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  1. As authoritative as he can be, Gardiner is often frustratingly biased! While I can't think of any fact he has fudged, he at times omits important information or writes vague opinion where recorded numbers or primary source quotes belong. (usually to emphasize the superiority of the Royal Navy over all others-which the record should support enough on its own for him to maintain that thesis and not write in this obnoxious manner.) However, the Fidele was indeed a standard French 18pdr frigate to the design of Jaques-Noel Sane; her plan can be found in Frigates of the Napoleonic Wars.
  2. You're taking the dimensions of the 1782 plan as those of the Perdrix? The as captured dimensions in imperial feet were 118'5.5" x 31"4.5"(31'9.5" moulded) x 9'. the dimensions of the 1782 proposal convert to the following imperial feet: 119.364' x 29.841' x 15.187'. I think the Brits likely measured depth in hold, whereas the French measurement is draught. The length is as close as some sister ships, but the width I think was slightly increased for the final design- otherwise there would need to be nearly 1.5 feet of planking outside of the frames on each side. Source: https://bo
  3. Thanks for posting! Bombelle seems to have had a knack for getting ships built to the dimensions and tonnage to carry much heavier armaments than they were officially intended for! The 24pdr armed Pomone was originally launched as a 12pdr frigate, and the Perdrix was ever so slightly larger (4 inches wider and 2 tons heavier) than the later successful design of 9pdr corvette, the Bonne Citoyenne: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonne_Citoyenne-class_corvette
  4. Really wonderful lines on that 1782 6pdr armed proposal! she looks very much like the Pomone/Endymion, and indeed the top signature could be Charles-Etienne Bombelle's. I also see what looks to read Latouche-Treville? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-René_Levassor_de_Latouche_Tréville He did command the Rochefort Navy yard after the American War of Independence, so it seems somewhat plausible. Could she be the Perdrix, launched at Rochefort in 1784? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_corvette_Perdrix_(1784) or is this plan definitely just a proposal?
  5. That second print is quite creative! Either the pomone or babet is shown with 3 tiers of quarter galleries overall, the type seems a well-documented and representative example of the quarterdecked french corvette (as opposed to flush decked examples like the Bonne Citoyenne or Diligente) I assume because the class was revived they had at least decent sailing qualities?
  6. What a fine corvette! It would appear this class was revived by Coulomb in the early 1790s with the Babet and Prompte? Though the the later vessels seem to have slightly smaller dimensions their plans are extremely similar: https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_class&id=531
  7. Voted for the main Téméraire class for several reasons: 1) It is the most representative by far. 2) There are already more 80 gun options than 74s, and especially given that the bucentaure is ingame, I see the 24pdr upper deck option as providing less variety rather than more. Also only 2 ships were built to this variant 3) Similarly, I think the shallow variant is less representative, provides only a marginal advantage in draft (9 inches), and the Wasa can perform that role much more aggressively. My thoughts on specific design: If elements of different sister ship
  8. Does anyone know the name and specifications of the 6pdr corvette on the bottom? to me her bodyplan looks like a cross between a 'true' v-shaped hull like Forfait's Seine-class frigates, and the fairly straight and smooth transition in shape in the ends as seen in La Pomone of 1785/HMS Endymion 1797(though the midsection has much greater deadrise than that 24pdr frigate design). Judging by the bow decorations, this corvette predates either frigate. Also, Does anyone have any more complete plans or additional info on the corvettes designed by Forfait? Obviously the Unite class(HMS
  9. Found it! There are two illustrations, one of the battle where she was surrounded by french warships, and the other of the Glatton after the battle, with the french ships fleeing. Both are by Robert Dodd. The first is titled "To the Right Honourable Earl Spencer, This Plate representing His Majesty's Ship Glatton, attacking a French Squadron consisting of six frigates, a brig, and a cutter, on the night of 15 July 1796" NMM ref PAH7901 The second is titled: "This portrait of His Majesy's Ship Glatton...shewing her situation after Defeating the French Squadron, on t
  10. A strong IPA sounds like quite the worthy cause! I know there is at least one good painting In the Caxton pictorial histories series https://www.amazon.com/gp/bookseries/B00CJ54VH2/ref=dp_st_184067363X of her fight with a french squadron. It's reprinted in black and white, but the original is likely in colour. Given that it was in 1796, it should be "fleet battle and blockade" I don't have access to my copy right now, but if anyone else does they should be able to find the artist, title, year etc.
  11. Hmmm, well it looks like the Dutch 'Voet' = 1.033 English feet, which puts the length at 195.5'. 60 meters is 196.85' so That is very close...however its not out of the question that the Swedish or Danish foot equivalent is similarly close to the English measurement. I can't say I have a good guess for the identity of the vessel, but given the relatively high headrails and hawse-holes, and two tiers of galleries on a three decker, I'd place this ship between 1800-1820, most likely in the second half of that range. The American '74' gunners (that were really more like traditional second rates,
  12. It's actually a Chapman Designed Privateer Frigate! Plates 31-32. It was his biggest frigate in Architechtura Navalis Merotica, and To my knowledge Amiral Paris' version was more or less a reprint of the same plan. However it may have influenced the design of the later Continental Frigate Indien/South Carolina (Which was French Designed and Dutch-built IIRC, and also quite large for her era)
  13. Your points are all fair! However: -in NA there is no limit to what nation sails s ship, so a french design is a french design, even if the Royal Navy captured and used it. -you are right that design influences crossed borders, but that doesn't mean they were unaltered. -the British copied many french designs, but always altered them to their own requirements in some way, even if only in decoration and deck layout (though it was usually more) - Amazone is a french ship, though myrmidion a British-built one despite being highly influenced by the french design. Even though
  14. I like the idea of full colour customization! Except for the rigging, which was pretty standardized as tarred/not tarred to discern between standing & running rigging. I doubt ppl would like being limited by nationality, but having several preset historical schemes for each nation available to the player and used by AI would be a good compromise I think.
  15. A good number of these ships are prizes (amazone, annibal, Pompee, Pegase, ambuscade, Iris (the one shown is danish, not the continental frigate Hancock)) so aren't representative of British shipbuilding, but rather the designs of their original nationalities
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