SteelSandwich Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Ill lend a hand here, the chatham is build along the same lines as the admiraal. She has different but very similar decorations and ornaments. It's neither of those ships. As far as my knowledge goes, the stern style =/= dutch design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haratik Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, SteelSandwich said: Ill lend a hand here, the chatham is build along the same lines as the admiraal. She has different but very similar decorations and ornaments. It's neither of those ships. As far as my knowledge goes, the stern style =/= dutch design. Then the only other ship I can remotely think of is Danish, the Dannebrog. And if it's not her, she's either Danish or Swedish. The French had a couple of 90 gun second rates, but none that fit the bill. Edited May 23, 2017 by Haratik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 hmm.. I shall shed some light then and tell you why you wont find any images or models of this vessel. I am pretty certain I am the first person to model and publish images of her. She was never build but approved by the authorities. Means she would have been build if the money was at hand. Her dimensions would have been: Length 202' ("national" fot) -> ~60m Breadth 53' -> ~ 15,73m Draught Forward 22' -> 6,53m Draught Aft 23' -> 6,82m Armed with: 30*42pd 32*30pd 32*18pd and a crew of ~830 You could search for a ship named "Spiral" but I did it myself to make sure this doesnt give away too much. But maybe your digging methods are better than mine so I wish you good luck if you plan on searching this vessel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Armstrong Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Hmmm, well it looks like the Dutch 'Voet' = 1.033 English feet, which puts the length at 195.5'. 60 meters is 196.85' so That is very close...however its not out of the question that the Swedish or Danish foot equivalent is similarly close to the English measurement. I can't say I have a good guess for the identity of the vessel, but given the relatively high headrails and hawse-holes, and two tiers of galleries on a three decker, I'd place this ship between 1800-1820, most likely in the second half of that range. The American '74' gunners (that were really more like traditional second rates, with two full decks and a fully armed spar deck) had round bows and only one or two tiers of quarter galleries, and the British built a first rate on the great lakes with similar characteristics during the war of 1812. http://imgur.com/AFiPOHg http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3186-hms-st-lawrence-1814/ It certainly isn't any of those ships, but has the characteristics that would be considered modern at the same time they were built and after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 sternview with a bit more work on her: And she is swedish 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 Nearly.. It wasnt '97 it was 1792: I understand where you got that date from however I have no clue how it was determined to be `97. The plans I have come from the swedish archives and they differentiate a bit from the plans shown in the thread above. My plans do not feature any deck houseing or roofs whatsoever. Could be slapped on later.. plans: (they are intended to be low res!) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 a quick peek on the bowsection. headrails and how they will work out eventually. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sveno Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 A beautiful ship, and we surely cant have enough Swedish ships ingame, but, is there even the slightest chance for it getting implemented due to never being built in RL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riparian Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 17 hours ago, sveno said: A beautiful ship, and we surely cant have enough Swedish ships ingame, but, is there even the slightest chance for it getting implemented due to never being built in RL? Maybe we could hope for "Chapman 1790 Swedish fleet proposal" ship bundle! ... ;-) (included: 66, 74, 80, 94 and 110 gun ships, not sure if all of these had even plans made) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Low Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Was this ship approved for NA? Simply beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 lolno. If this was approved for the game I would not share it^^ All I model is first and foremost for my own experience and curiousity. @Riparian I do have the plans for the 74 gunner and there are plans for the 100 gun vessel. I dont know about the intermediates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiedemann Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) Tease.. But now that I know we are not getting it, I want it even more! Edited June 2, 2017 by Tiedemann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archdouche Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Hmm, indeed a beutiful ship. The name is not "Spiral" but Spiran, swedish for scepter. I have bought these plans too (bloody expensive) for the sake of having eyegasms at them. Chapman really knew how to build boats. I had hopes of someday modeling this ship when I have refined my skills. But it's truly awesome to see someone actually making this pracically unknown ship a reality. If you would be missing any of the plans (like the rigging) I would be happy to send them to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archdouche Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) On 2017-06-01 at 4:41 PM, Riparian said: Maybe we could hope for "Chapman 1790 Swedish fleet proposal" ship bundle! ... ;-) (included: 66, 74, 80, 94 and 110 gun ships, not sure if all of these had even plans made) The 110 gun ship, project name Kronan has complete plans in the swedish war archives.There also exists for example : 60 gun unnamed project, Äpplet 80 guns, Nyckeln 66 guns and the Spiran. These are all projects by Chapman that never were built, although i suspect the 60 gunner bear similarities to Wasa. The 110 gun, 94 gun, 80 gun, 66 gun all have complete plans including rigging. For those interested they are all named after the swedish crown jewels, a naming tradition in sweden for larger naval ships. I´m planning on visiting the war archives next week and dig around a bit. As far as I know the late 74 gun project (not the Gustav III) by Chapman was built as the Carl XIII. There is however a 74 gunner drawn by Gilbert Sheldon (grandson of Francis Sheldon) in the Archives from 1780. Edited June 4, 2017 by Archdouche Extra info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 these are the planss for the 74 gunner: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archdouche Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) Nice, is that also one of his projects or is it a actually built ship? I´m stupid, of course you meant the unbuilt project ship... Edited June 4, 2017 by Archdouche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 191171 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 13 hours ago, BungeeLemming said: о 13 hours ago, BungeeLemming said: these are the planss for the 74 gunner: Reveal hidden contents Выявить скрытые содержимое Is it possible to see the frames of this ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Lancelot Holland Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 On 5/16/2017 at 1:28 PM, Powderhorn said: Finally, some trade vessels are getting some love. Hate spoiling it for you all, but I'm just too excited to see the Irish Rover in game Only if you look after the dog this time! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 Did you have a look at it here? https://skfb.ly/6rIQs the link is also in the first post 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 naw. this is merely myself having fun with the plans I acquired for this vessel. The update is getting half a year old and I did not do anything more to the vessel. I lost interest and wasnt yet motivated to continue her. The arcs that frame the Sternpiece are still off. They look goot at a distance but the closer you get the more apparent are their flaws^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomasso il Fortunato Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Deletead Edited March 13, 2020 by Tomasso il Fortunato 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted March 7, 2018 Author Share Posted March 7, 2018 ... not the ship presented in this thread, Sir. Cause it was never actually built. The vessel you posted must be from the early 1700+/- I believe sweden didnt have any 1sts, 2nds and such in the 2nd half of 1700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomasso il Fortunato Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Yeah , your right . I posted Kronan . Kronan, also called Stora Kronan, was a Swedish warships that served as the flagships of the Swedish Navy in the Baltic Sea in the 1670s. When built, she was one of the largest seagoing vessels in the world. The construction of Kronan lasted from 1668 to 1672 and was delayed by difficulties with financing and conflicts between the shipwright Francis Sheldon and the Swedish admiralty. Edited March 7, 2018 by CaptainSparckles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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