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I would like to raise a thread regarding the economy, including all its sub-branches(crafting, hauling etc..) and the effects of every aspect translated into open world game play, particularly, but not limited to the Realm vs Realm aspect of the game. I will be taking experiences from previous games in which I have played quite a bit, and which have influenced this post; Pirates of the Burning Sea and Eve Online. Economy vs Open World/RvR/PvP Balance The developers at Game Labs, as we know, have been working on the crafting system, they plan to merge it along with the current market system and upgrade it into a fully operational economy. So far so good, but I would like to stress areas which have lacked in previous game economies, rendering game-play less fun. The system Pirates of the Burning Sea had (Initially, before they completely messed it up) was a very good balance in terms of realism and game-play necessity, what I mean is that the economy allowed for relatively easy production of frigates and 4th rates, but got exponentially harder as you tried to produce 3rd, 2nd, and 1st rates. If pirates had gone for a more realistic approach, (understand I am not a history expert) we would have probably all been sailing in even smaller ships then frigates for PvP as it would've been too expensive to take a frigate to PvP constantly. Very few people would have 1-4th rates and frigates, especially of the caliber players liked to run around with constantly-- in PvP. So I go back to the topic of balancing, between realism and the necessity of keeping the game-play fun and refreshing, because nobody would like to sail in small schooners for a long time and nobody would like constant open sea fighting in 1st rates. This is why, in my opinion, Pirates of the Burning Sea excelled at having such a great pvp atmosphere. Open sea combat, throughout almost the entirety of the game, revolved around frigates, easily disposable if you were a great captain, and not that big of a loss if you were a newbie. Which finally brings me to my 1st suggestion; 4th, 3rd, 2nd, and 1st rates should be exponentially harder to make, requiring your organization/society (whatever you like to call it) to work together to produce it. Where building a 4th rate wouldn't be that much of a hassle, transition to a 1st rate, and you've got some work to do. Sticking to this idea, when designing the economy, will keep more frigates in the open sea and increase the value a 1st, 2nd and 3rd rate have in major operations, ex: Port Battles, nations will be more reluctant or more daring when choosing to summon their beastly weapons of war. Capturing Ships- NPCs My next suggestion, and keep in mind, I have not heard anything regarding this, so it could be outdated already, and yes, I am ready to dodge fire balls just in case. Players shouldn't be able to capture NPC ships, the contrary worked fine in Pirates of the Burning Sea, but only because NPCs sailed weak frigates in comparison to what players actually used for PvP, and even then, you could not capture any 4th, 3rd, 2nd or 1st rates from NPC fleets. Yes, I know players in Naval Action would eventually be able to craft better versions of ships which NPCs used but it still would not out-weigh the fact that the open sea and port battles would suffer a massive inflation of rate ships, which I strongly believe would turn the game dull and less immersive, not giving it the dramatic feel of loss. Games such as Star Wars: The Old Republic advertised open world pvp, and it ended in massive disappointment simply due to the fact that when you died you lost nothing, you could just respawn and go back in. This mechanic strongly resembles any mainstream arcade FPS shooter out there, NOT an open world MMO. There needs to be a risk, and there needs to be hard work to acquire those ships, not essentially a grind, but still. I say this, and I do understand there would be a money loss in regards to the ship upgrades when you died in a captured ship. If we allow the capturing of ships, the devs would need to balance the cost vs loss ratio in order to make both options equally monetarily viable, taking into account the durability of bought ships. It would be a massive headache and only cause drama among the players, plus, it would make ship prices go either down, due to ship builders trying to make whatever minimal profit they can or way up in order to make a decent sized profit from the minimal sell orders. The prices could also fluctuate heavily if the developers failed to balance the cost vs loss between both methods of acquiring ships. Either way, it would discourage people from manufacturing ships. So I strongly recommend the end of capturing NPC ships, for the sake of keeping the game strictly supply and demand, based off of an economy ran by econ players and defended by PvP players. It worked well in Pirates of the Burning Sea and EXCEPTIONALLY well in EvE online, there is absolutely no doubt about it. I see no issue with capturing enemy PLAYER ships though, but I would suggest putting a very minor cap on that like PotBS had, where you could capture one ship every couple of hours. The Cycle of the Economy In an open world game like Naval Action, it is essential you follow certain rules, rules that keep the cycle of the game running. Haulers/traders and manufacturers produce ships, consumables, upgrades --> PvPers (the main consumers, who die all the time) buy the ships and equipment ---> ? D: How will players who love to PvP make a living? Once again, PotBS had an answer, not a historically realistic one, but one that kept the cycle going, and that was Marks of Victory/Trade/War. These marks were rewarded to players after killing an enemy player, the player could then sell those marks for quite a bit of money. If you haven't played Pirates of the Burning Sea, you may ask, "But who would want to buy those marks, what was their purpose?" well, in Pirates, the Marks allowed you to obtain special ships or equipment at your factions admiralty, players who didn't PvP or were simply bad at it, bought those all the time, there was a big market for them. But I am not suggesting the same should be true with Naval Action. What I am suggesting is we have a similar mechanic in place, possibly more realistic, or immersive than the one PotBS had. I am not a particularly creative person, so I invite you, if you agree with this idea, to suggest a possibility, but just for the sake of an example; players could get a document/certificate for sinking a ship which could be turned in at the admiralty for different prizes. This document/certificate could be turned in for a prize which could benefit various other play-styles; explorers, haulers, PvErs, and especially the econ people, which could turn those certificates into something that would allow them to craft better ships/equipment (Mastercraft and such) by bringing in materials from the mother country. Why would I bother suggesting this? Certainly, a PvPer could go do some econ, or grind NPC fleets to make money. Well, the one simple answer is that, each and every one of us has a play-style and I personally would hate to grind for money so that I could PvP, I'd rather do what I love and get paid for it. This has been my suggestions post, I would like to invite people to add to these if they got any ideas from it and I am completely accepting of constructive criticism. Also, sorry if some of the paragraphs turned out to be walls of text, I tried separating them as best I could. -Morgan Lacerda
I decided to open this thread to try to collect all our thoughts of the incoming economy model. I´ll begin. -Ressources/mining: If we set a shiyard we can only craft 4 types of ressources. Maybe a bit short for a small playerbase. Crafting is going to be slower due to the search of the ressources. Slower crafting, less pvp. -Consumables: crafting rig or hull repairs are ok. Medkits is almost imposible due to the lack of rum, sugar, tobacco. -Crew hiring: 500 gold per crew member is impossible to sustain. We need to be able to craft the medkits. -Expansion slots: Before we have at maximun 8 outpost with 5 slots each. The cost of the last outpost wasnt more than 2 millions if Im not mistaken. Now from 40 (8*5) slots for ships we are going to have half of it, only 20-25 (not sure exact number). Each expansion is quite far expensive than before and it only gives us 3 more slots. It is absurd all this cause we now have only one durability ships. -Rewards: battles are going to be used for the farm of marks. The money you earn is not enought for other activities. In the best scenario that gold is enough to repair your ship and hire new crew in ports. -Trading goods: This is going to be one of the main sources of income for players. However, despite its importance, the trading goods are lacking (not enough quatities) even in a server with a maximun pop of 75 people online. -NPC traders: While there are a lot more, the value of their cargo makes them absolutely useless. Given the fact that you earn nothing selling the ship neither its cargo and marks the current npc traders are just sea decorators. - The removal of the delivery system. Probably one of the worst ideas ever. Let me explain. Just imagine you are Dutch/France/Sweden/Denmark and you succesfully conquer a distant region with a key ressource or regional bonus, lets say our dearest live oak. Without the delivery system you need to move that ressource through the entire caribbean to the crafting point which is usually going to be around your homewaters. Absolutely painful. Now, your POV.