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May be finally give a name to the ship "3rd rate". She is of the Arrogant class or Courageux class but several ships have distinguished themselves like the Vanguard (Nelson), Bellerophon, etc. 🙂

@admin There is a problem in game currently. That's the fact that the most used ship in game is the Redoubtable(i). This ship is listed as a 3rd rate but outperforms the 2nd rate St. Pavel. Now this being said, I know you guys decided to put the BR up to Bucentaur levels to help keep it out of PBs. This is all well and good. The only problem with this is that now the Wasa, 3rd rate and Bellona now don't have a job at all. Is there way to balance these affected ships so that they are actually played? I mean I honestly don't remember the last time I've seen a 3rd rate outside a group kill mission. Even then it was as AI. I feel that these ships are woefully under used and might need a small buff to help them find their niche. Even a reply of why not would probably help out as well.

Source Was looking through the thread (novo navios) that was posted earlier today, and came across this Téméraire class vessel. While she was a member of the overall class design, she was notably one of two ships (designated the Suffren class) that was built to a shorter design (65cm shorter by length) to meet the demands of then Minister of the Navy Pierre-Alexandre-Laurent Forfait. Once he left office, there were no further ships built to this design. Comparison of the Algésiras to the Téméraire: Algésiras: Displacement: 2,900 tonnes Length: 55.87 m (183 ft 4 in) (172 French feet) Beam: 14.90 m (48 ft 11 in) (44' 6") Draught: 7.26 m (23 ft 10 in) (22 French feet) Propulsion: Up to 2485 m² of sails Complement: 3 officers + 690 men Armament: 74 guns: 28 × 36-pounder (16 kg) 30 × 24-pounder (11 kg) 16 × 8-pounder (3.6 kg) 4 × 36-pounder (16 kg) carronades Téméraire: Displacement: 1966 tonnes 3260 tonnes fully loaded Length: 55.87 metres (183.3 ft) (172 pied) Beam: 14.90 metres (48 ft 11 in) Draught: 7.26 metres (23.8 ft) (22 pied) Propulsion: Up to 2,485 m2 (26,750 sq ft) of sails Armament: 74 guns: Lower gundeck: 28 × 36-pounder long guns Upper gundeck: 30 × 18-pounder long guns Forecastle and Quarter deck: 16 × 8-pounder long guns 4 × 36-pounder carronades Comparison of the Algésiras to a Téméraire class ship of comparative launch date: Algésiras: Displacement: 2,900 tonnes Length: 55.87 m (183 ft 4 in) (172 French feet) Beam: 14.90 m (48 ft 11 in) (44' 6") Draught: 7.26 m (23 ft 10 in) (22 French feet) Propulsion: Up to 2485 m² of sails Complement: 3 officers + 690 men Armament: 74 guns: 28 × 36-pounder (16 kg) 30 × 24-pounder (11 kg) 16 × 8-pounder (3.6 kg) 4 × 36-pounder (16 kg) carronades Lion: Displacement: 2,966 tonnes 5,260 tonnes fully loaded Length: 55.87 metres (183.3 ft) (172 pied) Beam: 14.90 metres (48 ft 11 in) Draught: 7.26 metres (23.8 ft) (22 pied) Propulsion: Up to 2,485 m2 (26,750 sq ft) of sails Armament: 74 guns: Lower gundeck: 28 × 36-pounder long guns Upper gundeck: 30 × 18-pounder long guns Forecastle and Quarter deck: 16 × 8-pounder long guns 4 × 36-pounder carronades Algésiras saw a fairly eventful career, being present at Trafalgar with the French fleet a year after construction, where she was in the heart of the fighting, engaging the HMS Tonnant with the Pluton and the San Juan Nepomuceno. She surrendered to the Tonnant but during the storm after the battle, her crew rose up against the British prize crew and sailed her to Cadiz, where she would be captured along with the rest of the Rosily Squadron by the Spanish in 1808.

Source: 3decks: Trekh Sviatitelei (translated as "Three Saints") was a Russian 74 gun two decker built in 1810 at the shipyard in St Petersburg. She had a relatively uneventful career and her only claim to fame, or rather infamy, was when she was sold to the Spanish, who, in desperate need for line ships after the events of the Napoleonic War, reached out to Russia for ships. She, along with her sister ship Neptunus, and three ships of the Selafail class of 74's were sold to Spain in what became known as the "Treaty of Madrid in 1817". According to the article, the Russian ships of the line were in such appalling condition that they had to be dismantled within 5 years of being acquired, though the guns were in good shape and used elsewhere in the Spanish Navy. More on this particular incident can be found within the source article. Refer to 3decks link for dimensions and armament.

Hi, My clan members were talking on team speak and we stumbled across the conversation of the black pearl and the Queen Anne's Revenge, anyway we discovered that the black pearl was originally a indiaman that had more gun ports, we though about in and the topic of razeeing ships came up, now what I am thinking is that you can have a third rate and you decide that it is not the ship for you, so you get a lvl 40 crafter to razee it for you, it would have to take massive amounts of labour hours and gold but it would decrease the amount of crew needed and keep the overall structure and strength of the ship, but with the disadvantage of less guns and the sailing characteristics of a 3rd rate. Thanks