Thonar Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) The problem with RNoN and DRUNK is that they tried to bring two nations into a war, not because they want to have a war, but for the sole purpose to destroy the achievements (implementing an improvised diplomacy system) and fun of other players of their own nation That is their only goal. Such people are called griefer... and such actions must be punished as griefer are in other games, even when it is only to make DRUNK and RNoN pirate clans for the sole purpose to show that such actions are not tolerated. Edited March 28, 2016 by Thonar 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Birdy Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 The problem with RNoN and DRUNK is that they tried to bring two nations into a war, not because they want to have a war, but for the sole purpose to destroy the achievements and fun of other players of their own nation. You call such people griefer... and such actions must be punished, even when it is only to make DRUNK and RNoN pirate clans for the sole purpose to show that such actions are not tolerated. Just because you dont agree how we play the game dosent mean its wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiedemann Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 All players benefit from the capture of ports and the allianse we now have. I don't know if they are being bought off to sabotage our alliance with Sverige or if they are just a bunch of selfish players, but the fact is that these guys are not cooperating with the rest of the nation. I think some sort of punishment is in order and it would actually be realistic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDC Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) For a nation who have had a lot of incidents of misusing the game mechanics and breaking rules, i think it is a bit rich to report some other players to the tribunal for NOT breaking any rules at all. there is no offical diplomacy, you people arrogantly assume that you represent the nation but actually you represent the interests of a group of clans who call themselves the nation. until there is official diplomacy and until we see what form that takes, they have done nothing wrong. Perhaps you should try what the other nations like Britain do, where we get everyone to work together with talk and diplomacy and agreements and concessions, not by bullying and threats on the forums. no wonder people refuse to do what you want them to if this is how you arrogantly treat 'dissent'. they bought the same game as you and they are playing by the rules, you have no rights over them. sorry. that's life. get over it. Edited March 28, 2016 by JCDC 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Smith Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) On behalf of most major clans of Denmark-Norway, I have been asked to start a tribunal against the clan RNoN. We accuse RNoN for high treason against his majesty the King and suggest his clan and it's members be outcasts of the Danish-Norwegian nation and be forced to Pirate nation. Since they arrived in the West Indies, they have stated that they wanted to do their own thing and not respect the treaties that has been agreed upon by all major clans in his majesty the kings service. Since they came, they where informed about our current dipomatic standings and offered a seat at the table. They have refused to follow the rest of the nation, and have even broken the peace treaty signed by all the major clans, in their own interest and not in the nations nor the Kings best interest. This clan and it's leader seems to feed of making the nation crumble. Today they attacked 2 ports belonging to Sweden and by that braking the treaty. We consider this as high treason and they should be dealt with as traitors. We hope the Tribunal takes this into consideration and sentence the clan and it's members to the Pirate faction, and strip them off whatever dignity they had left. On behalf of the RDNN - Royal Danish Norwegian Navy Herminator The Danish King have not appointed Mr.Herminator to make treacherous deals with our sworn enemies the swedes. I hereby declare that herminator is a criminal that Presumes to speak for the king for this He should answer to no one but the king. after recent corespondance with the Danish king In Copenhagen he wrote as following "This Herminator characther you write about has no athourity to make deals on my Behalf neither will he ever have the Authority to Order the Danish high seas Fleet" I still feel it is wrong by moderator to move this thread to National News. If this clan wants to do it's own things. Disrespect all treaties that all major clans had agreed upon, then what is the point of having nations at all? Then we should just all go pirate and all go PVP. Ports should then be held by clans not nations. We need a tribunal to sentence this to be honest. This has nothing to do with national news. As long as we don't have diplomacy tools, this is the only way to keep nations tight and together. A clan consisting of 40players, less than 10 flagcaptains is actually dictating now the entire nation. Is that fair? This is an act of treason, and we consider them less than pirates. Even pirates have the dignity to actually admit they are pirates. Most of the people of this clan only does this to provoke and to feed of the missery of others it seems. So let us hope that justice is served in this case and that this post gets moved back to tribunal. and you pressume that you would be the leader of this tribunal.. hah i find this motion that you disagree with people that dont follow your orders Quote RIDICULOS we tried to talk to you personally i tried response i got was this "You are a bunch of idiots" this was a quote from herminator's own lips. Edited March 29, 2016 by Samuel Smith 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Underpants Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) I really do not like the presumption that larger clans and groups should be able to force/bully everyone in their own nation to play a particular way. Yes, monarchs/parliaments would decide who a nation was at peace/war with and expect their captains/admirals to follow. But you are equating large clans etc with these monarchs/parliaments rather than with the captains/admirals which would be more accurate. This is part of the reason why I have recently come to the conclusion that when a diplomacy system is introduced (and this is urgently needed), alliances/wars should be dictated by the devs rather than the players. As, at first glance, this may not seem an appealing idea to many, I do plan to explain my thoughts in more detail in the suggestion forum when I have the time. Finally - to seem this tribunal-worthy and ask for players to be punished seems incredibly petty to me. Edited March 28, 2016 by Captain Underpants 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herminator Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 This is part of the reason why I have recently come to the conclusion that when a diplomacy system is introduced (and this is urgently needed), alliances/wars should be dictated by the devs rather than the players. As, at first glance, this may not seem an appealing idea to many, I do plan to explain my thoughts in more detail in the suggestion forum when I have the time. Actually not a bad idea.. The rest I don't agree with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stauning Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Here is my 2 cents on this matter.. First of all, I am not sure what it takes for a game to become a sandbox. When you launch this game you get the option to select a nation or a pirate faction. In my eyes you get the choice of picking a large faction or a "do as you like" pirate approach to the game. I chose the Danish nation to be part of something and fight for common interests. Why would I make this choice if I just wanted to do my own thing entirely and piss on everyone who tried to cooperate and coordinate ? Wouldn't the pirate faction be a more sound choice for me then? It is not like you are locked-in if you chose a nation, since the game offer you an option for switching to the pirate faction, also, If you are part of a nation and you don't agree upon whatever the "leadership" decides, then rally allies and gain enough power and support to turn the nation into whatever direction you see fit. Claim and rule/control rather than trying to sabotage it for the rest of your "team". If you don't succeed in claiming power, then make the switch, it is that simple. So, to address the current issue, RNoN should simply switch to the pirate faction, since they are not interested fighting for the common good of their nation. Stauning, Captain of the "Social democrat" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Quertier Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 as I said in the other thread as well..... Common sense goes a long way So where is the common sense in trying to get a bunch of guys punished for playing a game they bought how they want (inside the game rules). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 So where is the common sense in trying to get a bunch of guys punished for playing a game they bought how they want (inside the game rules). A diplomacy sytem is actually an expansion on the rules. A new set for them to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thonar Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Just because you dont agree how we play the game dosent mean its wrong. This is why I used the term griefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thp Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 It looks like every nations have the same trouble, the tactic is exactly the same, trying to make 2 nations in peace attacking each other. Who will benefit from that situation ? Just try to find the answer to that question and you will know who is behind that.Anyway always using the same scheme is not that good, it s so obvious that sometime the opposite applies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Quertier Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 A diplomacy sytem is actually an expansion on the rules. A new set for them to play with. What diplomacy system. There isn't one yet, I'm sure when one is brought in and it becomes binding then individuals won't have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonredz Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I find this whole post funny. I've been reported for been a member of a clan and that people want to force me into a new faction, I know the mods have been here but still. I got gifted this game to play with my friends, and thats what I do. My basic noobish understanding of this game is that we are all captains of ships and sail around, doing stuff. I'm fine with this To see people gives themself Royal Titels, drag in Real-Life logic dictating how I most play this game or I ruin it for everyone. I realy dont think I had that kind of power and still dont think I got it. But ye now Ive been reported by someone that wants to force me into pirate faction for some reason and I've done high treason. I think people take this game extreamly serious where all laidback casual people that doesnt take part with ther gameplay should be looked down on and penalised for not breaking any rules of the game itself. I can't take this post seriously at all. When the game brings more mechanics to controll the flow of the game its fine, but untill then I should be free to do what I want. Sorry if us "40" broke the game for the majority of the playbase? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herminator Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) we tried to talk to you personally i tried response i got was this "You are a bunch of idiots" this was a quote from herminator's own lips.If you want to quote me atleast tell the truth. you came to me claiming the Swedes had attacked you outside Aves while you were sailing 13 traderships from Fort Baai to do business with the Dutch. And because of that you would attack them and start a war. You went to different clans seeking support but everyone turned you down.I then said and I quote myself: "if you want to behave like idiots, I won't spend my time on you". I am not sure wheter I ment you were idiots for sailing 13 traders thru hostile waters without escort, or if it was for you wanting to start a war everyone was against. Maybe both I guess. And I then rest my case with the "Idiot" remark. Edited March 29, 2016 by Herminator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quineloe Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 A Tribunal thread, asking a whole clan to be moved to the pirate faction because someone didn't do as Herminator told them to?This is a new low. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Smith Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) Herminator I Do Not follow your orders I follow the KING's orders when they are deliver with a royal Seal Not from a cut throat privateer that is trying to bend dennmark to his will. (now fetching popcorn) Edited March 29, 2016 by Samuel Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald Speirs Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Without the diplomacy mechanics i fear there is nothing that can be done with is post, though i do fear more once the mechanics do come in that it might just get abused and make a power nation kinda like what is happening now! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayon Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 inb4 they turn into members of SORRY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSloth Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I fear that a diplomacy system will only make things worse, the only diplomacy I have is to not shoot once the colours are struck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuroNyra Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Only response I intend to make, because this is all so embarrassingly stupid. Here ya go, bud: "It's a MMO axed on Global Diplomacy" No, it's a sandbox MMO based on naval combat being played on a pvp server. That is all. Diplomacy is entirely player-driven right now. If your clan wants peace with someone then you're welcome to it, but that's for you and you alone. I realise that some of you people need to find validation by trying to be a big wheel in our little pretend-internet-boat game, but you don't get to tell other people how to play their game. Suck it up. "Those who don't respect it hold no right etc etc etc" Unless you bought their game you don't get to decide that for anyone else, tough luck. Grow up. There you go. Last word is yours, enjoy. Eeyup... The MP I received about you are sadly right apparently. Sandbox doesn't mean without rules. Rules have been instaured, Diplomacy has been created and council have been made. Nations are gigantic being and each player of theses faction are a gear of the said faction. Joining that nation to fight under the concerned flag AND respecting the rules of the hierarchy. I did not bought this game to everyone, but I sur know that in every MMO when a player screw everything up constantly and create problem of major scale. He is not left getting away with it. Even Pirates try to follow at least some rules. Minecraft is the perfect example of Sandbox game, yet even in it they are rules on almost every server that allow a fluid movement without constant interference by one parasite or two. Here, we are even more in a context that should put that kind of rules. We are in a historical context and we are NOT playing just for us when having anything other than a black flag. If you want to play without thinking of the big picture, go ahead. Join the Pirates, even them make things BIG. Because that's how it work in this game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Vicious Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 seams that every nation have their own TF who think can impose other clans what to do 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benass Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Fetching popcorn. This is Entertainment at new level. All are free to play the way they want. Sherminator stop embarrassing yourself. Some ppl take this game way to personal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaan De Vries Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Really. Why this DRUNKs and other rogue clans joined the Nation if they only want to play like THEY want not like NATION wants? If you are really so pissed about fighting against Danes/Swedes (whoever you want) - switch to Pirate and fight then. People in nations are trying very hard to organise RVR politics, to prevent Nations being reduced to one port and new players leaving because of that. And at the same time bunch of pirates (for some stupid reason sailing under nation flag) are just trying to ruin it. And you actually can't do anything about them. There should be mechanics to lock nations ports for such pirate scum and to be able to attack them on sight! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 For those that cannot play with others there is always calladoody..... For the mature, co-operative players there is the majority vote on politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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