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I assume you mean bow-first, right? That is a interesting and logical thought. The ship being build in Stockholm was the Vasa, which we all agree on is kinda big . Can it be, because the English were more industrialised, that they build ships in a more industrial way. I know from reading "De Zeven Provincien"* that the English started building ships from blueprints kinda early in the Age of Sail, and the Dutch didnt catch on to that until the end of the 17th century. So that could possible explain the less industrial look of the Dutch and Swedish shipyards. What do you think about this? Why should a ship be build in a drydock, what are the advantages? *: https://issuu.com/otteblom/docs/boektest Ps: The shipyards are indeed from different time periods within the age of sail
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Hi, i am doing research on shipbuilding in Europe in the Age of Sail. I found some pictures, which i will show below. The first one is the Woolwich Dockyard, the second one is Holmen in Denmark, the third is Rotterdam in the Netherlands and the last one is Stockholm Shipyard You can see the difference in how the ships are build. The difference in how the shipyard looks especially came too my attention. It looks as if the English and Danish made use of some sort of drydock to build their ships, in contrast to the Dutch and Swedes. Can someone explain why some ships are build in some sort of drydock and others are just build on a flat plane near the water? I also noted that the Dutch and Swedes build their ships with the bow towards the water and the English and Danes build their ships with the stern towards the water, why is that? I hope some of you can help me with this and maybe explain the difference in shipbuilding throughout Europe.
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XD, yup its too old. Its a shame though, it is so beautifull!
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Never thought about it this way, so that must be why they preferred a round bow. Also considering that the North sea and most parts of the Atlantic ocean are quite rough seas, that is probably the reason for the sturdy design. I should really buy some books about this and just read my little bits of spare time away.
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Frigates where used earlier, just not so popular in the british navy. Very common in the french and dutch navy. At least that is what i know from my research. Interesting difference between east and west indiamen, didnt know that. A more v-shaped hull wouldnt necessarily reduce capacity, it will if you keep the same depth inside the ship. But a more v-shaped hull will improve the handling in open seas. I think a more flatter bottom would mean that the ride woud be very rough. I am right on this? I have another question; Why did most ships from that period have a very round bow? Why didnt they use a sharper bow, that would improve speed, right? Or is the construction of a sharper bow harder?
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I am thinking about buying some of those books, i had a look at them and the seem very good. I already knew there where no reall development, and that it was mostly a trial and error process in the early days. But there had to be some theories right? I know i sound like i dont know anything, and that is true I want to learn about stuff from that period. I am mostly interested in early 1600 to 1700. For example, what if you needed to build a merchantman. and not just any. But one that could cary a fair amount of goods and it had to be the fastest in the world. What would be the theory behind building such a ship?(beam-to-lenght, draft, shape) Does anyone have some good historical digital readings about this subject? I have difficulty in finding anything because english is not my first language, and nautical slang is everywhere.
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Hi, I am very interested in the development of the shape of a ship hull between 1600-1800. I have been searching the internet but cant seem to find what i want. I will sum up some question and i hope someone can help me. Wouldnt it be interesting to discuss this topic? 1. How did the shape of the bow, hull and stern develop in this period? 2. What are the most common design for ships in that period? and not just for ship of the line or frigates but for all open water vessels. 3. What does i certain shape mean for the perfomance? What are the advantages and disadvantage of certain designs? I hope this will start a discussion, because i cant be the only one interested in this.
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Keep your hopes up, i will soon restart modeling the Frederika Louise Wilhelmina.
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26000 triangles, this can be checked in the modeling software. A model is always build from triangles.
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This is beautifull and a real inspiration! Good job!
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Well of course a ship from the right period, low poly count. From what i can remeber 24k for medium size ship, like frigate. But please ask around because i dont know for sure. The whole ship, without interior and sails and such. Also only the transom structure should be modelled for example, so no decorations whatsoever. The impact on the poly count would be extreme of you should do that. Specific ship in mind?
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Anyone read this document? http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/pdf/NL-HaNA_4.MST.ead.pdf There are a lot of Dutch ships in this document, you can use the numbers from the ships to search the database of the "Nationaal Archief". Here is a list for example http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A0.c03%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.#c01:0.c02:0. If you want me to post individual ships just let me know, because this is quite overwhelming. Ps. Also it is all in Dutch... -
Just a little update. I am still working on this whenever i can. But i will not be able to do much this month because i am just to busy with other things(making money). I have learned a lot of my first 'prototypes' though and i still plan finish this.
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Unie, or Union in english. Because i live for the Union of the Dutch Provinces(When i can afford the game )
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Very cool idea! and about the hue, no hue at all. How about that? . No doubt you can do this! go for it.
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From the album: Ship Modeling
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My model project so far, the "Zeven Provincien"
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'Minerva' Dutch (With Plans)
Rob replied to Zeekoning's topic in Unrated and other light combat vessels
Ok if you want to continue this, i made a different topic here http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7802-project-minerva/#entry147582 See you on the other side. -
@CommodoreWesley, It seems the data regarding this ship is not very clear so it seems to me that this might not be the best choice. Although what you say about she not needing a name necessarily is completly true. But i know that i am more driven when i not only look the looks of something but also its history. I shall have to think about this. @SteelSandwich, I totally agree on that, and yes she is beautifull. See my reaction to CommodoreWesley. These are also some nice ships, i assume that you know more of these ships specifically. Is that right? I also heard that you are working on a little project called the "Zeven Provincien" and that i could contact you via teamspeak. Is that a possibility sometime? maybe better to PM about this... I saw that list with Dutch ships and that sparked the start of the start of this project and it surely satisfies my needs. XD Ps. Just a little note to the community of Naval Action! You are an awesome bunch. Keep it going!
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As some might know this was originally planned as a model build of the Minverva, well things have changed. SteelSandwich helped me find a more documented beauty. The dutch 36 gun frigat Frederika Louise Wilhelmina, 1789. I am really thrilled to start this and will keep you people updated during my project.
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'Minerva' Dutch (With Plans)
Rob replied to Zeekoning's topic in Unrated and other light combat vessels
This ship is so beautifull, those smooth lines. I want to get to know more of this ships history, i already read somethings on wikipedia. But that may not be the best source. Thank you for the information and the picture, that can probably help me a lot. I will also try to contact Maturin the coming weeks. Will probably start a WIP on this forum some time soon. Thanks again. -
haha onverwachts! Have fun reading it!
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Nice guidance there! i am probably going for the frigat "Minerva". I have already read a book about the whole shipbuilding process and it was done here in The Netherlands. According to that book it was quite different from lets say the british. Very interesting book, shame its only in dutch. So after reading that book i know better understand everything involving that beautifull era. In case you are someone else wants to read it(http://issuu.com/otteblom/docs/boektest/1), you should learn some dutch
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Totally agree! i will keep practicing. You can only model it if you have enough reference, which is the case with the "Zeven provincien". But most of the ships from that period have a very limited amount of reference or just general information available. But some people on this forum seem to have acces to all kinds of interesting stuff. Also sail plans seems to be pretty rare to get, for most ships at least. So i am doing some research now, cause for me its important to model something i like. Otherwise i lose interest.. something Thanks, i will post my progression here! Or is there a better place to post this? a different topic maybe?
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'Minerva' Dutch (With Plans)
Rob replied to Zeekoning's topic in Unrated and other light combat vessels
Hi possible fellow dutchman , do you by any chance have a sail plane of this ship? and maybe some more information regarding internal compartment and functioning. I am thinking about 3d modeling this beauty. Maybe you can help me out. Greetings
