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Helping non Spanish speaking players / Ayudando a los jugadores no hispanohablantes

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Hello everybody.

 

There has been a lot of discussion lately about timers, faction size, game balance, etc. In this forum and National news.

One thing I believe is clear is that Spain is not a "comfortable" nation to non Spanish speaking players. Despite some efforts to improve, especially in the nation chat, most of the information is still exchanged in Spanish, and the TS dynamics are mostly carried out in Cervantes tongue.

 

Of course, this poses a difficulty, especially in a moment when Spain needs new players, broaden our connection timers, to try to match those of other nations hostile to Spain, with a larger, and more geographically diverse population.

 

So, I would like to start this discussion for all of Spain´s Captains, to exchange ideas on how to make life easier for those of us that do not speak Spanish. Here I toss a couple of ideas:

 

- In the TS: establish a corps of translators, that are nominated liaisons to non Spanish speaking clans, Russians, Germans, and our large and always welcome population of Polynesians. One or two liaison officers would do the trick, to pass on essential information about port battles, political situation, check about their needs and opinions, etc.

- In the National chat: The same, all essential information about enemy fleets/privateers, battles, should be shared in an English-friendly code: for example Holand instead of berenjeno, sharing coordinates instead of indications, etc.

- In Havana: Try to create a friendlier environment for new players. Restarting the activities of the Naval Academy, with volunteer experienced captains from all clans, to do missions, train and escort the new players. Maybe a Schedule of missions could be established for different grades, in English and Spanish, with some of us sharing the responsibility of training recruits.

 

Any other ideas or suggestions? thank you for sharing your opinions here.

 

Brigadier Don Sancho Navarro

 

 

Hola a todos:

 

Últimamente se han dado muchas discusiones sobre los timers, tamaño de las facciones, equilibrio en el juego, etc. En este foro y en el de National News.

Una cosa que creo que queda clara es que España no es una facción "cómoda" para los jugadores que no hablan español. Pese a algunos esfuerzos por mejorar, especialmente en el chat de nación, la mayor parte de la información se sigue intercambiando en Español, y las dinámicas del TS se siguen llevando a cabo en la lengua de Cervantes.

 

Por supuesto que esto nos supone una dificultad, especialmente en momentos en los que españa necesita nuevos jugadores, para ampliar nuestros horarios de juego, e intentar armonizarlos con otras naciones hostiles a España, con poblaciones mayores y geográficamente más diversas.

 

Así que me gustaría empezar esta discusión para todos los capitanes de España, para intercambiar ideas sobre cómo hacer la vida más fácil para aquellos de nosotros que no hablan Esañol. Aquí lanzo un par de ideas:

 

- En el TS: Establecer un cuerpo de traductores que hagan de vínculo con los clanes no hispanohablantes: los rusos, alemanes y nuestra gran población de polinesios. Uno o dos oficiales de enlace serían suficientes para pasarles información esencial sobre batallas de puerto, situación política, y consultarles sobre sus necesidades y opiniones.

- En el chat nacional: Lo mismo, información esencial sobre flotas enemigas, corsarios y batallas se debería de compartir en un código más entendible a los angloparlantes: por ejemplo, Holand en vez de berenjeno, compartir coordinadas en vez de indicaciones, etc.

- En Habana: Intentar crear un ambiente más amistoso poara los nuevos jugadores. Reactivar las actividades de la Academia Naval  con capitanes voluntarios de experiencia de todos los clanes, para hacer misiones, entrenar y escoltar a los jugadores nuevos. Quizás estableciendo un horario de misiones para los diferentes grados en Inglés y Español, con algunos de nosotros compartiendo la responsabilidad de entrenar a los reclutas.

 

¿Otras ideas o sugerencias? Gracias por compartir vuestra opinión aquí.

 

Brigadier Don Sancho Navarro.

 

 

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Creo que lo mas practico seria que los jugadores de habla extranjera se congregaran en clanes y que a estos clanes se les designara un delegado, un intermediario capaz de hablar con fluidez ambos idiomas.

De esta forma cuando se reunieran los clanes principales este delegado transmitiera el parecer del clan que representa asi como transmitir al mismo las decisiones que en la reunion se tomaran.

Lo del chat de nacion lo veo esencial y decir, 1 brits renomee at Baja lo entiende toda la peña.

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Creo que el tema de relaciones con clanes no hispanohablantes debiera ir más lejos e incluirlos en la toma de decisiones y no solo informarles de decisiones ya tomadas.

Respecto al TS, cualquiera con conocimientos suficiente puede pasarse por las salas de los susodichos ha comunicar cosas puntuales, sin necesidad de designar puestos y/o cargos oficiales. Santxo, eres el mejor candidato en cualquiet caso jajajja

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Gran iniciativa sancho!

 

 Dentro de mis capacidades (que hablando son aun mas limitadas como ya habéis sufrido algunos en el TS cuando he intentado hacer de enlace con aliados) contad conmigo para lo que queráis.

 

 Aprovecho para recordar que este subforo no es de la facción , sino de los jugadores hispanohablantes de cualquier faccion... en otros subforos por idiomas (por ejemplo el aleman) participan tambien jugadores de nuestra facción...al igual que este subforo esta abierto a jugadores de otras facciones que dominen el castellano.

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Obviously I am not playing for Spain but just as some quick advice (that you can discard if you don't like it)

You are discussing how you can make life easier for non Spanish speaking players in your community but with the exception of the OP you are doing it in Spanish only.

If you have non Spanish speaking players it might be a good idea not to exclude them from your discussion and offer an English version of your answer. Maybe they have some perspective on what they wild need from you too, but can't join this discussion because of the language barrier.

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También yo me ofrezco para hacer de Liaison con clanes o jugadores que no hablen español especialmente bien, y que hablen inglés.

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Estaria bien tener varios por si falla uno o por si cada uno juega en una franja horaria distinta. Que se intente que siempre haya uno conectado.

Pero de verdad, estas iniciativas tienen que salir adelante.

Sugiero que hagais copy paste del link de este tema y lo mandeis por privado a los oficiales de los clanes extranjeros asi como directamente en el chat de la nacion.

Of course, any non spanish speaker captain is wellcome here to give more ideas.

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Obviously I am not playing for Spain but just as some quick advice (that you can discard if you don't like it)

You are discussing how you can make life easier for non Spanish speaking players in your community but with the exception of the OP you are doing it in Spanish only.

If you have non Spanish speaking players it might be a good idea not to exclude them from your discussion and offer an English version of your answer. Maybe they have some perspective on what they wild need from you too, but can't join this discussion because of the language barrier.

 

Good point.... but to be true as I said  (in spanish) this forum is not   Spain factions' , but the spanish language one , open to players of any faction who speaks spanish,... as in the german , russian, etc subforums non-spanish text is kind of "offtopic" by nature..  and this topic should be in general forums

 

Reality dictates otherwise ... due to most of spanish faction players speaking/writing in spanish the subforum is heavily biassed to the faction by "natural causes" so in the spirit of sancho open mindness is needed and english answer -as yours- are allowed and even encouraged, even more if they are bilingual as sanchos´.

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Obviously I am not playing for Spain but just as some quick advice (that you can discard if you don't like it)

You are discussing how you can make life easier for non Spanish speaking players in your community but with the exception of the OP you are doing it in Spanish only.

If you have non Spanish speaking players it might be a good idea not to exclude them from your discussion and offer an English version of your answer. Maybe they have some perspective on what they wild need from you too, but can't join this discussion because of the language barrier.

 

Thanks for your view.

We are trying to do exactly that, receive new non spanish speakers players and beeing introducing in our comunity and of course in the spanish decissions.....

This weekend we have some new players....... We hope this number will improve asap.

 

Thanks to give us your advice....

 

Edit: We are trying to do that and add these new non spanish speakers, but..... don't be so confident.......... Better if you say your spys to learn spanish............... ;)    

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Hello everybody.

There has been a lot of discussion lately about timers, faction size, game balance, etc. In this forum and National news.

One thing I believe is clear is that Spain is not a "comfortable" nation to non Spanish speaking players. Despite some efforts to improve, especially in the nation chat, most of the information is still exchanged in Spanish, and the TS dynamics are mostly carried out in Cervantes tongue.

Of course, this poses a difficulty, especially in a moment when Spain needs new players, broaden our connection timers, to try to match those of other nations hostile to Spain, with a larger, and more geographically diverse population.

So, I would like to start this discussion for all of Spain´s Captains, to exchange ideas on how to make life easier for those of us that do not speak Spanish. Here I toss a couple of ideas:

- In the TS: establish a corps of translators, that are nominated liaisons to non Spanish speaking clans, Russians, Germans, and our large and always welcome population of Polynesians. One or two liaison officers would do the trick, to pass on essential information about port battles, political situation, check about their needs and opinions, etc.

- In the National chat: The same, all essential information about enemy fleets/privateers, battles, should be shared in an English-friendly code: for example Holand instead of berenjeno, sharing coordinates instead of indications, etc.

- In Havana: Try to create a friendlier environment for new players. Restarting the activities of the Naval Academy, with volunteer experienced captains from all clans, to do missions, train and escort the new players. Maybe a Schedule of missions could be established for different grades, in English and Spanish, with some of us sharing the responsibility of training recruits.

Any other ideas or suggestions? thank you for sharing your opinions here.

Brigadier Don Sancho Navarro

Hola a todos:

Últimamente se han dado muchas discusiones sobre los timers, tamaño de las facciones, equilibrio en el juego, etc. En este foro y en el de National News.

Una cosa que creo que queda clara es que España no es una facción "cómoda" para los jugadores que no hablan español. Pese a algunos esfuerzos por mejorar, especialmente en el chat de nación, la mayor parte de la información se sigue intercambiando en Español, y las dinámicas del TS se siguen llevando a cabo en la lengua de Cervantes.

Por supuesto que esto nos supone una dificultad, especialmente en momentos en los que españa necesita nuevos jugadores, para ampliar nuestros horarios de juego, e intentar armonizarlos con otras naciones hostiles a España, con poblaciones mayores y geográficamente más diversas.

Así que me gustaría empezar esta discusión para todos los capitanes de España, para intercambiar ideas sobre cómo hacer la vida más fácil para aquellos de nosotros que no hablan Esañol. Aquí lanzo un par de ideas:

- En el TS: Establecer un cuerpo de traductores que hagan de vínculo con los clanes no hispanohablantes: los rusos, alemanes y nuestra gran población de polinesios. Uno o dos oficiales de enlace serían suficientes para pasarles información esencial sobre batallas de puerto, situación política, y consultarles sobre sus necesidades y opiniones.

- En el chat nacional: Lo mismo, información esencial sobre flotas enemigas, corsarios y batallas se debería de compartir en un código más entendible a los angloparlantes: por ejemplo, Holand en vez de berenjeno, compartir coordinadas en vez de indicaciones, etc.

- En Habana: Intentar crear un ambiente más amistoso poara los nuevos jugadores. Reactivar las actividades de la Academia Naval con capitanes voluntarios de experiencia de todos los clanes, para hacer misiones, entrenar y escoltar a los jugadores nuevos. Quizás estableciendo un horario de misiones para los diferentes grados en Inglés y Español, con algunos de nosotros compartiendo la responsabilidad de entrenar a los reclutas.

¿Otras ideas o sugerencias? Gracias por compartir vuestra opinión aquí.

Brigadier Don Sancho Navarro.

Totally agree.

They must take part in decision -making.

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Edit: We are trying to do that and add these new non spanish speakers, but..... don't be so confident.......... Better if you say your spys to learn spanish............... ;)    

Hablo la lengua - no es un problema ;)

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Hablo la lengua - no es un problema ;)

Tú juegas como inglés, así que no se te pierde nada aquí.

You are sailing the GB flag, so this is not for you.

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Tú juegas como inglés, así que no se te pierde nada aquí.

You are sailing the GB flag, so this is not for you.

 

Como se ha dicho este no es el foro de faccion sino de idioma asi que se le ha perdido lo mismo que al resto de los que sean capaces de entender el castellano.

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Lo que dice Einshen ha sido un error que ha ocurrido aquí desde que estoy en el juego. Este no es ni el foro de la facción ni el lugar para hablar de muchos de esos "temas de facción"....

Y si vienen jugadores británicos capaces de entender a cervantes serán bievenidos, yo no entiendo que cojones escribia el manco ese xD

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Como se ha dicho este no es el foro de faccion sino de idioma asi que se le ha perdido lo mismo que al resto de los que sean capaces de entender el castellano.

 

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Yo cada vez me asombro más con la gente. Si esto no fuera para todo el mundo, no tendrían acceso. ¿Acaso a nosotros se nos ha perdido algo en el foro inglés? Que yo sepa llevamos desde el primer día leyendo el foro inglés porque solo existía ese y nadie nos ha echado de allí. 

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Yo no creo que haya que echar a nadie de ningun sitio, pero este foro o seccion del foro es para escribir en español, lo minimo que se puede pedir aqui es que se escriba en ese idioma aunque sea usando el traductor de google, y se se escribe en otro idioma, acto seguido incluir la traduccion, al menos eso es lo que yo entiendo al leer "Naval Action - Spanish language.

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Muy buenos dias, senores capitanes,

 

and that's where my Castellano ends, pretty much. I'm German, with good English and poor Spanish skills, playing in an alemanohablante clan for the Spanish Crown.

I'd like to point out that essentially, we have two communication scenarios that we need to sort out as a nation if we want to kick some perfidous Albion (or whatever) backside.

 

(1) One is the strategic level, where port attacks are planned, attack responses are organised etc. Let's call this: open-world communications. As far as I can see, this is based largely on the 'Nation' chat and the Spanish TS. I think this is where we can improve a lot by establishing some sort of clan delegate system, where officers who speak Spanish and another language act as representatives (bottom-up) of their clans and relay decisions/commands (top-down). I'm saying this because my clan has two Spanish-and-German speakers who fill this role and it works quite well. More of this = more controlled Spanish power projection where it hurts.

 

(2) On the other hand: we need tactical 3C (command, control, communication) in battles. Let me submit an approach for discussion: TS will be the method of coordination for Spanish speakers (obviously). I woud ask the Spanish speakers to be aware that there may be non-Spanish-speakers in the battle, and to address them in the chat in English. For us non-Spanish speakers, if we have a bi-lingual in the battle, he should be on the Spanish TS, to relay communications.

And really? By now there is a lot of experience in the game, so I think we should be able to get over any critical situations with improvisation and an atittude of "He's not stupid just because he doesn't speak my language".

 

At the end of the day, my perceptions are:

Yes, there is a language barrier.

And: with a bit of good will, grown-up behaviour and some volunteers stepping forward, I'm quite sure we'll be able to handle both levels, For the good of El Rey Nuestro Senor.

 

Hasta el proximo,

Don Cristobal Sotavento

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Muy buenos dias, senores capitanes,

and that's where my Castellano ends, pretty much. I'm German, with good English and poor Spanish skills, playing in an alemanohablante clan for the Spanish Crown.

I'd like to point out that essentially, we have two communication scenarios that we need to sort out as a nation if we want to kick some perfidous Albion (or whatever) backside.

(1) One is the strategic level, where port attacks are planned, attack responses are organised etc. Let's call this: open-world communications. As far as I can see, this is based largely on the 'Nation' chat and the Spanish TS. I think this is where we can improve a lot by establishing some sort of clan delegate system, where officers who speak Spanish and another language act as representatives (bottom-up) of their clans and relay decisions/commands (top-down). I'm saying this because my clan has two Spanish-and-German speakers who fill this role and it works quite well. More of this = more controlled Spanish power projection where it hurts.

(2) On the other hand: we need tactical 3C (command, control, communication) in battles. Let me submit an approach for discussion: TS will be the method of coordination for Spanish speakers (obviously). I woud ask the Spanish speakers to be aware that there may be non-Spanish-speakers in the battle, and to address them in the chat in English. For us non-Spanish speakers, if we have a bi-lingual in the battle, he should be on the Spanish TS, to relay communications.

And really? By now there is a lot of experience in the game, so I think we should be able to get over any critical situations with improvisation and and atittude of "He's not stupid just because he doesn't speak my language".

At the end of the day, my perceptions are:

Yes, there is a language barrier.

And: with a bit of good will, grown-up behaviour and some volunteers stepping forward, I'm quite sure we'll be able to handle both levels, For the good of El Rey Nuestro Senor.

Hasta el proximo,

Don Cristobal Sotavento

Thx a lot for your point of view. We need more like yours in order to improve.

Hope this ideas will be taken into account and applied as fast as possible, for the good of the nation.

A mis estimados compatriotas, tenemos que mover el culete, ellos, como nosotros, son el futuro de la nacion.

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