Galileus Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I love this topic. Grim DeGrim: USA is on its way to help their allies! USA: How dare you! We would never! Lie! Blasphemy! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Sharpe Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 This talk is all good and dandy but as a British captain may i ask how the US will decide to travel though hostile waters to reach there friendly waters of there Dutch allies. If they go one way they have to go though Pirates, our Northern British Fleets, possibly Danish fleets (unless there friends as well), then Swedish Fleets (if they are hostile) and then finally in to french waters. If they go West and south, they have to go past Multiple British Fleets, The Spanish Fleet and then into there Dutch friends waters in which the French may be also waiting for them. So if this rumor as it seems like a rumor is true, they will have to either do it via stealth or have a long road of fighting to do before they even hit the french area. I also do not see this to be a reasonable idea but that is my option on the matter as a british captain. edited for Spelling I think you vastly overstate the risk of sailing through "enemy waters". The Caribbean is vast, and a fleet of that size would have no trouble relocating to any part of the map, if they sail together, with any degree of competent route planning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Quertier Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I hear the Americans are leaving their Dutch and Danish "lapdogs" to 'chin up'.... I'm joking, that was ungentlemenly but I couldn't resist. Rumours, lies, truth whatever. If the Americans come we shall fight and be merry, if they don't come, we shall fight and still be merry. I personally have some scores to settle with a couple of american captains... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I love this topic. Grim DeGrim: USA is on its way to help their allies! USA: How dare you! We would never! Lie! Blasphemy! Actually, I think you have it wrong. Grim: The US is threatening France US: no we didn't, but we reserve the right to protect our allies. Grim: Nakor told me Johny threatened him Prater: Grim, were you present at the conversation where the threat happened? Grim: No. Prater: Nakor has a history of exaggerating threat when no threat is present. Just like he said we were holding a gun to his head when we weren't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Bubbles Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Atm, show us a dutch unified nation and you will be able to make diplomacy with CSNF. Waiting for that we are waiting the US players if they want to travel the all map to make OS pvp. It will lead to others nation ot involve in war and decreasethe player base as some will be wiped. (...) Now maybe would it be time to speak Dont worry about the unity of the United Provinces, we are doing fine. We will let our guns do the talking, no need for any negotations with any French captain or clan. Our Alliance with the Danes wouldnt allow us to have peace with your nation, so you could go full focus on them. We'll entertain ourselves with sinking French ships in our borders, see ya soon! Grtzzz Bubbles 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Quertier Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I think that this shows that any diplomatic talks where some wishes to send a message should be organised better to stop any misunderstanding or even exaggeration or whatever talking place. For example. Nations shouldn't play at diplomacy using individuals to have talks for pacts, strategy or important messages but rather a team of diplomats, one chief diplomat, a deputy and say two (or more) aides. It will allow for a broader meeting and proper understanding by all sides present at diplomatic meetings. There are probably many who disagree but I feel this way to be a more trustworthy approach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileus Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 The US is not threatening France, but we reserve the right to attack you. So... wait... What? Is this that American "we're not attacking, we're preemptively defending" thing? Well, then we're not lying, but we reserve the right to not tell the truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Now you are twisting words, as your changed quote of me shows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileus Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 As per the rights reserved in the same post of mine! I am a quick learner, teach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim DeGrim Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Prater wasn't there either I have the best comic for this when I get home tonight!!! Edit: glad to see you're at least admitting there was a meeting, between SLMFr and DAS, and that!?! TF!?! Was there in attendance. The truth is unfolding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim DeGrim Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 I couldn't wait. This is but one of many. There really is no need to explain it. We know the meeting happened. I know what was said. All a person has to ask is: Why would TF attend a Franco-Dutch ceasefire discussion? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim DeGrim Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 What was Tattered Flags doing there... I wonder? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 The difference between Johny and Nakor is that Johny has a very good reputation. US forces going to SA was not mentioned by TF at all during that meeting. Nor was there any threats of cease fire or else we attack you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim DeGrim Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 What was Tattered Flags doing there? Answer le question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Well, it is interesting that SLMFr feels intimidated just because someone shows up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim DeGrim Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Dodgy. Answer accepted. The truth is transparent. In the end, gunboat diplomacy is all that matters. This is a game of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim DeGrim Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 By the way, I've 2 or 3 more comics for this topic. They'll have to wait. If you like, I can submit one for your Gazette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim DeGrim Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Nakor is well respected. Though I know you've been itching to say otherwise. Seems like someone has a beef. Care to explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 That was already explained, namely, fabricating things, when Johny has done no such thing in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteAmount Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) Prater, there is nothing to this thread except for Grim's fictions. He talks about a fantasy that only exists in mind as if it were a reality. TF has not been in a meeting with the Danes, Dutch or French because most of the TF leadership hasn't even been online for the past week. And when they were, they were leading Spanish port battles. Grim is just bored because he's a north American player that's stuck fighting in a European timezone war, so he's lashing out on the forums because at least he gets some attention here. Edited February 16, 2016 by InfiniteAmount 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim DeGrim Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Don't make a fibb'er of of Prater... I will not post our PM's (private messages) here. But rest assured, you make him one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Well, here is the thing. SLMFr is probably going to need new diplomats. Because I doubt any US players will trust any of the current ones now. I can now see I was wrong to place earlier trust and to publicly say I had this trust on these forums. I now withdraw my previous statements on trust. And now, within TDA at least, there are 0 L1 leadership that trust SLMFr, where before it was 1 to 2, which is better numbers than 0 to 3 and when Northern returns, I am sure it will be 0 to 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprof739 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) Assuming a leader of TF was there for a diplomatic meeting between the French and the Dutch, As the USA and Dutch are allies, the implication of any diplomatic accord would also affect the USA. Historically before WWI broke out France and Russia were allies, so if Russia's diplomatic stance towards Austria-Hungary changed, that too would change the relationship between France and Austria-Hungary and by extension Germany... The same sort of thing can apply. If France make peace with the allies of the USA, then either the allies of the USA must make a NAP with France, if France continues with hostilities with the USA, or France must end hostilities with the USA. There doesn't need to be some sinister reason for the USA being there. Edited February 16, 2016 by theprof739 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteAmount Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Well, here is the thing. SLMFr is probably going to need new diplomats. Because I doubt any US players will trust any of the current ones now. I can now see I was wrong to place earlier trust and to publicly say I had this trust on these forums. I now withdraw my previous statements on trust. And now, within TDA at least, there are 0 L1 leadership that trust SLMFr, where before it was 1 to 2, which is better numbers than 0 to 3 and when Northern returns, I am sure it will be 0 to 4. Grim and Nakor are no more diplomats than I am, Prater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim DeGrim Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Let's not confuss things. I'm not a diplomat. I only report. Go back to original post. Nothing is changed. All remains the same. In the end, we're a 10 man Fleet on good day. Not sure why is so easy to get you guys flustered. Go defend your ally. Sorry for making it public. Typos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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