Paint schemes requests

[Sir William Hargood]

A more traditional Royal Navy paint scheme before the adoption of the Nelson Chequer:

Edited October 27, 2017 by Sir William Hargood

[LeBoiteux]

This ship :

(Rattle)

with this paint scheme :

(L'Hermione)

(with blue azure as on L'Hermione or instead plain black on the tafferel)

to end with something like that :

Edited December 31, 2018 by LeBoiteux

[Njord]

 

"Rouge Noir" for Le Requin, please. Maybe more gold, red and black than in the picture even.

@admin My wallet is ready, almighty sea god.

 

[LeBoiteux]

Le Requin

= Paint schème of the historical ship model of Le Requin (or L'Indiscret, her sister ship) that was made at the same time as both ships (1750). 

Colors : black, brown, red ochre, gold (sculpture)

Model displayed at the Naval Museum with several pics (details) here.

The sails could be all white (as above)  or even better, two white and one red ochre as below :

PS : differences in the colors (ocre, white...) of the sails was a way to recognize a known ship at sea.

 

Edited March 23, 2019 by LeBoiteux

[Baptiste Gallouédec]

Now that the dlc painter have been released, here is the list of ships with no paint options:

 

-cutter - privateer - trader lynx/lynx - trader brig/brig - snow/t-snow

-Surprise - frigate /p-frigate - hercules - le requin - Endymion - Indefatigable - Hermione - (Cerberus would benefit better ones too) - Indiaman - Le gros ventre

-Aggamemnon - 3rd rate - Ocean

 

All those ships would benefit from having at least 3 choices: black with white stripe, black with wood stripe, black with red stripe.

Then maybe we can talk about original ones like pink stripes, the red & black wih thin white stripe (ala Santa Cecilia my favorite) , white + grey + thin red stripe ala Wasa, Swede blue & wood, French (hermione scheme), Brest harbour, Black with thin white stripe & thin red line (ala lgv refit) & other black&wood variants.

 

I've bought the dlc for support, but now that most of the ships benefiting from paints dlc are behind rng permits, i think including the non-permits ones should be a priority.

Edited March 25, 2019 by Baptiste Gallouédec

[LeBoiteux]

@Baptiste Gallouédec

Hoping these ships will get something too. I guess it takes time and work... Not sure every ship will get an additional paint.

I don't know whether or not you read this additional hint :

On 3/21/2019 at 12:56 PM, admin said:

there are 49 approved paints (they are in paint chest - that drops from the treasure fleet event). In total there is currently around 100+ additional unapproved paints. almost all or all will get to DLC.

[LeBoiteux]

For Le Requin

Paint scheme of the Corsican Xebec 'La Galeotta'

Xebec of the Corsican navy sailed by Captain Peri, offered by the Order of Malta in 1754 (during the Revolution for independence from Genoa).Then Corsica was handed over to France in 1768.

source

Edited March 28, 2019 by LeBoiteux

[Shuckle the 3rd]

would love to see that paint for the wapen von hamburg in the game

[Angus MacDuff]

5 minutes ago, Shuckle the 3rd said:

would love to see that paint for the wapen von hamburg in the game

Why you wanna dress up that old tart??

[Shuckle the 3rd]

13 minutes ago, Angus MacDuff said:

Why you wanna dress up that old tart??

because she deserves it :P

[LeBoiteux]

For La Renommée

Paint scheme of a French Corvette/light frigate of the 18th century

Painting of the quays at Bordeaux (France). (Thus the 'Bordeaux paint scheme' ?)

 

  = a kind of faded, washed-out version of the Vanilla paint scheme of in-game La Renommée, but with :

• a French arming cloth (pavois) : blue canvas studded with yellow fleurs de lys and framed with stripes that look yellow but might be white (according to a law of 1670)
• a brighter red-ochre colour on the desks
• red-ochre on the masts
• window frames in yellow/gold  :

 

 

 

 

Edited April 2, 2019 by LeBoiteux
with info found in various posts below

[Malachi]

Pretty sure that the blue stripe with the fleur de lis is painted canvas, I think the English name is arming cloth (the british version was red with a thin white stripe).

[LeBoiteux]

9 hours ago, Malachi said:

Pretty sure that the blue stripe with the fleur de lis is painted canvas, I think the English name is arming cloth (the british version was red with a thin white stripe).

Do you really mean by "painted canvas" that it was painted on a long canvas by a painter then fixed all around the ship ? Or was it an embroidered cloth ?

By 'arming cloth" , you mean a cloth (?) depicting the Arms of a nation (fleur de lys for France on blue, red and white stripes for UK), right ? When was the ship 'dressed with this 'cloth' ? Only on occasions, right ?

One can see on this very painting that this ship carries :

• une flamme de guerre :

• le grand pavillon de poupe :

 

 

As a consequence, under this cloth, the topsides were certainly black (or say grey if one wants them a bit more faded), right ?

[Shuckle the 3rd]

somethinlike that would be awesome for vic or probably some 2nd rates too

just wood, some black paint and a ton of gold ;D

Edited March 29, 2019 by Shuckle the 3rd

[Malachi]

On 3/29/2019 at 8:02 AM, LeBoiteux said:

Do you really mean by "painted canvas" that it was painted on a long canvas by a painter then fixed all around the ship ?

Canvas = same material the sails are made of

These arming cloths (or 'fights') were the precursor of the hammock netting, in use until the middle of the 18th century.

The pic you posted is the only one I know where french arming cloths are depicted.

Here is the british version, red with a thin white border:

 

Boscawen (ex-La Medée), 1752

 

'Resolution in a Gale', Van de Velde, ca. 1678

Edited April 5, 2019 by Malachi

[Wagram]

2 hours ago, Malachi said:

The pic you posted is the only one I know where french arming cloths are depicted.

Keep searching, you'll find more, e.g. here...

La Ville de Paris (along quarter deck only):

Le Terrible (Fleurs de lys painted over - like the flags - during the Revolution):

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b550024054/f1.item.r=le%20terrible%20vaisseau.zoom

Originally, it looked like that (bad quality picture only, sorry):

https://www.google.ch/search?q=le+terrible+vaisseau+110&tbm=isch&source=hp&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVw7-Yg6jhAhUHsaQKHeALDiEQsAR6BAgIEAE&biw=1178&bih=622#imgrc=I_QoNAWTzjTBZM:

 

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by Wagram

[Malachi]

Thanks, Wagram

[Malachi]

Found another one with french arming cloths. Sexeeey:

Battle of St. Kitts

Another pretty nice paint scheme:

White Quarterdeck barricades. Looks good on the Royal Sovereign

[LeBoiteux]

So, about the blue painting on the upper parts of the topsides of L'Hermione I framed in red :

• Is it a kind of modern mistake, a painted representation of what was in fact at that time a French arming cloth ?
• or was this very paint really used there at that time, maybe to look like/replace/fake an arming cloth ?

Edited March 30, 2019 by LeBoiteux

[LeBoiteux]

Drawing made in 1673 of a French ship with the same decoration of Fleur-de-lys on upper-works as on the 18th century light frigate above :

source : here

Edited March 30, 2019 by LeBoiteux

[Wagram]

21 hours ago, LeBoiteux said:

So, about the blue painting on the upper parts of the topsides of L'Hermione I framed in red :

• Is it a kind of modern mistake, a painted representation of what was in fact at that time a French arming cloth ?
• or was this very paint really used there at that time, maybe to look like/replace/fake an arming cloth ?

Hardly a mistake, in my opinion, as it was quite the habit to paint the upper parts of the hull wall in a different/emblematic colour, and certainly not intended to fake or replace arming cloths. As far as I can see arming cloths - of both decorative and, to some extent, protective value -were mainly used to cover open railings, apparently often repeating the paint scheme of the upper walls. Lavish extra decoration of the upper wall with fleurs de lys was no longer the fashion in the later 18th century (and probably deemed too costly as well), so they usually were omitted on the ship's wall but, evidently, not (always) on the arming cloths which, after all, were moveable items, easily stowed and reusable on any vessel.

Edited March 31, 2019 by Wagram

[LeBoiteux]

 

@Wagram  Thx very much for this convincing and meticulous explanation (as always). 🙂

(edit) Arming cloth that could be with or without fleur de lys, depending on the political regime (monarchy, revolution-empire, restoration), I guess ? 

What is the French word(s) for "arming cloth' ?

Edited March 31, 2019 by LeBoiteux

[Wagram]

4 hours ago, LeBoiteux said:

What is the French word(s) for "arming cloth' ?

Pavois

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavois_(marine)

An 18th century source (p.102, s.v. pavois and pavoiser):

https://books.google.ch/books?id=lKoWAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=aune+de+pavois&source=bl&ots=wOUOtSV1UN&sig=ACfU3U0On77gFQo_JTwqZbkRTeKmdEc3_g&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwix5bCKwqzhAhVLvxoKHSXmBX0Q6AEwAHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=pavois&f=false

Edited March 31, 2019 by Wagram

[Wagram]

More French ships with "pavois fleurdelisés":

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Naval_manoeuvres_toulon_1777_img_9379.jpg

https://troisponts.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/commerce-de-marseille-2.jpg

and, again:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Vaisseau_de_guerre_fran%C3%A7ais_de_80_canons_pavois%C3%A9_en_1814.jpg

 

 

[Tomasso il Fortunato]

Those could be nice paints for Ocean .