Pablo Frias Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 We were not asking for a peace! We asked for the favor to keep the ports of Fort Zoutman and Fort Oranje in order to have a chance to prepare for the upcoming port wipe. I would have considered that as a generous gesture that would suit real gentlemen. If it was so boring, why did you do it? Why did you Spanish, French and Danish guys take so much empty ports, attacked repeatedly Traders Brigs two times within 15 minutes with a Buccentaure and a Constitution or a lonely Cerberus by two Buccentaure, two Constitutions and a Rattlesnake? * I agree with you - I consider that as boring too. But why did you do it? Why did you guys run with three Trincomalees and three Renomees all led by Admiral-Level players from one Constitution and a bunch of frigates and brigs led by mid level players? Same question to those three Ingermanlands that were escorted by two Belle Poules. I believe I have the answer to this. * Thanks for that fight! Turning my Cerberus and sinking that Rattlesnake with two sides within two minutes was worth it. I would have loved to see the face of that Captain... so fear me Because we were at war, and when you´re at war war you cannot stop because you enemy isn´t defending, that was something we didn´t like, we want PvP, not empty ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancella Dutch de Wildt Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Because we were at war, and when you´re at war war you cannot stop because you enemy isn´t defending, that was something we didn´t like, we want PvP, not empty ports. So to put it blank: you don't do favors in light of the coming map swipe, you do want PVP and continue taking empty ports as a result. Fine with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeltiberoCaesar Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 An end to this war was long overdue. The continued taking of empty ports made the game lose it's quality, and a lot of players. To be honest i am a bit disapointed in in the Spanish and French nations, i expected them to be reasonable as i believe the Dutch have always been. We shoud have ended this war weeks ago, recognizing each other as great adversaries and gaming friend. Not as mortal enemies, each with their own glorious pride to defend and a nation to trammple into the dust. This would have granted us some time to prepare for the Patch and wipe. Ofcourse i respect the spanish and France's call to end their war, although it leaves a bitter taste, for obvious reasons. With this said, i'm looking forward to the Patch, and perhaps some mutualy benifitial talks. A "peace treaty" was offered to you in the same conditions than the current one and someone (we all know who) reject it because of just pride and "we don't care, we will resist until the patch comes"... Not agreeing with what has happened since then nor how you have ended... I think it was more up to you guys than us... It's like if we have rejected the 3 admirals treaty, what would have happened? We would had been pushed to La Habbana... but we accepted to protect the player base... In other words, you are more guilty than us about what have happened (what I consider wrong). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL GRAN DUQUE DE ALBA Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 The French council considering the current situation has decided to stop hostilities in the south. As such the French Council will not contest any ports west of La Blanquilla/ Macanao/ Cumana. All other ports will remain under French control until further negotiations. French evacuation of the contested ports will be effective on Monday. The Dutch fought bravely and proved themselves worthy and stubborn adversaries. o7 How many trys need France to take pampatar? How many 1 and 2 rate lost in pampatar?,. How many port battles win versus ducht forces,. Ahhhh yess french start to win battles when the danish forces appear in the battles and when the spanish doing a Big defense at barranquilas, buutt the frenchis are a conquerors.. the soons off napoleon xddd Pd: i specting so muchas a duel peyasgos vs vicius XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancella Dutch de Wildt Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 A "peace treaty" was offered to you in the same conditions than the current one and someone (we all know who) reject it because of just pride and "we don't care, we will resist until the patch comes"... Not agreeing with what has happened since then nor how you have ended... I think it was more up to you guys than us... It's like if we have rejected the 3 admirals treaty, what would have happened? We would had been pushed to La Habbana... but we accepted to protect the player base... In other words, you are more guilty than us about what have happened (what I consider wrong). And time and again it is said that that 'someone' doesn't speak for anyone but himself and has not any say in the Council etc To cut it short: the fights I had with your nation where nice and polite and so it should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliviervdp Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) A "peace treaty" was offered to you in the same conditions than the current one and someone (we all know who) reject it because of just pride and "we don't care, we will resist until the patch comes"... Not agreeing with what has happened since then nor how you have ended... I think it was more up to you guys than us... It's like if we have rejected the 3 admirals treaty, what would have happened? We would had been pushed to La Habbana... but we accepted to protect the player base... In other words, you are more guilty than us about what have happened (what I consider wrong). As we mentioned numerous times Pellasgos, oh you can say his name, is not representing the Dutch Nation, him rejecting an offer should mean nothing. An offer of peace was not mentioned to me, or any of my diplomats. And still it does not justify the taking of a dozen empty ports, attacking start- and mid- level players and ultimatly bleeding dry a nation AND a game a all love. Edited October 1, 2016 by oliviervdp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeltiberoCaesar Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 And time and again it is said that that 'someone' doesn't speak for anyone but himself and has not any say in the Council etc To cut it short: the fights I had with your nation where nice and polite and so it should be. Well, I have not right nor knowledge to ensure if some is or is not the voice of another nation... Sorry, that was indeed something we could have avoided. I'm not aware of how the contacts were made/started... But it seems clear they werent the proper ones. I hope with thr patch you "herejes" can join back to the empire you belong (history speaking) hahaha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancella Dutch de Wildt Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Well, I have not right nor knowledge to ensure if some is or is not the voice of another nation... Sorry, that was indeed something we could have avoided. I'm not aware of how the contacts were made/started... But it seems clear they werent the proper ones. I hope with thr patch you "herejes" can join back to the empire you belong (history speaking) hahaha Well I'm glad most - if not all - of us (Dutch, Spanish etc) are aware now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llewellyn Jones RN Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Part of the reason that Spain won in thw West is that the Brits stopped fighting there 2 weeks ago like the Dutch I hope the Spanish appreciated the uncontested retake of Panama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Vicious Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Maybe you should learn to read. I haven't seen any statement about Total Victory from the French or even from our Spanish friends. And then you could learn something about manners and fair-play and about being a good sport and nothing else. Like I said somewhere else, you could just grow-up a little... and learn to accept other people way of playing. If being someone else dog is a way of playng.. enjoy, is not for me. And i can read thrue the lines as you can do so stop being naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Vicious Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 It won't be négociation as this décisions are unilatéral. Négociation may come if dutch décide it for any reason bit his topic is about facts not about asks. You pellasgos make french go far more into the war has shedulded before it. We décided to stop before and to not crush you but your stipidity and arrogance make us lost our mind. Ty for the dons to have be able to make us take à breath and see the situation. This war is over for us. It's facr, nit a négociation. I rest my case 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Vicious Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 The following is a very personal statement: @ Capt. Pellasgos: Why, for heavens sake, can't you just shut up only for once? Sir, with all my respect, but I want to make it as clear as possible: Capt. Pellasgos is only speaking for himself! His post gives a bad name to himself only! Personally I consider the statements of Spain and France in this thread as a unilateral decision. The Dutch Nation High Council will decide whether they will accept these offers or not. The Dutch Nation Diplomatic Corps got into contact with Spanish and French Diplomats when we were already reduced to 6-7 ports and kindly asked to stop or even grant us the favor of keeping those ports that remain to the Dutch Nation after the upcoming Port Wipe so players could have a save harbor for their ships. Both, the Spanish and the French pretended to be friendly but then they went for taking empty ports and made us a two port nation. You Spanish, French and Danish "Gentleman" were bashing someone who already lay on the floor. And thats why i personally stopped to be around dutch waters 2 weeks ago with my clan and other pirates clan, it was obvious what was going on. But dear Dutch i remember you do the same on us a month ago with even more ppl. maybe this time you will understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtiberofrog Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Few words to clarify : - "further Negociations" was not the proper word in our sentence, it was initialy written "further notices"...apology, as there have not been any real negociation before (only talks). - This campaign should have been stopped days ago, totally agreed by the majority of us, but few individues & circumstances made it go further to become clearly meaningless. - The alliance is very grateful to the Danes that showed examplary solidarity in that conflict. - «No offense but dont you think that you are trolling yourselves with those silly posts...???», this question is returned to the questioner, hoping for less future self-obsessed & childish post. - The whole NA community can trust that Spanish players are respecting every "enemy" players and will always prevail fairplay in wars as well as strong solidarity with its allies. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilgar Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) And thats why i personally stopped to be around dutch waters 2 weeks ago with my clan and other pirates clan, it was obvious what was going on. But dear Dutch i remember you do the same on us a month ago with even more ppl. maybe this time you will understand. I think all nations have the "dogs of war", who would go on for a while and kick the "dead body" after the real fighting over, just to put their name on a port / or humiliate the opponent / get a bunch of useless modules (just a few educated guesses of mine). Players looking for challenge stop w/o being asked. So, blaming nations of finishing off the opponent and then use that as excuse to do the same is lame. P.S. Btw, I think the pirates, a very special nation, should be reduced to a single port from time to time. Isn't that part of the thrill of being a pirate? Edited October 1, 2016 by Stilgar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Brave Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Well, I have not right nor knowledge to ensure if some is or is not the voice of another nation... Sorry, that was indeed something we could have avoided. I'm not aware of how the contacts were made/started... But it seems clear they werent the proper ones. I hope with thr patch you "herejes" can join back to the empire you belong (history speaking) hahaha First: Your Diplomat Celtiberofrog contacted me and was asking for a Dutch Diplomat or if Capt. Pellasgos is the one to talk to. That was about three weeks ago and before your "Peace" offer. I told him that Capt. Pellasgos is no official representative of the Duch Nation (and he still isn't) and who were the Diplomats he should contact. So it was well known to your Diplomats who to contact within the Dutch Nation. Second: Historically speaking the Spanish, the major force of the world at this time, were not able to defeat the Dutch will for freedom within 80 years and they were accepting Dutch independence and the Republiek der Zeven Verenigde Nederlanden in the Peace of Münster in 1648 and I doubt that they would have done this if they would have seen any chance to defeat the Dutch. So historically speaking: The Dutch kicked Spanish ass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctic nova Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 i think that the war has won by the developors for the next content patch wich includes a port reset and with that known players stopt playing for ports and the british where not helping the dutch nation anymore correct me if i am wrong with that also known i think that this war is not won by any nation so i respect that french and the spanish are giving us breathing room to run our economy a bit reducing the dutch nation to a 1 port nation is useless becouse we cant defend it since a lot of players have stopt playing until the patch so the spanish and danes and france where advisary sailers so i sulute you and hoping that we can sometimes do a huge big open world battle and have some fun in the meantime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenakha Kan Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 - This campaign should have been stopped days ago, totally agreed by the majority of us, but few individues & circumstances made it go further to become clearly meaningless. Totally agree on that. I personnally would have liked this to happen sooner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeltiberoCaesar Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) First: Your Diplomat Celtiberofrog contacted me and was asking for a Dutch Diplomat or if Capt. Pellasgos is the one to talk to. That was about three weeks ago and before your "Peace" offer. I told him that Capt. Pellasgos is no official representative of the Duch Nation (and he still isn't) and who were the Diplomats he should contact. So it was well known to your Diplomats who to contact within the Dutch Nation. Second: Historically speaking the Spanish, the major force of the world at this time, were not able to defeat the Dutch will for freedom within 80 years and they were accepting Dutch independence and the Republiek der Zeven Verenigde Nederlanden in the Peace of Münster in 1648 and I doubt that they would have done this if they would have seen any chance to defeat the Dutch. So historically speaking: The Dutch kicked Spanish ass. You claim that and I was told another story... i'm sure you will understand that I trust more on my friend than on you. In any case the ambiguity in which is your spokesman is an issue in which I shouldnt interfier. But I should remind you that even in public a "safe zone" was suggested and rejected... So..Whatever. The historical reference was just a joke, I wont go into that...its another topic for another forum Edited October 1, 2016 by CeltiberoCaesar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundgemunkey Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 seems spanish and french deemed it acceptable to knock dutch down to 2 ports ... the standard of when to stop has been set so it seems .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeltiberoCaesar Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 seems spanish and french deemed it acceptable to knock dutch down to 2 ports ... the standard of when to stop has been set so it seems .. Learn to read, troll. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bramborough Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 I applaud Spain & France for ending this and allowing some ports to go back. Like others, I believe this could've / should've happened at least a week ago if not more...although I somewhat understand why it didn't play out that way. Am rather wondering where Danmark-Norge stands on this question. Bigger picture....G-L has put a lot of effort during the summer into refining how wars start and are prosecuted. I think there should be some consideration by them on how wars end, with concrete win/loss criteria that stop short of a nation being wiped off map. I would prefer a persistent world with discrete limited wars, which I think would be more realistic and historical than the rather gamey winner-take-all "seasons" types ideas I've read over the past couple months. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonBird Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 And so, Britain faces her adversaries alone. the only adversary Britain has faced in the past week or two (with all due respect) is NPC fleet missions. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Brave Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 A "peace treaty" was offered to you in the same conditions than the current one and someone (we all know who) reject it because of just pride and "we don't care, we will resist until the patch comes"... ... The 'Someone' situation has been explained and cleared several times in the past. At the best will, you can't take that as an excuse for anything. ... Not agreeing with what has happened since then nor how you have ended... ... But you did it. So what? ... I think it was more up to you guys than us... ... I consider this as one of the weakest excuses I have ever read. ... It's like if we have rejected the 3 admirals treaty, what would have happened? We would had been pushed to La Habbana... ... IIRC the three Admirals Treaty was about setting up a PVP Zone at Hispaniola and leave the National territories untouched until the deployment of a patch. It was about protecting esp. your player base and IIRC the Spanish Nation never ratified that treaty so it was never legally effective. And with all respect Sir, you don't know what would have happen. ... In other words, you are more guilty than us about what have happened (what I consider wrong). This is the same weak excuse you tried above. I would appreciate if you would show cojones and tell it like it is: You Spanish,French and Danish guys decided to make us a one port nation and you did it. Period. And unlike the British and the Dutch you and your allies didn't care about your enemies player base. You continued until that goal was reached even when it meant to get bored by taking empty ports. I'm pretty fine with it. No complains from my side and from my personal view I'm ready to fight you again and again and again from Willemstad and any other Freetown. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundgemunkey Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Learn to read, troll. learn to look at a map and understand the information it gives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Brave Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 You claim that and I was told another story... i'm sure you will understand that I trust more on my friend than on you. In any case the ambiguity in which is your spokesman is an issue in which I shouldnt interfier. But I should remind you that even in public a "safe zone" was suggested and rejected... So..Whatever. ... Shall I bring evidence in form of a screenshot of the personal conversation I had with your Diplomat Celtiberofrog on the 11th of September? And by the way, your "joke" was lame ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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