[PVP1 EU] How power makes you sick

[Chimera]

dont kid yourself... alliance system stopped you from attacking nations your council (and the majority of people that make the decisions) has decided to be allied with.

the only one who lost something here is.... wait for it.... YOU

[Hethwill]

From what i've seen on the Politics everything is going according to the councils on the grand scheme of things in this first round.

[Gr3y]

lol this topic.

 

can i share my experience?

only once i try partecipate in a pb (i was in a inger in a 4rate pb btw) and now i know all the jobs my mother do at night   (i really don't care but others maybe care)

so, i stop caring about it and i go around/near pb with a frigate ganking lone/late players.

Hell i escorted a russian player last week to Azua i wasn't even interested in the pb but the last thing he said was "now go away noob we don't need you", LOL is not like he asked (try to think when one of his clan ask again for an escort what i'm going to answer...) 

 

I would actually lobby for a mechanic that makes PB entry invite only (maybe only for offensive ones because these are started organized and willed by a small group of players)
If I pay the ingame go for it and do all the work to organize it I think I should be able to prevent people from spoiling it (maybe even on purpose).
This argument does t work for defense, hence only for offensive battles.

Just LOL

if this is the case you can think the defense too

btw this is why i don't even care anymore when people call in chat "every ship needed for the defence of xxxx" and i think there are more people like me 

if we can't join cause we ruin your pb why lone/rogue players are blamed if they don't show at the defensive pb? really that piss me off. 

it's hard to write "follow x player we got a strategy" or "focus z" or "insert things here" in chat. 

 

because you think they do it on purpose? really? all are spy exept your clans member? lol

 

 

 

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On my part i play the game like i enjoy it but really stop saying your is the only way to play the game because your clan did an alliance/agreement with a clan from swerige/pirate/french/insert nation here.

 

And especially after this week when, after the brits buy a flag, the chat become a hell of different letters (imho those are hieroglyphs  ) of people that insult eachothers (devs we really need need a translate button or a way to copy more line of text) and as result there is only chaos like this topic where the OP said something that clans need to comunicate more to the plebs and you ended again talking of how you like the game in one way and fox2run(or others) in his way.

 

now btw all this discussion about politics is ininfluent because the alliance and war system make even rogue and lone players more focus in the direction chosen by all or the make less money and xp from pvp (even if they don't want)...

 

[Twig]

Well as far as I see this topic, something is terrible wrong in your country:

1)

 

Ehh. People dont need an invitation for a Port Battle. Maybe you like this to be an in-game mechanic? If so people would accept it, I guess. For me it does a significant difference: I do not like the idea of an alliance with France and Sweden but the mechanics simply overrules my opinion on the subject. I have to live with this fact (until the votes are casted in a better and more intelligent way in our nation - so be it). But regarding PBs EVERYONE has the RIGHT to join.

I just object against your "idea" here. Those clans/players do pay for the flag. Thus they should be able to decide who can join. If not, they just waste their money. If you buy a flag, you can decide, but think of it: you need at least a few players to do so. IF you join their Teamspeak I dont think they would reject you. Still in PB's it is a mayor advantage to use TS. It gives you the opportunity to react faster and use tatics suited for the battle. Also it really makes a big difference to join a BP with a second rate (or lower) or if you play with a first rate. You can say what you want to, but "size matters" here.

 

Hence, if they buy the flag, they will actualy have a fleet gathered already. They can decide who can join. There is no "everyone can join" because they paid for the flag and they already formed a group. Normaly those groups also practice those formations and tactis, so if you dont know those you just totaly destroy their game.

I think that their may be some open space in a few battles but even than TS should be necessary as you can see as above mentioned.
 

2)

 

Hell i escorted a russian player last week to Azua i wasn't even interested in the pb but the last thing he said was "now go away noob we don't need you", LOL is not like he asked (try to think when one of his clan ask again for an escort what i'm going to answer...) 

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And especially after this week when, after the brits buy a flag, the chat become a hell of different letters (imho those are hieroglyphs  ) of people that insult eachothers (devs we really need need a translate button or a way to copy more line of text) and as result there is only chaos like this topic where the OP said something that clans need to comunicate more to the plebs and you ended again talking of how you like the game in one way and fox2run(or others) in his way.

 

 

I think that is sad in both ways. To insult another player which is just helping out is terrbile. I cant understand what is going on in these players minds.
To reject to defense cause you want to repay them for the insults is also not the nice way but understandable. Still please dont forget that even though there was one who insulted you, other players put mayor effords to capture these harbors. You can decide what you want - I dont want to tell you that you cant decide to defend (I dont do that every time too). I just say, dont blame the whole group for the misbehavior of a few.

 

3)
@Helgur, maybe give it another try. Maybe, just maybe, it will work better than you think it could. I mean what can go wrong? That you loose a PB? Happens sometime.... But everyone should try to get the nation together so that everyone can enjoy the game.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Twig

[fox2run]

You dont seem to get my point.

 

If the game mechanics are changed so that PB is only for those invited by the buyer then its ok to be like you suggest. But now it is not so. Hence anyone can join.

 

And have the right to do it. 

 

I can whine about the alliances and you can whine about the joiners but we must respect the use of in-game mechanics without any home-made rules as yours can be as good as mine.

 

It is the IN-GAME-MECHANICS that are the rules here. Not any random principle discussed in a closed TS-forum. Sorry m8 - aint the way it works.

[Chimera]

imgame mechanics don't prevent you from spoiling their PB and don't prevent them from thinking you are an **** and kicked you off their TS and ignoring/not helping/making sure it's hard for you in game.

Same reasoning as yours. Do you like it?

[fox2run]

Its not the same reasoning. While im talking about respecting the in-game mechanics - you are talking about the opposite...

 

1) which is the frame to operate within? TS-forums (Im not on TS) OR

2) In-game mechanics?

 

Obviosly people that dont go to TS and listen to people open beer cans talking harsh and racists stuff dont get the rules made in these forums. So we need to operate within other frames. And here the in-game mechanics are pretty obvious to begin with - dont u see?

Edited August 23, 2016 by fox2run

[Twig]

You dont seem to get my point.

 

If the game mechanics are changed so that PB is only for those invited by the buyer then its ok to be like you suggest. But now it is not so. Hence anyone can join.

 

And have the right to do it. 

 

I can whine about the alliances and you can whine about the joiners but we must respect the use of in-game mechanics without any home-made rules as yours can be as good as mine.

 

It is the IN-GAME-MECHANICS that are the rules here. Not any random principle discussed in a closed TS-forum. Sorry m8 - aint the way it works.

Are you really that narrow-minded? Are you really that egoistic? Are you that narcissistic?

So you say: Just because the posibility is given, you can do what you want and snub those players which actualy opened the event for themself?

 

[Vernon Merrill]

This goes back to the age old "Just because you CAN doesnt mean you SHOULD" idiom...

 

Fox, you should be man enough to admit that as a player who doesnt communicate via TS in a port battle, you are seriously handicapping that team.  Communication is very important and having everyone stop what they're concentrating on to type "requests" to you is very selfish.  

 

You are correct when you say the game mechanics dont prohibit it.  However, nor do the game mechanics prohibit your faction mates from calling you out on your selfish behavior.

[fox2run]

So you are saying that in order to play NA you need TS? 

 

I dont think it is a demand? Maybe you are a bit too ambitious? Not everyone really see the lack of TS as a problem. Ususally the PBs are not a kept secret. You are often asked to join on national chat etc.... 

 

 

Are you really that narrow-minded? Are you really that egoistic? Are you that narcissistic?
 

 

No, I just have another opinion, you dont like. That does not make me anything of the above even though I must admit, that it is a pretty common strategy by clan-folks to use these terms. I represent another player group than you with other needs and approaches. You dont have the monopoly of this game.

 

This game IS NOT ONLY for the amibitiuos TS-clans. Its supposed to be played in many ways. Mine can be as good as yours. And now the game-mechanics tell where there is a PB - I guess in order to make people come and fight in them? But maybe Im wrong?

 

Let me take your argument and put it upside down:

 

Which narrowminded, egoistic and narcissistic player wouldnt share his port battle with the community?

[Vernon Merrill]

I'm saying that you KNOWINGLY put your faction at a disadvantage, yes.  And THAT is selfish.  

[fox2run]

I'm saying that you KNOWINGLY put your faction at a disadvantage, yes.  And THAT is selfish.  

 

What are you talking about? The team who has me on their side usually wins... 

With that said - maybe you should try to live in a game that has all kinds of players in it. Thats why we have game-mechanics... 

[Vernon Merrill]

Again,

 

You are correct when you say the game mechanics dont prohibit it.  However, nor do the game mechanics prohibit your faction mates from calling you out on your selfish behavior.

 

Good day, sir.

[fox2run]

Again,

 

You are correct when you say the game mechanics dont prohibit it.  However, nor do the game mechanics prohibit your faction mates from calling you out on your selfish behavior.

 

Good day, sir.

 

Ok - so any player joining any PB without TS should know that he will be called all kinds of crappy stuff? You hardcore guys is indeed a menace to this game. Im playing for the fun of it. Why dont you arrange some exclusive tournaments instead of coming to the PUBLIC OW?

[Vernon Merrill]

[Guest]

So if you're trying to capture a trader and I jump in and sinks it instead because "it's more fun for me and no in-game mechanic prevents it", you'd be fine with it and happily trod along?

 

This is the kind of silly reasoning that turns simple political dissent - which is fine on its own - into a shouting match... If you think that these things are unnecessary, feel free to run your own non-TS no-ship-restriction PBs and see what happens.

[Twig]

So you are saying that in order to play NA you need TS? 

 

I dont think it is a demand? Maybe you are a bit too ambitious? Not everyone really see the lack of TS as a problem. Ususally the PBs are not a kept secret. You are often asked to join on national chat etc.... 

 

 

 

No, I just have another opinion, you dont like. That does not make me anything of the above even though I must admit, that it is a pretty common strategy by clan-folks to use these terms. I represent another player group than you with other needs and approaches. You dont have the monopoly of this game.

 

This game IS NOT ONLY for the amibitiuos TS-clans. Its supposed to be played in many ways. Mine can be as good as yours. And now the game-mechanics tell where there is a PB - I guess in order to make people come and fight in them? But maybe Im wrong?

 

Let me take your argument and put it upside down:

 

Which narrowminded, egoistic and narcissistic player wouldnt share his port battle with the community?I

 

Do you even think about what you are writing? Just read again what I wrote earlier. I do not say: That you need TS for the whole game, but it is better to use it.

 

Still in PB's it is a mayor advantage to use TS. It gives you the opportunity to react faster and use tatics suited for the battle.

I think that their may be some open space in a few battles but even than TS should be necessary as you can see as above mentioned.

That "necessary" means, in the content, that it is better for the team and as such advisable to use it.

 

 

Thus said, that "normaly" you should at least be there when you enter a PB. Those PB's aren't for free. Those PB's is nothing that the game creats by itself. For those BP's you still need to buy a flag, to spend money. So the PB is mancreated and thus not a "normal" part of the game. Hence it is their decision whether they need someone outside of their clan / ts. It should be easy just to ask in the nationchat if you can join or if not. 

 

What would you do if the danes won't craft a flag anymore?

So for your last sentence: Those players which actualy have gathered the players for this PB. So for the people which actualy spent time to prepare the battle, those players which opened this special kind of battle espacaly for themself. This has nothing to do with "share with the community". That the battle opens is their efford and as such it is their decission.

You can open your own if you want to. But let them play their game also.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Twig

[Skully]

I see fox2run trolling from behind the game mechanics again. I still say he should be sentenced into Piracy.

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/15897-overrule-high-council-decisions-new-alliance-patch/?p=302047

[Knobby]

So if you're trying to capture a trader and I jump in and sinks it instead because "it's more fun for me and no in-game mechanic prevents it", you'd be fine with it and happily trod along?

This is exactly what he is advocating with his game-mechanics only bullshit.

 

Tbh i don't think he understands what a sandbox game is...

 

The real-life sandbox equivalent would be him crying to the pre school teachers because the other kids use toy shovels and buckets they brought to the sandbox to make their sandcastle. That's unfair! They are using stuff that's not built-in! Never mind that this allows them to make a bigger castle and that his inept digging right next to them makes their castle's foundation unstable and topple over. But if they complain about that or don't want to play with him because of it they are bullies and should just use the sandbox as is, without their home-made designs!

[fox2run]

This is exactly what he is advocating with his game-mechanics only bullshit.

 

Tbh i don't think he understands what a sandbox game is...

 

The real-life sandbox equivalent would be him crying to the pre school teachers because the other kids use toy shovels and buckets they brought to the sandbox to make their sandcastle. That's unfair! They are using stuff that's not built-in! Never mind that this allows them to make a bigger castle and that his inept digging right next to them makes their castle's foundation unstable and topple over. But if they complain about that or don't want to play with him because of it they are bullies and should just use the sandbox as is, without their home-made designs!

 

You can use all the shovels you like as long as you dont interfere with the other players sandcastles. Unfortunately thats seems not to be possible, so we need to divide the sandbox in a way, so you leave the other players alone, and let them to build their own castles the way, THEY like.

[Skully]

You can use all the shovels you like as long as you dont interfere with the other players sandcastles. Unfortunately thats seems not to be possible, so we need to divide the sandbox in a way, so you leave the other players alone, and let them to build their own castles the way, THEY like.

But regarding PBs EVERYONE has the RIGHT to join.

So why are you running into other players sandcastles/PBs?

[Knobby]

Yet you joining port battles they organized and paid for with a ship lacking the necessary BR is EXACTLY that, YOU are interfering with THEIR sandcastle, and then call them bullies, tyrants, and all kinds of unflattering things and in fact advocate banning them(!) when they complain about you interfering and don't want to play with you.

Edited August 24, 2016 by Knobby

[fox2run]

So why are you running into other players sandcastles/PBs?

 

OW is PUBLIC. PBs are PUBLIC. If you dont like a PUBLIC game then make your own, closed tournaments.

 

In the PUBLIC we have common rules. Those rules are steered and made by game-mechanics. Those are the laws we are submitted to.

 

You cannot open a PUBLIC PB and then make your OWN, PRIVATE rules. You are WRONG here!

[Guest]

OW is PUBLIC. PBs are PUBLIC. If you dont like a PUBLIC game then make your own, closed tournaments.

 

In the PUBLIC we have common rules. Those rules are steered and made by game-mechanics. Those are the laws we are submitted to.

 

You cannot open a PUBLIC PB and then make your OWN, PRIVATE rules. You are WRONG here!

 

So if you're trying to capture a trader and I jump in and sink it instead because "it's more fun for me and no in-game mechanic prevents it", you'd be fine with it and happily trod along?

 

Still waiting on an answer. The argument isn't that you can't do it, the argument is that impeding the work of others makes you an <insert expletive here>, and will have you treated accordingly.

[Fastidius]

OW is PUBLIC. PBs are PUBLIC. If you dont like a PUBLIC game then make your own, closed tournaments.

 

In the PUBLIC we have common rules. Those rules are steered and made by game-mechanics. Those are the laws we are submitted to.

 

You cannot open a PUBLIC PB and then make your OWN, PRIVATE rules. You are WRONG here!

MOAR caps.  it makes your argument stronger.