OlavDeng2 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Can i Just remind everyone that Off topic posts are still not accepted and will be removed without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4mi4nNL Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 brits take the port, dutch take the port - timer set to teh agreement - easily done Once.set than you can never change until a other naton take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyRoger1516 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 no not that easy becose of thise line F ) Dutch Spanish and British nations are forbidden to craft flags against each other crossed the entire area of Cuba and Jamaica. as far as I understood this you may change ports for such treaties and an attack that is being followed through can't particularly be called into tribunal - anyway per olav's request I'll cease any further talk on that topic now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneybird Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) The truce has been presented as a deal between three nations represent by their respective councils. Obviously this new development requires some more discussion/attention. Edited July 31, 2016 by Gooneybird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cragger Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) actually we are not screwing over the americans - PvP agains the spanish ships is still allowed - we merely cease the port attacks (outside of the gentlemen's zone) - you may tehrefore stills creen for the american ports or even their attacks Without pressure and a promise of not being pressured by the British and Dutch except for "Gentlemen" fights in specific areas guess where the Spanish are going to go, especially since the U.S. clans aren't represented in this treaty the British and Dutch are not beholden to assist against any Spanish aggression northward. In fact assisting outside these 'Gentlemen War' areas could be seen as a violation of the treaty. Quite a few U.S. clans and independents put in a lot of effort and expense assisting your operations during the 'coalition'. Being "left to hang in the wind" is not going to sit well with them. Edited July 31, 2016 by Cragger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneybird Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) It was made by "the most importants british and dutch clans" (KIN and 7UP), at least, that´s why I understood As usual incorrect with respect to both the presentation to the British Council and the approval procedure within the British Council. Edited July 31, 2016 by Gooneybird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeheil Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Obviously this needs Dutch council seal, again though in general I tip my hat to player made content like this. All treaties piss everyone off a bit. I personally would have preferred ANYTHING West of Conil/Cuyo and North of Tombado (but not East) to be open for biffo too. Rather than just handed back. A point of clarification on the Haiti ports being set back to a more French friendly TZ, are the Dutch and Brits going to reset these between them and then return them to Brit ? or do Brits need to shut ports down there ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) Pablo Frias, on 31 Jul 2016 - 11:26 PM, said: It was made by "the most importants british and dutch clans" (KIN and 7UP), at least, that´s why I understood 7 up is not the most important Dutch clan. they are the most active RVR clan yes but not the most important no we have a council of at least 8 different clans of differents sizes Edited July 31, 2016 by pietjenoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyRoger1516 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) Well clearly you need to get your house in order first before any diplomatic efforts can be made. It just remains a fact that jumping in and out of treaties like this for whatever reasons does not help your diplomatic credibility! Edited July 31, 2016 by JollyRoger1516 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nshivers Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 no one clan speaks for any one nation, and if this thing by this folks try and force this then i and meany others will simply ignore it and still fight on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ravenburg Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Was his agreement cleared by any of the Nations Councils? I mean, I like a war as much as anyone, however I would much prefer all of our nations unify against whatever is brewing in Mortimer. I as always will serve the flag and the King. All aggressors against British territory will be fair game to me. But, definitely, if this treaty is to continue, then we need whoever believes they speak for the council of each Nation to step up in this thread and either condone or dismiss this treaty. Regards, Ravenburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Frias Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) Pablo Frias, on 31 Jul 2016 - 11:26 PM, said: 7 up is not the most important Dutch clan. they are the most active RVR clan yes but not the most important no we have a council of at least 8 different clans of differents sizes As I said, those aren´t my words, that was I heared from another spanish player. Edited July 31, 2016 by Pablo Frias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Well clearly you need to get your house in order first before any diplomatic efforts can be made. It just remains a fact that jumping in and out of treaties like this for whatever reasons does not help your diplomatic credibility! Well like i said earlier this person is a self proclaimed diplomat and how do you suggest a clean house if this person acts on it own? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nshivers Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Well clearly you need to get your house in order first before any diplomatic efforts can be made. It just remains a fact that jumping in and out of treaties like this for whatever reasons does not help your diplomatic credibility! this is one gay / small group talking out of line how would you suggest we get are house in order ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cragger Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Obviously this needs Dutch council seal, again though in general I tip my hat to player made content like this. All treaties piss everyone off a bit. I personally would have preferred ANYTHING West of Conil/Cuyo and North of Tombado (but not East) to be open for biffo too. Rather than just handed back. A point of clarification on the Haiti ports being set back to a more French friendly TZ, are the Dutch and Brits going to reset these between them and then return them to Brit ? or do Brits need to shut ports down there ? A good treaty none of the parties are completely satisfied, you've said this yourself. However a bad treaty isolates and excludes a party which this does. It took a lot of very early hours coordination and effort for the U.S. players to push down the Bahamas and pressure the Pirates and to make legit pressure on the North of Cuba and not just hollow flag pulls. Yet here this treaty doesn't include them and I don't see that having a good outcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabral Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Keeping U.S. nation out of this treaty negotiations and not hearing their opinion was a bad decision. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 The question is, dont the dutch achieve what they wanted with this war against Spain? The buffer zone is stablished, Spain and its community is not wiped (maybe now you want to?), the Dutch are the guardians of the server balance... What do you want? it is ready to destroy the US community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4mi4nNL Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 it is ready to destroy the US communityI dont think you should do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) Dont understand how this Treaty piss off Dutch interests. This Treaty allows ow pvp and some pb pvp and it opens new doors for the end of an hostility rised too much since February. because the Treaty is made by a single person and had no involment of the Diplomats Edited July 31, 2016 by pietjenoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyRoger1516 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Well like i said earlier this person is a self proclaimed diplomat and how do you suggest a clean house if this person acts on it own? he currently resides in an embessay on our TeamSpeak - maybe you might wanna have a chat with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenakha Kan Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Pellasgoss... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingslynn93 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 For anyone reading this treaty this has not been cleared through the Dutch Council. So please do not take any notice, we have a clan acting on their own. Sorry US, we (DAS) will not agree to this treaty and leave you on your own against the Spanish and Pirates. We will sail to you and help you if necessary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Pellasgoss... Don't give him all the cerdit, Praefect know about it as well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4mi4nNL Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 I must confess that I did not like this thing at the begining. But seeing all the rections I´m starting to love it. Hey, if so many brits, dutch and americans hate it can´t be so bad. In regard to americans, I am sure that if the US returns Las Tortugas, Cayo Vacas, Cayo de Sal and La Anguilla, and put their feet off Cuba, no one would waste the wonderful nights of August in Spain attacking ports or destroying communities. I´m not diplomat, I´m a particular. Always do we give spain something and what do we get back? Nothing indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Always do we give spain something and what do we get back? Nothing indeed Secure borders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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