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I have recently been playing a lot of shallow ships and found Cerberus and Renommee's performances really wanting among the major shallow vessels. Now this could of course simply be credited to my limited skill of using the ships properly but I rarely ever see other players using those ships ( usually a clear indicator of them underperforming in relation to other available vessels but in this case no doubt swayed by the free DLC ship availability ). Even leaving DLC ships aside, why would I sail Cerberus or Renomme over Surprise? Less alpha damage and DPS, only 2 chasers compared to 6 on Herc and Surprise and significantly less turnrate than Herc. All that for minor hp and armor advantage that are mainly useful, if you stay at range downwind, because Herc, Surp and especially LRQ control upwind completely and can easily escape at any point in time. I think the Renommee, renown ( pun intended ) for being the fastest ship of her time, could use a minor speed and maybe hp buff combined with a turnrate nerf. This could turn the Renomme into a great support ship and valid choice for port battles. As for the Cerberus I have no idea. What do you think? Has anyone found a use for those ships yet? Some good read on Renomme: http://larenommeeship.com/