Grim DeGrim

I'm sure someone knows more than me...but some kind of visable marking. Imagine the FEAR players will feel when they see the infamous "B;ah B;ah" flag is in their fight.... especially if it is a 1v1

I had to chuckle at that...just when you're thinking "Man, we might get out of this alive...." 10 feet of water in the ship though, I simply could not imagine.

The attached below is an excerpt describing a portion of the 7 year war off the coast of Cape Breton. The English fleet, under command of Admiral Francis Holborn, is caught just off the fortress of Louisburg in a Hurricane: I shall not go into the tedious business here of listing all of the damages to the fleet. However, there is the damages to the Eagle which I believe might have been typical and which were described in a report despatched by her captain, Hugh Palliser.5 It is, in itself, a fine description of what happens at sea when a ship is caught in a storm off a lee shore, and which, I am sure, represents the experiences of all of those who were aboard the English ships that were caught out on that terrible night in September off the coast of Cape Breton. Here is what Captain Palliser had to write: "Sunday, September 25th, 1757: 2 am: Laying under the Reef'd Foresail and Reef'd and balanced Mizen, the wind blowing very hard at ESE the ship made a great deal of Water, at 5 finding the Water of gain upon us, endeavoured to bear up, but She became water logg'd and laid on her Beam ends, which obliged us to cutt away the Main mast and Mizon mast and to throw overboard Ten of the Lee upper Deck Guns and Five 6 Pounders, by which She righted a little, and this I believe saved her from sinking having then Ten feet Water in her; kept Pumping and Baling and kept her away a little, but durst not put before it knowing we were very near a Lee Shore, at having reduced the Water to about 7 feet, One of the Pump-Chains broke, and the Tiller broke in the Rudder head, got the Iron Tiller Shipped, at 10 cutt the Fore Topmast away in order to save the Foremast, the Foresail blew all to pieces, at about 11 the Wind shifted to WSW, and half an hour after it cleared up a little, saw the Breakers under our Lee distant about 2 Miles, fortunately the Foremast being standing we got her wore, and her head off shore, with a Shedding Sail hoisted to the Foremast head, we kept her SSE all Night, the Wind being then at West. Continued pumping and baling and by Monday at 8PM got her free, but she continued to have a great List to Starboard occasioned by things in the Hold and between Decks, being wash'd over to that side, found the Foremast very much sprung in Two places the Magazine having been quite full of Water, found all the Parrapets, Lockers, etc. brokedown, and every cask was Stove and all the Powder wash'd away, so that we had none left but a few Cartridges in the after Magazine; found all the dry Provisions stowed the Starboard side wet and spoiled, also a good deal of Bread, several of the Orlop Beams and Carlins worked down, the Ship strained very much Fore and Aft, ... ... I have considered the State of the Ship which is unfit for any service, therefore presuming her joining you in this shattered condition can be of no consequence to the service and in this Condition I think her by no means fit to Venture upon a dangerous and strange Coast to look for a Port where if I should arrive Safe and by Chance find you, no such repairs & Supply's can be had as the ship wants; I conclude endeavouring to get to either place will be Attended with more danger than proceeding directly for England as the bad Season is set in." From:http://www.blupete.com/Hist/NovaScotiaBk1/Part7/Ch05.htm

Fair enough, the concern is that new players to the game will not have the historical context to know better without the use of the formal name.

Whaaaaaaaaaat? Make it so, number one.

Most, if that all, the research I've done over the past 3 weeks had been in reference to the Dane-Norwegian... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dano-Norwegian_%28disambiguation%29 The adjective and derived noun Dano-Norwegian means "Danish and Norwegian". It can have two related meanings: It can refer to the former (1536-1814) union between Denmark and Norway or its people; or by extension to anything relating to both of its two titular composite countries, Denmark and Norway (see Dano-Norwegian) It can refer to the Dano-Norwegian language, formerly a Norwegian variant of the Danish language and predecessor of the Bokmål written standard of the modern Norwegian language. (Cf. Gøtudanskt)

Silly question, is it Dutch or German? (my apologies if I offend either! The spelling to the untrained eye looks like it could be either)

I came across this in my read of the capture of Louisbourg in 1745. What happened was that Warren (captain in charge of a fleet of 11) captured Louisburg but then pretend to be French. Of course shops would sail in not knowing yet of the capture. Warren & crew became very rich... Link for their story below. In the interim, thus is how, Prize Money: Prize Money: In times of war the British navy, its officers and men, had an extra inducement to take enemy ships and their cargo. Captured ships and their cargo would be brought to a port which had a Court of Admiralty where the matter would be judged and decreed that the ship and cargo were a prize of war and to be sold with the proceeds to be Droits of the Crown, or of the Admiralty; as such, it was to be all given over to those responsible for the capture. The money was "divided into eighths, of which three went to the captain, one to the commander-in-chief, one to the officers, one to the warrant officers, and two to the crew." This system of prize money was long in place and certainly covered the period with which we are concerned about, indeed it was in place for the British during the Second World War. (Oxford Companion to Ships & the Sea.) Their story: http://www.blupete.com/Hist/NovaScotiaBk1/Part4/Ch14.htm

Ageed. When she went down, it was 84 guns. Through out its history, it had different configurations, with a nominal gun carriage (proper word?) of 94. The following source has it as a 1st rate, though it doesn't measure up versus later models: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=656 This could be entry 2nd Rate, it has less guns, but different characteristics that make it unqiue (worse sailing with more armor, better best point for sailing, the sky is the limit...not all ships will measure up in the same way). I lament! But am hopeful for future ship releases.

Bah! Wrong dev post. And I don't believe that you're Crestsilver.

You were one of the Nobles! Gad, they came to France... musketeers I believe? Can't remember... But I so remember they all had their names that way. Porthos was one, but there was another who lead all the PB's...

As a stout supporter of the Dannebroge (Danish 2nd Rate with a great back story of sacrifice), I'll throw it out there that those who supported this submission to ensure you voted for the Christian VII. I don't want my submission to split votes. They're both beautiful ships, and at least 1 of them should progress.

Excellent idea though. Keep them coming. Your idea might create another idea, and so on. Don't be discouraged from providing feedback.

Play the Stormie map! It is affected. And maybe it is just me, but I am terra bad at aiming even with ranging shot, unless point blank... I many times miss even after ranging in (deck #2 will fall short, or I won't lead shot enough).

Interesting article on Surcouf, Privateer. https://ageofsail.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/robert-surcouf/#more-969 Features a number of ship we are considering, and/or ships from potbs: Rattlesnake Centurion Triton Revenant Renard

I see here that you do touch on this:

I lived just down the highway from there Ironically, the Vigilant was carrying 1000 barrels of gun powder, and the loss of the ship essentially doomed Louisburg to fall.

Beautiful.

During this time period England and France were fighting on the east coast of Canada. The below link recounts a portion of the siege and the capture of the French man-of-war ship The Vigilant (64 guns). http://www.blupete.com/Hist/NovaScotiaBk1/Part4/Ch10.htm#Vigilant

There have been many topics on this, but I cannot help but share as my enthusiasm on the topic. I qoute: "...a French officer meeting with the English commandant of the opposing fort? However, it is to be kept in mind, that, in those years, the officer corps were very cordial to one another, no matter that they may be in opposite camps. It was an age, it must be remembered, of courtly elegance and politeness of manners. If in close proximity, which certainly they were at the isthmus, both the French and English officers would regularly invite one another to sup together; and, it was not at all unusual that English and French officers would exchange courtesies and gifts." http://www.blupete.com/Hist/BiosNS/1700-63/Pichon.htm Now, the story was a recount of Thomas Pichon (1700-1781) who actually turned out to be a spy and received a pension from England in his final years, but that paragraph from above blew my mind! How civil officers they were to each other. Pretty cool...

Allo Surcouf

A-Z complete, lay one from Nouvelle-Écosse (Nova Scotia): Vauquelin, Jean (1728-1772): Vauquelin was a French naval captain who was present during the siege of Louisbourg, 1758.

Lol, honestly folks, have a read. A one legged French captain, and let's just say his experience at Louisburg was not good : Prévost (Le), Duquesnel, Jean-Baptiste-Louis(1685-1744) http://www.blupete.com/Hist/BiosNS/1700-63/Prevost.htm

French Canadian (Acadian actually, but would have been France, live in Nova Scotia). Admiral de la Motte has a very interesting naval career... Baptiste (1663-1714+): Baptiste, the nickname of Pierre Maisonnat, was: during war, a captain of a French fighting frigate; during peace, a privateer. Morpain, Pierre (1686-1749): Another French privateer. Motte, de La, Emmanuel-Auguste de Cahideuc, Comte Dubois ... (1683-1764): (Admiral de la Motte) During the period under review, which covers The Seven Years War (1756-1763), de La Motte was one of the most illustrious naval men afloat, notwithstanding his advanced years. In 1757, he was to come to Louisbourg and command a large French fleet; it had the intended effect, for it discouraged the English from carrying through with their plans, at least for that year. Just a few sourced from: http://www.blupete.com/Hist/BiosNS/1700-63/List.htm

I think France will have good representation relative to some of the others. Britain, US, and I believe Russian will be power houses in terms of player base. Denmark, Sweden, Spain, maybe even Dutch... Not so sure. The game will need a very large player base to adequately support so many nations. I'm speculating! I liked RamJB's post on SOL ownership and use of them as incentive for joining nations.