7:19 PM, Barberouge said: The shipbuilder chooses the frames wood and the planking wood. Fir and Oak are produced by player buildings (Trader Tool 'P') and the other woods are available from NPCs (Trader Tool 'A') with contracts possible. The system is revamped from the initial testbed iterations: stats changed based on gameplay stat specificities emphasized crew resistances increased because the values are rounded white oak becomes a rare wood distribution changed based on gameplay most often, 2 ports per supplying region smuggler contracts disabled The stats affected in shipbuilding are: Structure HPs Armor HPs Thickness Leaks resistance Crew resistance Fire spread resistance Speed Acceleration Turn Also the vessels lose thickness when damaged, depending on the frames wood category. The woods are (per wood category) Light Fir Bermuda Cedar (rare) Medium Mahogany Oak Sabicu White Oak (rare) Heavy Teak (rare) Very Heavy Caguairan (rare, frames only) Live Oak (rare, frames only) Stats & graph Reveal hidden contents FRAMES PLANKING Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Caguairan Live Oak Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Crew Space Structure HPs -3.% -2.5% 2.% 3.% 2.% 5.% 5.% 10.% 5.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -1.5% Armor HPs -5.% -3.% 0.5% 0.5% 7.% 2.% 15.% 3.% 2.5% -5.% -3.% 0.5% 1.% 3.% 2.% 3.% -0.5% Thickness - 7.% - 4.% - 2.% 5.% 0.% 4.% 4.% 6.5% 10.% - 4.% - 4.% - 2.% 0.% 0.% 3.% 5.% 0.% Leaks Resistance -1.5% -0.5% -1.% 2.% -1.5% 1.% 1.% 2.% 2.% -10.% -5.% 5.% 10.% -0.5% 1.% 0.5% -0.5% Crew Resistance 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -20.% -10.% 15.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% Fire Increase Resistance -10.% -5.% 10.% 7.% -3.% 1.5% 9.% 6.% -2.% -1.5% 3.% 3.% -1.% 0.5% -1.% Max Speed 7.% 5.% 4.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -5.% -6.5% -10.% 5.% 5.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25% Acceleration 5.% 5.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -3.% -4.% -5.% 3.% 3.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25% Rudder Turn rate 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13% Turn acceleration 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13% Crew 10.% Shipbuilding tooltips will be added at a later stage but until then here is a simulator for PvPers and crafters: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1swZ70gctKcZTHYrDJfqtyZf24vhByZt4F-3TphCYgN4/edit#gid=1055841935 To be able to change the inputs: if you have a google account, select 'File' then 'Make a copy' to use it with another program, select 'File' then 'Download as' Can we get this post updated with the recent values? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quineloe 1,337 Posted July 30, 2017 10 hours ago, Bearwall said: Can we get this post updated with the recent values? Which value is not up to date? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lars Kjaer 2,011 Posted July 31, 2017 23 hours ago, Quineloe said: Which value is not up to date? As with all threads in this forums the latest version is in danger of becoming bogged down in all the comments.. Depending on wether or not there comes more changes to the woodtypes ofcourse, I just think it would be easier if good practice was introduced and devs updated the original post instead of inserting the new values somewhere in the commentary.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quineloe 1,337 Posted July 31, 2017 but isn't that what they're doing? OP values are current. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarlath Morrow 267 Posted November 18, 2017 On 7/21/2017 at 8:03 AM, The Red Duke said: It is added to the very first post of the patch notes & hotfixes http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/21757-patch-104-conquest-changes-battle-groups-wapen-von-hamburg-iii/ but here it is for those that seldom read... I believe these are the most current values. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cetric de Cornusiac 909 Posted December 15, 2017 Black Ironwood is not used for shipbuilding? Very expensive (in ports) - and very durable. Or too heavy for maritime usage? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironwood Probably this one in particular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handroanthus_serratifolius Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepido 6,132 Posted January 25, 2018 Can we get an update of the new thickness and hp of live oak and caguairan? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Victoria 4 Posted February 9, 2018 Do we have somehere, an wood update wiki ? as the excel spreadsheet for shipbuilding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Horatio Homblower 0 Posted May 19, 2018 Are there any links to wood tables? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fritz Hermann 38 Posted July 24, 2018 Is this table still up to date? On 5/24/2017 at 1:19 PM, Barberouge said: FRAMES PLANKING Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Caguairan Live Oak Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Crew Space Structure HPs -3.% -2.5% 2.% 3.% 2.% 5.% 5.% 10.% 5.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -1.5% Armor HPs -5.% -3.% 0.5% 0.5% 7.% 2.% 15.% 3.% 2.5% -5.% -3.% 0.5% 1.% 3.% 2.% 3.% -0.5% Thickness - 7.% - 4.% - 2.% 5.% 0.% 4.% 4.% 6.5% 10.% - 4.% - 4.% - 2.% 0.% 0.% 3.% 5.% 0.% Leaks Resistance -1.5% -0.5% -1.% 2.% -1.5% 1.% 1.% 2.% 2.% -10.% -5.% 5.% 10.% -0.5% 1.% 0.5% -0.5% Crew Resistance 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -20.% -10.% 15.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% Fire Increase Resistance -10.% -5.% 10.% 7.% -3.% 1.5% 9.% 6.% -2.% -1.5% 3.% 3.% -1.% 0.5% -1.% Max Speed 7.% 5.% 4.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -5.% -6.5% -10.% 5.% 5.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25% Acceleration 5.% 5.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -3.% -4.% -5.% 3.% 3.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25% Rudder Turn rate 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13% Turn acceleration 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13% Crew 10.% Thank you, 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barberouge 997 Posted July 25, 2018 20 hours ago, Fritz Hermann said: Is this table still up to date? No, you should use this one: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17SNVzyoQPqN1AigZM5ro7SqQ1IxevgDZgTsUWh4J4JU/edit#gid=1594253280 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolk nChance 1,203 Posted July 25, 2018 nice one thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AeRoTR 1,388 Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Barberouge said: No, you should use this one: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17SNVzyoQPqN1AigZM5ro7SqQ1IxevgDZgTsUWh4J4JU/edit#gid=1594253280 That google sheet is FANTASTIC, I love the ship calculator tab, thanks for the effort and sharing with us. Special thanks to @Black Mamba I guess it is the correct guy You can also check the Felix Map => Tools Section, for comparison of ship woods. https://na-map.netlify.com/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeaLurker 2 Posted July 26, 2018 I'd like to know why Caguairan wood can't be used for planks 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
