Ruthless4u Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just curious if the Barbary States were actually considered States/Nations as what is considered by the modern definition? This thread is meant to be a historical discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Quertier Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I don't know a huge amount about it myself. At a guess I would think that the area referred to as Barbary states, was the name given to an area that didn't have a central government as we see it. But a group of smaller 'states' possibly tribal or clan based. I know they were quite handy pirates. But I have made this comment without looking up my answer so I'm probably completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 They were pretty independent at start but i think later they adopted the "bey" and "pasha" turkish system since they had close ties with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 "The Barbary States were a collection of North African states, many of which practiced state-supported piracy in order to exact tribute from weaker Atlantic powers. Morocco was an independent kingdom, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli Owed a loose allegiance to the Ottoman Empire." From a quick Google search, so going by this they were not a nation by themselves but more individual countries/cities that practiced piracy while being puppets for the ottoman turks. The word Barbary was actually a European Term that was assigned to them after them originating from the collective land of the Berber people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderhorn Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Notional vassal states of the Ottoman Empire. Edited March 31, 2016 by Powderhorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrapeShot Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 The Barbary States were provinces and/or dependencies of the Ottoman empire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Provinces of the Ottoman Empire, nominally independent. There was also the Sultanate of Morocco under the Alaouite dynasty (Morocco's current rulers are their descendants.) Look up the 1816 Battle of Algiers, guys. The Dey of Algiers commanded tens of thousands of troops, defending a heavily-fortified capital with 1000 cannon. It was basically the First Battle of Copenhagen all over again. And the British engaged in very formal diplomatic negotiations between sovereign powers both preceding and following the battle. But the Dey employed a lot of corsairs and privateers, so I guess that makes him Captain Hook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justme Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 So the Barbary states were sovereign and that argument of the pro rat players can no longer be used to justify pirates in their current game state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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