admin Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 We plan to have to have 2 types of that ship 1) McKay drawings body (with spanker boom) - more sturdy, less agile and speedy 2) Original (without spanker boom) snow rigged - more agile, and built for speed can you please provide us with drawings or refs for the sailplan these 2 ships should have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 the only thing i could found maybe someon else with more sources can help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMatt Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I don't think the John Mckay sail plan exists. Ive abused every word, image, and setting in google search and found nothing. It appears one modeller even had to guess the dimensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 lets rephrase what would be the typical snow sails plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Well I skimmed the internet and found very rare information. But then there still is Chapman (in my shelf) So I googled his snow-rigging. et voila: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Snow-rig.jpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKPyrate Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 A snow is essentially a brig, but with a small mast just aft of the mainmast, and terminating at the main truck (sometimes the 'mast' was just a stout cable instead of a wooden spar). The overall proportions would be very similar to a brig, but with a small gap (iirc, usually 6-18 inches) between the luff of the spanker (aka snow sail) and the main mast. This additional gap allowed some air flow through that made allow a coarse sail to be set on the main yard. This improved downwin and broad reaching performance, but it also meant that the rig would cost more to build and maintain, as well as require additional sailors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cochrane Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Does anyone know which was more common: a snow mast or a horse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Blackwell Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Best I can find is this on the subject: These are drawings from 'Legend of The Lake' by Arthur Britton Smith. I'm not sure where his research took him to arrive at these plans, but hey ho. Google can only tell you so much. Hope this helps o7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Here is a time lapse video (of sorts) of the construction of a model of the HMS Ontario, a Snow class light brig, originally built in Canada: , from here: http://www.ageofsail.net/aosontm.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Does anyone know which was more common: a snow mast or a horse? Do you have a picture of a horse? It's one of those terms that's impossible to look up on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Do you have a picture of a horse? It's one of those terms that's impossible to look up on the internet. a horse shoe that is around the mast like a clap with ball bearings? doesnt our lynx have these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 You mean just a normal gaff boom with a parrel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 i'm a landlubber dont ask me such things atleast that is the only thing that comes to my mind when he says Horse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yeah, collectively that's called a parrel. Definitely more common than a snow mast, which is only used larger vessels with smaller mizzen sails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggywrinkle Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Maturin, a 'horse' can refer to several things, and crops up every now and again in slightly odd situations (local vernacular), but tends to mean one of three things: 1) Sheet horse - a stout line or solid bar that allows the sheeting point on deck to freely travel athwartships, normally so the sheet itself can be left unattended whilst tacking. Commonly found on shorthand working vessels - Thames barges being a perfect example with horses for both main and stays'l sheets commonly used. #125 below. 2) Flemish Horse - a seperate footrope for the yardarm, as otherwise the footrope would be too close under the yard to be useable: 3) Dead horse - Having been paid a month's advance, for example, after a month into the voyage a sailor would be said to have worked off his horse, or that his horse was dead. Not sure why, best I've come across is that a sailor's advance often slipped straight through his hands to creditors, boarding-house masters etc, and so for the first month of a trip all his pay was going to support them ashore and only afterwards would his pay be his own. As such a sailor could feel he supported those ashore as a horse its rider. In the 'Golden Age' the end of the first month was marked by a big celebration, including the making and discarding overboard of an effigy of either a horse or a ragged man to the singing of 'Poor Old Horse'. Stan Hugill said that by his time the whole affair was very lackluster, if done at all. Neigh. Baggy ps. I think Cochrane may be referring to a cable that the luff would run up, as opposed to a spar - a snow horse rather than a snow mast. I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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