Septimius Severus

Galleys would be used commonly in the Baltic and Mediterranean to board enemy ships. Please read things Ive written above this regarding the use of galleys in combat during the period of the game. Furthermore, the Spanish used galleys in the Caribbean to attack pirate hideouts and vice versa bc the pirates used swarms of agile galleys to outmaneuver and capture lone ships in both the Caribbean and the Mediterranean. I have 3 examples of ship battles with galleys for your enjoyment on the first page, Ive put them into my first post as well to make them easier to find As for galleys "going extinct" in navies, this only happened in sea going nations like france, england, and spain, because they needed ships to go onto the open ocean. In the Baltic and Mediterranean, "serious navies" like Venice, Ottomans, Swedes, Russians, and Danes continued to use galleys on a massive scale. (In his newly created navy, for example, Peter the Great had a couple hundred galleys built so he could use them to take the Finnish coast from Sweden during the Great Northern War, and they were used effectively, as shown in multiple battles of the war. Peter the Great had hired Venician ship builders to teach his Russian compatriots how to build galleys and ships of war, like the Ingermanland, one of the ships in naval action.

A large naval battle with galleys:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_M%C3%A1laga_(1704)) Midsized battle: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grengam But I agree, they wouldnt be used in they way they were at lepanto. They way I see it, they are best as a supporting role, boarding stranded ships and that sort of thing. Galleys were not always oared barges, they were used commonly as agile boarding platforms, as shown by use by Russians and Barbary piratesFor example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hogland_(1705) Again, galleys, galleasses, and xebecs were used well within the time of the game, and past it

They certainly played a part in it, But thanks for clarifying thatI read that it was not until 1830 that the French annexed Algiers that it was finally over

I do t think it matters whether total victory will happen or not because I doubt it would. The fact is that they would get over extended or a coalition of nation would reduce them to what they were. I think also that the capitals should be unconqerable (in other words, I think its fine the way it is). What happened in pvp 2 at least was that countries that were dong poorly ie 1 city left would get a few back as a base because the whole server would come together and organize some sort of an agreement to give them back some towns. Also with the new alliance mechanic it think it will become less likely that a country is comoletely defested in this way.

This is simly not true. Aside from their extensive use against ships of the line by the Russians throughout the Great Northern Wars against the Swedes, the Barbary pirates of the Mediterranean used galleys and xebecs to pray upon merchant shipping and were so successful that many powerful nations including the Brits, French, and later even the Americans paid yearly fees to pass safely through the strait of Gibralter. It wasn't until the early 19th century (1800's) towards the end of the time period of the game, that the Barbary pirates were attacked by the Americans under Thomas Jefferson that the use of galleys/galleases/xebecs finally began to die out. (France annexed Algiers in 1830, officially ending the era of the Barbary pirates and their control of trade in the Mediterranean.)Furthermore, even with the death of the galley, the xebecs and later archipelago frigates remained in use well into the 19th century, even in the baltic.

I do indeed

Good to know, I will look into it.

Besides, it turns out the spanish used galleys in the Caribbean to attack pirates. Another kind of ship, similar to a galley, called a xebec, would also be interesting.

With respect, I don't think this matters. The florida Keys, with their shallow water, would have been a perfect area to use them. Furthermore, some of the ships, including the St. Pavel as Tyrdael pointed out, were not in the caribbean either. Besides, I don't think this game was meant to be purely historical. If so, why should American players be able to use vics or santis and Brits to use connies?

I will be getting plans for these ships to put into a thread on Shipyard as well The galley, one of the most common fighting ships in both the Mediterranean and Baltic seas as a result of its speed, agility, and ease to build. Why not add it to Naval Action? They played an integral part in the navies of some of the greatest naval powers in both the Baltic and Mediterranean: the Swedes, Danes, and later Russians in the former and the Ottomans and Venicians in the latter. This ship, with only bow cannons, would be able to sail or row its way to defeat enemy ships, mostly by use of its marines. These ships would add alot to PVP, especially to port battles, due to its ability to make way quickly where ever the wind may be blowing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley Sidenote: Galleys were used in the Caribbean Another kind of ship, the Xebec, which was better for sailing on the open oceans, was also used, especially by barbary pirates in the Caribbean. It featured 2/3 masts (some square rigged) and oars for propulsion, and side guns for fighting. It would not have been used as exensively for boarding as the galley, but was still fit for that purpose. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xebec Another ship, similar to the xebec in that it also had broadside capability, was the Galleas. It was similar to the Galley in that it had a similar ship, however it was wider and able to carry more and thus was used often as a trade ship. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleass I would also like to add that the galley was used against ships of the line in the Great Northern War between Sweden and Russia (Saxony, Denmark, Poland, the Ottomans, and later the Brits, Hannover, and the Prussians also played a role), and pitted the newly created navy of Peter the Great (the Ingermanland being part of his arsenal) against the experienced Swedish navy. With the help of Venetian shipbuilders, Peter built a grand navy of fast and agile galleys that his skillful commander, Apraxin, used against the ships of the line of the Swedish navy, using the shallow draft (of the galleys) and the poor maneuverability of the Swedish ships to his advantage, successfully capturing multiple by boarding (A great book on this topic is Peter the Great by Robert K. Massie). My point is that these kinds of rowed ships, especially the galleys and xebecs, are by no means outdated in this time period, as the aforementioned galleys served in the same Baltic fleet as the Ingermanland, and had an arguably stronger impact. These galleys, it should be noted, (the ones in the Baltic) were used mostly in shallow areas and were mostly for boarding. The xebecs were basically light frigates (like a Cerberus) with oars and the galleases were light frigates with oars used often for trading. Real uses of galleys on the world's oceans during the timeperiod of the game: ]A large naval battle with galleys: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_M%C3%A1laga_(1704)) Midsized battle: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grengam Example of galleys swarming stranded ship successfully: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hogland_(1705)

Solution: PVP worlds Maybe it would be better if you sailedcloser to cities?

This would be good, for crafters and lazy people.

Lol same can be said for french dutch and sweden

Yes because in the good old days they always protected trade with a ratio of 1 ship to 2 ships of the line... I am completely in support of AI fleets for protection, but theres a point at which it becomes unfair for attackers. But on second thought, I think this would be perfectly fine if one had to pay for the use of ships in the fleet, like x amount of gold gold per x distance or something, but make using ships of the line so expensive that they would be impractical for trading UNLESS you had multiple trade ships in the fleet that are carrying more goods, enough to make the journey profitable

I dont think this is necessary... Any rank that adds crew I am strongly against (think traders accumulating fleets of large ships to protect themselves) and any rank that adds perks would be redundant because of officers. Good idea, but fairly redundant.