Shipyard 4th Rate suggestion ship

[Godream]

Hi all, just wanted to post a ship suggestion here for the next 2016 poll not sure if this is the correct way to do it or if there is already a thread for it. Either way I am basically quoting an earlier post by Ink on the shipyard forums for the ship Delft, a 56-gun fourth rate of the Dutch Navy commissioned on the 16th of May 1783. I think it looks gorgeous and would help fill the void in the 4th rate ship line-up at the moment Let me know what you think?

 

 

 

Даешь Голландию!   Не Семь Провинций, но все равно голландский 
 

более высокое разрешение

The Delft was a Dutch 56-gun fourth rate ship of the line of the navy of the Dutch Republic and the Batavian Republic.
Остальная история под спойлером wiki 

The order to construct the ship was given on 27 May 1782 by the Admiralty of the Meuse. The ship was commissioned on 16 May 1783 by the United Netherlands Navy.

On 24 December 1787 the Delft set sail on a mission against the Barbary pirates and protected Dutch traders in the Mediterranean.

For the ship's second mission starting 31 May 1793 Theodorus Frederik van Capellen became the new commanding officer. During this mission 75 Dutch slaves were freed from Algiers.

In 1795 the Dutch Republic was conquered by the French and the new Batavian Republic was founded. Delft was initially disarmed by the French (because they feared that it could be used by Orangist rebels) but the ship was later reactivated to participate in the war with Britain. Gerrit Verdooren van Asperen became her captain.

On 11 October 1797 the Delft took part in the Battle of Camperdown. Despite heavy resistance the ship was captured by the British and sank off Scheveningen four days later while being towed to Britain.

Since 2001 work had been underway in Rotterdam to build a replica of the Delft at Historical Shipyard Rotterdams Welvaren (Dutch: Historische werf Rotterdams Welvaren) in Delfshaven, near to the place where the original ship was built.

У корабля есть свой музей - http://www.dedelft.nl/museum, который, надеюсь, предоставит всю необходимую инфу, если понадобится..

нашел еще чертежи Delft (1797) в Royal Greenwich Museums, хотя там в описании корабля говорится, что это третий рейт и был таки доставлен в Британию для переделки. Информация в вике - корабль после ожесточенного боя не успели увести в Англию - он затонул. Возможно, два похожих корабля тезки в один и тот же год сражались с Англией, в любом случае, музей должен прояснить это. Упомянутые чертежи - http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81232.html и http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81233.html

А здесь - http://forum.modelsworld.ru/topic8645.html - есть куча фото о постройке реплики корабля, две нижние оттуда 

и еще одна

 

 

Edited March 7, 2016 by Henry d'Esterre Darby
Removed unnecessary poll.

[SteelSandwich]

--English version of his russian post above

 

 

Dutch!!! One day I dream to sail De Zeven Provinciën, but for now I suggest another one
 

high res clickable pic under the spoiler

The Delft was a Dutch 56-gun fourth rate ship of the line of the navy of the Dutch Republic and the Batavian Republic.
Check the rest of wiki info under the spoiler

The order to construct the ship was given on 27 May 1782 by the Admiralty of the Meuse. The ship was commissioned on 16 May 1783 by the United Netherlands Navy.

On 24 December 1787 the Delft set sail on a mission against the Barbary pirates and protected Dutch traders in the Mediterranean.

For the ship's second mission starting 31 May 1793 Theodorus Frederik van Capellen became the new commanding officer. During this mission 75 Dutch slaves were freed from Algiers.

In 1795 the Dutch Republic was conquered by the French and the new Batavian Republic was founded. Delft was initially disarmed by the French (because they feared that it could be used by Orangist rebels) but the ship was later reactivated to participate in the war with Britain. Gerrit Verdooren van Asperen became her captain.

On 11 October 1797 the Delft took part in the Battle of Camperdown. Despite heavy resistance the ship was captured by the British and sank off Scheveningen four days later while being towed to Britain.

Since 2001 work had been underway in Rotterdam to build a replica of the Delft at Historical Shipyard Rotterdams Welvaren (Dutch: Historische werf Rotterdams Welvaren) in Delfshaven, near to the place where the original ship was built.

There is an official museum of the ship - http://www.dedelft.nl/museum , which I hope will provide any info if needed.

Also I've found some plans of ship called Delft (1797) at the Royal Greenwich Museums, althought there is a desription that "'Delft' (1797), a captured Dutch Third Rate, as taken off at Chatham Dockyard in May 1799" in the same time the wiki says Delft was a 4rd rate and "Despite heavy resistance the ship was captured by the British and sank off Scheveningen four days later while being towed to Britain." So there is some strange counter facts...I doubt there were two ships called Delft that fougth in the same year of 1797 and been sunk/captured by Britain...but who knows, maybe it was two different ships? Anyway, plans can be found here - http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81232.html and http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81233.html . But I think the best idea will be to ask official museum

P.S: BIg Thanks to Alex Connor, this is another Dutch ship, 3-rd rate Hercules.
Also here - http://forum.modelsworld.ru/topic8645.html - you can see a lot of pics of bulding the replica, I love the ship!

and another beauty pic

[OlavDeng2]

Personally i prefer this one for a dutch fourth rate in game:

 

 

its unfortunate that i found this one after the pre-selection:

54-gun, Prinses Frederika Louisa Wilhelmina, 1779, SOL

 

 

She would've made a nice addition i reckon. Or, a nice replacement for the Admiraal de Ruyter

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/8340-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016-final-poll/?p=178036

[Hethwill]

It is nice to have an alternative to the super frigates.

[Mirones]

HMS Leopard 50gun Portland Class  or just mini Bellona

[Zeekoning]

HMS Leopard 50gun Portland Class  or just mini Bellona

Why?  We have plenty of British designs in game, but still have zero Dutch ones (Even though the Dutch were the number one naval power at the start of the time-period and were a naval power throughout all of the time-period).  Both the Delft and the Prinses Fredrika would be fitting candidates. 

[Sella]

What about a Portuguese one as well?

 

 

 

Nau Principe da Beira

Portuguese 44(?) or 54(?) guns

1774

 

 

 

 

 

 

Need info on her.

 

About the guns,sources say that she mounted 44 guns but i counted at least 52.

 

Not to be mistaked with the Princesa da Beira: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=7891

 

 

 

Sources: http://triganices.blogspot.gr/2012/01/nau-princepe-da-beira.html

http://marinhadeguerraportuguesa.blogspot.gr/2013_10_01_archive.html

http://museu.marinha.pt/pt/exposicoes/exposicaopermanente/SeculoXVIII/Paginas/default.aspx

http://3decks.pbworks.com/f/Catalogo+dos+navios+brigantinos+%281640-1910%29+-+Esparteiro.pdf

 

[Zeekoning]

What about a Portuguese one as well?

Looks good!  Especially if it's blueprint is available

[Sella]

Looks good!  Especially if it's blueprint is available

 

It is,not online though.The devs have to ask the musuem in Lisbon if they wanna make it

[stache1]

we truly need more ships of the 44 to 64 gun class,these where to light for SoL fights but where often used with frigates ,for scouting and escort missions