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  1. plus tout à fait la norme en 180x depuis les idées humanistes des LumiÚres du XVIIIe siÚcle et l'abolition révolutionnaire de 1794, disons un triste commerce autorisé/légalisé à nouveau par Napoléon pour aider les milieux financiers et une mauvaise idée qui devait déranger plus de monde qu'au XVIIe s. Mais tu as raison : il faut savoir remettre ça dans son contexte historique et pouvoir lire ses témoignages de l'époque :
  2. de savoir lire. Pour l'instant, je trouve que les images sur les couvertures sont vraiment chouettes. Ah... ça, c'est pas une référence. Y ferait bien de cacher ça dans son CV, quitte à avoir un trou d'un an ou deux, genre années sabbatiques.
  3. Certains de ses posts sur le forum NA sont pas mal. Mais, je ne savais pas qu'il Ă©crivait des livres. 😀 (la rĂ©ponse est non)
  4. @Wagram There might have been quite an huge disparity in the use of the French arming cloth and resistance during the period of the Revolution, with fleur de lys sometimes still in use (?) : source : here.
  5. Interesting. A definition written during the return of the monarchy. Also interesting the words 'sometimes with emblems" and 'same colour'. Do someone know whether or not the French arming cloth might have (sometimes) been dotted with a particular emblem during the Napoleonic period, such as say an eagle or the capital letter N ? What about the revolutionary period between say 1790-1799 ?
  6. @Wagram Interestingly, your source gives a precise definition of the French arming cloth with fleur-de-lys (from a law of 1670) : blue, dotted with yellow fleurs de lys and framed with white strips. Some strips also look yellow on some of your (more recent) paintings.
  7. @Wagram Thx very much for this convincing and meticulous explanation (as always). 🙂 (edit) Arming cloth that could be with or without fleur de lys, depending on the political regime (monarchy, revolution-empire, restoration), I guess ? What is the French word(s) for "arming cloth' ?
  8. Drawing made in 1673 of a French ship with the same decoration of Fleur-de-lys on upper-works as on the 18th century light frigate above : source : here
  9. So, about the blue painting on the upper parts of the topsides of L'Hermione I framed in red : Is it a kind of modern mistake, a painted representation of what was in fact at that time a French arming cloth ? or was this very paint really used there at that time, maybe to look like/replace/fake an arming cloth ?
  10. ^ je n'ai lu que le Moreau. Excellent, trĂšs bien documentĂ©, hein ? Tu peux trouver des trucs dans la biblio de Moreau quand mĂȘme. Si lire l'anglais ne t'embĂȘte pas, je crois que Hethwill avait fait une page de biblio sur le sujet sur le forum internat. Sinon, tu peux lui demander directement. Je pense qu'il aime bien les caraĂŻbes du 17e s.
  11. Thx for clarifying. No. Nobody ever said or wrote that Prince ever carried 18 or 20 9-pdr guns. There is only a poster on a blog who said he knows a letter written by the captain who captured her that says that out of 6 of her guns, some were 9 long guns while most of her guns (12 out of 18) were 12-pdr carro which is what she ordinarily carried (according to Gardiner). This is very common for a Privateer to fill in a few empty ports with whatever he has on his ship that he's just captured or bought, when he doesn't have enough available 'normal' guns. I could give you other examples of wrecked privateer showing a diversity of guns on board. Certainly often by lack of a better alternative. It does not mean the Prince was made to carry 20 9-pdr guns. No historical precedent. All I meant was that giving Prince 20 9-pdr implies also giving her 20 9-32-pdr (while the 18-pdr Pirate frigate you fought can carry 28 18-pdr +12 12-pdr (gun) or 26 32-pdr + 12 24-pdr (carro)) You ask for a mega non-historical buff. Admin said the ship will be buffed in some way for reasons of gameplay. Let's see. No big deal, just a matter of gameplay and balance in a game, not history 🙂
  12. Do you really mean by "painted canvas" that it was painted on a long canvas by a painter then fixed all around the ship ? Or was it an embroidered cloth ? By 'arming cloth" , you mean a cloth (?) depicting the Arms of a nation (fleur de lys for France on blue, red and white stripes for UK), right ? When was the ship 'dressed with this 'cloth' ? Only on occasions, right ? One can see on this very painting that this ship carries : une flamme de guerre : le grand pavillon de poupe : As a consequence, under this cloth, the topsides were certainly black (or say grey if one wants them a bit more faded), right ?
  13. For La Renommée Paint scheme of a French Corvette/light frigate of the 18th century Painting of the quays at Bordeaux (France). (Thus the 'Bordeaux paint scheme' ?) = a kind of faded, washed-out version of the Vanilla paint scheme of in-game La Renommée, but with : a French arming cloth (pavois) : blue canvas studded with yellow fleurs de lys and framed with stripes that look yellow but might be white (according to a law of 1670) a brighter red-ochre colour on the desks red-ochre on the masts window frames in yellow/gold :
  14. This is the 'Week of the English Terminology' : what is a Sol ? What is a 4th rate ? What is a 'True' frigate ? What is a deck ? What is a Rate ? Waiting for : is a sloop-of-war a sloop or a war-of-sloop or a sloop-sloop or a half-sloop ? 😁
  15. From a historical point of view, indeed. And compared to the other 6-pders of the game, saying she's doing well would be an understatement. However, Admin explained why she would have some kind of buff (as other ships) on the previous page of this thread. OP's main problem was that Prince had some trouble in duel against... a 18-pdr frigate carrying 32-pdr carro. So, he wouldn't be against 32-pdr carro or 9-pdr guns on his beloved Prince. I can understand : when love (and a nice sailing profile) speaks...🙂
  16. For Le Requin Paint scheme of the Corsican Xebec 'La Galeotta' Xebec of the Corsican navy sailed by Captain Peri, offered by the Order of Malta in 1754 (during the Revolution for independence from Genoa).Then Corsica was handed over to France in 1768. source
  17. Il y a effectivement pas mal de bonnes sources. Des coups de bñton ? Non. 🙂
  18. ^ ils ont de bons articles comme celui-lĂ  sur les pavillons français. AprĂšs, faut voir ce qu'en dit le Grand Sachem de la communautĂ© FR (si tu vois de qui je parle 🙂). (ça peut commencer par 'Attention Ă  ce que tu trouves sur le Net...")
  19. It sometimes seems that what annoys the most those who don’t like ship DLCs is the simple fact that players can have access to ship(s) (and to the game) without having to spend time in game (or is it ‘waste’ for them ?) to get some by crafting or buying in-game ones. So they look for all the means to ‘nerf’ these DLCs / limit buyers’ rights : the cooldown must be longer, their woods must be only common, their rate must be the lowest possible, you shouldn’t be able to buy ships but only permits, DLC ships shouldn’t have access to PB, etc. Your idea is a variant : what some buy should be free for others. Strange marketing principle btw : it doesn’t make someone really want to buy. Moreover, I guess the crafted L’Hermione (or whatever) should also be better than the DLC version. As long as ship DLCs are not OP (they are not), I think players should be able to buy original designs/ships that players who don’t buy won’t get. That’s the purely ‘cosmetic’ part of the purchase. As for the cooldown, it is a matter of balance, knowing that a player with one account who don’t have much time to play NA should always be able to play (ie have at least one available (nice) DLC ship to fight). You must attract ppl and not tell them « come and buy this DLC fir/fir basic cutter for 100 euros you’ll be able to redeem every 6 months ». More ship DLCs, more players, more fights. 🙂
  20. Imagine, on top of that, that this ship will be particularly buffed... 🙂
  21. No rates for the French (well... almost). While Louis XIV set up classifications in the 17th century with 5 rates for ships (about 100, 80, 60, 44, 36 guns), it was less and less significant during the 18th century and was totally abandoned in 1790 (with the Revolution) as the standardization of the total number of guns, of the number of guns per deck and of the caliber per deck were sought : The equivalent of the '3rd rate' built in 1730 had 64-gun, thus they were called '64-gun ships', not 'something-Rates'. The equivalent of the '2nd-Rate' built in 1770 had 74-guns, thus they were only called '74-gun' ships. Sometimes, ships carrying 50-56 guns were called 4th-rates. In 1790, no more Rate classification, but only a gun classification for Sols with 3 types : 118 gun-ships, 80-gun ships and 74-gun ships. As for frigates, there was a classification by caliber, not by rates : 'une frégate de 12" is a 12-pdr frigate, etc : Given the tendency to standardization, the term '8-pdr frigate' gives an idea of the caliber, of the number of guns (total and per deck) and a period of building. For example, any 8-pdr frigate (like La Renommée) must have been built between 1740-1774 and most likely had 30 guns in total, 26 x 8-pdr on the GD and 4 x 4-pdr on the Fc/Qd (however, a few ones shows slight variations such as 24 guns on the GD...). Likewise, 90% of the 12-pdr French frigates have 26 guns x 12-pdr on the GD (a few had 28 or 30 guns on the GD) and they all were built between 1748-1798. And L'Egyptienne (1799, 50 guns) was called a "24-pdr frigate". To sum up, because of the search of standardization during the 18th-century, rates wasn't much in use in France and the best classifications for French ships are the number of guns for the Sols and the caliber for the frigates. Rates (ie groups) are made to classify a great diversity of ships. "No Rate, no cry." A song for NA.
  22. The Pandora is a light 9-pdr frigate like the Cerberus, Surprise, Renommée that are shallow water ships. So I guess yes. L'Hermione is a 12-pdr frigate that was not a shallow water ship when in game. So I guess no.
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