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I'm late to the party, but I really despise any wipe of xp. It's true, I grinded completely up in 1 month, but I also did that with the promise in mind that xp were here to stay. It makes no sense for a PvE server to force people to grind again. But what should I say? Let me quote these old, wise words, and live on.

That will surely save you quite some million reals.

While I can see that fast SOL's can be abused on the PvP server, teak was used for constructing the following second and thrid rates: HMS Ganges (1821), 84 guns HMS Asia (1824), 84 guns HMS Bombay (1828), 84 guns HMS Cornwallis (1813), 74 guns HMS Wellesley (1815), 74 guns HMS Carnatic (1823), 74 guns That is, if the Wikipedia is correct.

Thanks for reading! For me, there are two ways to look at it, being the player perspective and the game perspective. When looking at it as a player, I was looking for the most money-efficient way to level up. I made a excel sheet, put all ships recipes in there and calculated the cheapest money xp ratio, including the (doubloon) costs for the labour hours and material costs. I was surprised that crafting 65 trader snows would give me so much xp that I could level up fast. It felt like I cheated the system. On one hand, that gave a good feeling - being able to reach your goals fast is always great. On the other hand, what's the value of something everyone can reach on a blue monday? And I scrapped/wasted all the investments for pure progress, without the overall economy profiting from that. Hence from the game perspective, things aren't perfect. It might be better if crafting xp would be variable. For example that above level 15, you no longer get xp for crafting 7 rates, above 20 for 6, 25 for 5, and so on. Another idea would be introducing crafting proficiency for wood type next to your crafting level, going from level 1-10. Crafting more and more ships with the same woods would give a bigger chance on getting good builds, while when making your first ship with a certain wood type might give you a grey or green one. This would allow players to either specialize, or give some extra things for grinding with. There's plenty ideas that would do.

At this moment, I played exactly for 1 month on the PvE server, and I would like to share my experiences about the 'grind', many complain about. I hope that this will be an interesting read for both fellow (new) players, as well a useful list of suggestions to the developers (in italic). I played for 260 hours this month, please take that into account: this is a time commitment not everyone can devote to a single game within 30 days. Also I've played the game a bit back in the days (2016), but didn't get too engaged at that time. Humble beginnings 9 January, one month ago, I downloaded Naval Action and started with my career. However, first a few decisions had to be made. PvP or PvE? And which Nation? Having no clue, I used google to search a bit, and found out that as an Independent player, the PvE server would be the most relaxing experience. With that being chosen, I still had to choose a nation. This gave me quite a headache, as it is impossible to switch from nation once started. It took me 3 hours of reading and searching on Google before I took the decision, and started playing as a Brit. This worked out very well, as on PvE the easiest nation to start with is UK. You start next to an important trade hub (La Navasse), where you can easily trade your goods and start making a bit of cash. Once started, I looked at the nice port UI, and decided to take a look at the chat. Being a lucky guy, I got the chance to sell my Christian redeemable for 2 million reals immediately, giving me the ability to ignore the initial credit deficit, so I could focus on fighting. I did that, by doing the tutorials, which I can heartily recommend to everyone. After a single day, I finished all the exams up to the boarding exam, the next day I finished the Endurance Exam, giving me 155 crew and a Rattlesnake note. Another day of learning the ropes gave me access to the Master and Commander rank by finishing the Final Exam and a Hercules. Feeling a bit bored, with not knowing what to do next, I bought myself a Belle Poule with a part of the money I had acquired. Using the ship, I started doing some missions, hunted down some traders and got more and more feeling about the game. After 2 days, I bought a Pirate Frigate and switched to Open World hunt & search missions, and with 7 days into the game I earned enough XP to get 400 crew. Findings: I found out that the UI takes some time to get used to, but is perfectly fine. Slight improvements could be made by giving access to both a sail and tutorial button, as it was frustrating to find the 'Sail' button. A tough thing which stands in the way when getting started, is your initial wealth. You start with absolutely nothing but your free ship. This is harsh, as you can't even put cannons on the ships you got gifted for the exams, nor starting to trade with your basic cutter. I would suggest new players receive 10k reals for finishing each exam and an additional 50k for finishing the Final exam. This will give players enough cash to start trading, or buy a ship with some cannons so you can collect doubloons to sell. Furthermore, I found it hard to find accurate game information as a lot of wiki's are not up-to-date. Once I found https://na-map.netlify.com/, I got all the information I needed and asking other players did the rest. It would be nice however if there would be an in-game list of ships and modules, or a link to an external site. I think that information is absolutely crucial for anyone playing Naval Action as the game is not self-explanatory. Lastly, I think the game really needs something like a captain's dairy, also see my suggestion in this thread. This will help new players setting up goals, as well as being an ideal place to integrate data about which ships are in the game for example. The second week Being playing for a week now, I switched to play in the Indefatigable I captured from an AI. I bought a forge, an iron mine and a coal mine and crafted myself some 42pd carronades. I opened a few outposts around the Caribbean, so I could search for targets more effectively. I also discovered that the level of AI ships depends on the region you're in. With this information, I opened an outpost in the Upper Antilles, so I could hunt 5th rates much more effectively. I also enjoyed chattering in the global chat, which for me adds a lot fun while experiencing this game. You're making friends, helping others out and being helped yourself. This was also the time I started exploring. I sailed around Hispaniola, looking into different ports, and found a Sealed Bottle with a skill book in the wreckage. By asking in the chat I learned what they do, and decided to buy some additional books in the admiralty shop. After grinding half my way - 10 days in now - I got gifted an Agamemnon. Having this ship with 400 crew was a blast, and from now on, playing no longer felt like I was grinding, as she was a properly built ship, having a Cartagena Caulking Refit, strong bow/stern as well as being made from live oak/white oak. Fighting AI become now much more easier (and more fun). I started attacking larger fleets (of 5th rates), and even took on a fleet of 8 x 5th rates while still being under-crewed. I mastered the art of enabling and disabling guns (F5) and gun decks (F1-F4). Also, finding targets became easier now I could fight different kind of fleet sizes. Findings: I love the way skill books work. It's lovely to get those bonus effects, as well as giving me a long term goal to complete collections like the Gunnery Encyclopedia. Things I was having trouble with at this stage, was finding out where the AI ships were hiding. A common complaint heard on the PvE server. However, as soon as I discovered where I could find them, it no longer was a problem for me. I think the spawn rate of AI's is good enough currently, giving an believable view of the Caribbeans. When I was looking for ships, I could find them easily, but they weren't that abundant that I could go into battle without searching. I love the blend between just sailing back and forth, and fighting. For me, it was relaxing to sail around, without being attacked by the AI. However, It felt that nation's are a bit useless on PvE. You can attack all PvE ships, but that from your own nation, which makes up for a nuisance, as 30% of all ships sailing around on the PvE server are British. This means lesser targets to hunt. Furthermore, it's infuriating you cannot add players of other nations to your friend list. I met a lot of nice people, and I would love to add them to my list. Ship building and sailing a Victory At this point in time I started ship building. I bought the DLC, as I found out that without enough building slots, it is very hard to get all your buildings up you'll need for shipbuilding. As I love to play independently, I decided I need as much space as possible, and started crafting random ships here and there. The next few days are unremarkable, as I started sailing around to get resources, used my labour hours, while also fighting a bit here and there. 18 days into the game, I ranked up again and got 650 crew. I asked around who could craft me a Victory, and after getting a blue 4/5 one, I loved this ship. I made her a DPM monster, putting my poods on her, medium cannons and 68pd carronades, further improved by a -30% reloading buff by adding skill books and Extra Rum and British Gunnery Sergeant. On my other ships - I had already 15 ships at this point - I started trying to experiment with different kind of upgrades and setups. I bought the Forger DLC to switch to the Pirates, as this allowed me to attack much more targets, making gathering experience more efficient. By fighting I managed to complete the Gunnery Encyclopedia, which is nice as it further improves my cannon skills for the Victory. After 21 days, I made a big plan. I wanted to become a real ship crafter - level 50, that is. I started with gathering data, e.g. where to build the ships, what resources I need and where to get them. I decided Road Town would be a perfect location, as The Settlement and Spanish town are very close, and with those 3 outpost, I have access to iron, coal, oak, fir, hemp, stone, provisions and lignum vitae. This allows me to build everything I want. I also studied all the crafting recipes, and found out that I needed 6k oak, 7k fir, 4k provisions and some of the other goods. This allows me to build 65 trader snows (oak/fir) - which are the cheapest xp for each real, and it roughly equals the xp required to level up from 29 to 50. After setting the stage, I decided I was ready at day 23 and crafted all ships in one go, breaking them up again after crafting. This got me up to level 50 in a single day, or 4 days including the preparations. While crafting, I got 3 golden trader snows and quite some purple ones. Findings: from here on, I was totally engaged in the game, no longer doubting whether it was worth my time. I bought DLC's, and I had fun playing this game. It no longer felt that I was grinding, as I could do so much stuff now. I think the experience required to sail a first rate is fair, and is perfectly balanced. I learned enough about how to handle a ship to sail one. However, I think that's only true for me as I had a great starting capital. Having to start as a poor man, you'll have to trade, trade and trade again, which prolongs this period a lot. It's not hard to make a million, once you have 100k reals. But it is very hard to get 100k, if you got nothing at all. Money makes money in this game, that's for sure. I love the way crafting quality works. I think it's a great system to have a random chance on a great ship, while alway ensuring a 3/5 ship. This makes crafting gold ships a long term goal, which is nice on the PvE server. It engages me to craft a lot of ships, which fuels the economy, and allows me to sell the basic ships to new players, helping them out on their first weeks. Continuing playing From here on, day 24, I kept playing, and came into the stage of slowing down. I started trading for reals and for Live and White Oak, so I could craft 1st rate ships. I created my own private clan as my warehouse was getting filled. On day 26 I leveled up again so I got access to 1000 crew, allowing me to sail all ships. I helped a few other players out with some cheap ships, I found rare books, crafted rare upgrades and used my time to enjoy Naval Action to the fullest. Now I'm settled, I love the relaxing atmosphere of the PvE server. So far I don't have the feeling I miss any content, however I imagine that some RPG story quests, as well as having collectibles would be a nice enhancement. Currently, skill books are the collectibles that keep me engaged. After that, I might want to get a gold ship of each ship type, but most likely I'm having too little port slots, which sucks (30 max with DLC). Things I would like to see prioritized in development, would be the addition of some more PvE content. For example PvE blockades, port raids and PvP duals (suggested here). Other nice things would be the Captain's Diary mentioned above, as well as some better trading mechanic - which I understand is already being developed. I also suggest that the new player experience should be reworked a bit, I think all new players should start in the Bahama's as a neutral faction, giving them the chance to fight 6 and 7th rate ships right in their harbor, as well as giving them time for deciding which nation would fit best. But above all: I love this game as it is (that is, if you have enough money and above 650 crew). I would like to thank the developers for making this gem of a game, and I hope they'll further polish it into a masterpiece. Thank you all for reading this far. Disclaimer From my experience, a lot of PvP players look down upon PvE players. From time to time however, PvP players join the PvE server, asking people questions like: "what are you doing here?", and "isn't it boring to play against bots?". To you guys, I would like to tell you that Naval Action PvE is a great game, relaxing in nature. I love to be able to be independent, not being forced do adapt every day to ports that are stolen under your countries nose, nor being obliged to defend your ports. I love how I could casually build up my belongings, collecting all kind of ships, books, without having unknown risks to lose them. In the current state of the game, I think the PvE server perfectly could hold up on her own.

Thanks for the great work, it's very useful. However I encountered a bug that I can no longer see the different wood type effects.

I love how the system works currently. Reals are mainly obtainable by trading/crafting. Doubloons are mainly obtainable by combat. You'll need to do either both, or find someone who does the other thing and exchange. What might need to change, is giving new accounts some starting capital (25.000?), so they can start with some trading/crafting immediately instead of painfully grinding those starter credits.

For the looting UI, I would suggest the following: Hide Crew transfer options, Change ship button and Sink other ship checkbox for already sinking ships. This will make the UI much more streamlined in cases that you don't need all that info.

I think the boarding UI is better, but it's still cluttered. Please accept my humble, paint approved, rework suggestion for the UI: Move the Marines and Muskets to a different location so it's more clear it's a player stat Replace the Firepower/Melee numbers as 'predicted damage' and 'predicted losses' Add an Icon corresponding to your chosen attack. Now all the data is still there, but it's much more logical that the predicted number of kills is a immediately response of a player action, which feels more intuitive.

In a broader perspective, it's a short term problem because the spawn rate at ports have been edited. It is harder to make money, so money deflates: same money is getting worth more. The problem is that it doesn't have immediately effect on the in-game economy, and it takes some time for ships te become cheaper. Another problem is that there are not many money-sinks in the game. As money slowly accumulates, prices are going up. With the drop rate changes, money accumulates is slower, but overall there is still a slow inflation occuring. New players pay the price for that, as the ways of earning money, do not keep up. So, instead of enabling the presses and start printing more money, I would suggest to introduce more money-sinks, for example unlimited reals to doubloon exchange at a high price (just random idea). Don't confuse Ship sinks with money sinks: as most ships around are player made, only the money paid to the harvesting of the resources is flowing out of the game.

Perfect suggestion. The attacker shouldn't be able to escape.However I'm puzzling how this Circle of Death would work out with being attacked in trading ships. No chance for escaping there? Later addition: I think a good solution for that puzzle would be the following: Defender has to take a one-time decision - Escape or Defend Option Escape: A dotted circle centered around the escaping ship. If the enemy sails out, you can escape. Option Defend: A solid circle centered in the middle of the fight. Leaving the circle means death. In case of no decision, the defend option will be chosen.

To help (new) players with making long term goals, I suggest a Captain's Diary, which contains: Collectible pages in which you can track: which kind of fish you caught at least once; how many of each kind of ship you've sunk; which skill books you've learned and which not; which harbors you've visited; which ships you've fought with at least once, as well as compare their stats; Achievement pages, in which you can earn (Steam) achievements for goals like: earn 50.000, 500.000 and 5.000.000 by trading sink 10, 100, 1000 7th rank ships sink 4, 6, 8 first rates in one battle win a 1 vs 2 without using repairs etc. Statistics pages, in which you can check: how often you've sunk how accurate you are at firing how many (port) battles you've did A nice twist could be, that when you sink someone, you can read that captain's diary.

So, you suggest that a port stays effectively neutral after a win. That's exactly what I suggested with port raids, but instead of that you have to defend the port after capturing, you'll get the benefits paid out at once.

First to counter some points: We think the Map is perfectly sized for the peace server. There is enough space for solo gameplay, but also some busier ports in which you can interact with other players. I've never seen people complaining about the map size on the Peace server. A smaller map is not needed and takes more development work instead of less. It costs no power whatsoever to have two servers online at the same time. It requires an exact copy of the war server with a few flags edited on 'off' like port battles and player battles. The above suggestions are rather easy to implement, as all 99% of the code is already in the game. They only have to make a accept/ignore player battle button, and the solution about duals is implemented. What I taste in your comment, is that you love the war server. I think you're completely right to do what you think is fun. What I don't like, is that you deny others to have fun on the way they do like it. The peace server has it own right of existence, because the play-style is so much different. It's not fun for either party to merge both servers, as we both have to give things up. Not everyone likes to be full-time on high alert, and the peace server is a perfect place for that. What I'm asking for, is additional content that would add to the experience of the Peace Server, which doesn't cost a lot of coding work but still retains the feeling of peace.

The problem with claiming ports for your nation, is that it caters first comes, first serves. Once taken, it can't be taken back as there is no PvP combat. I gently disagree. The main idea about the PvP/war server is that you are in a constant fight around ports (RvR) and that you are always sailing in a fear to be attacked, taking calculated risks. Killing enemy ships is therefore a necessity to also gain an economical benefit against other nations. The PvE/peace server on the other hand is for a relaxing, safe experience, and having a mutual agreed duals does only add content for those players. It doesn't take away any content from the PvP server. On a broader perspective: I think decisions about content should not be made based on the fact that some people might change servers, nor that either of the 2 servers have any reason for exclusivity of content. Decisions about content should be made by: Does the new content adds valuable gameplay? Does this content fits in the nature of the game / server? In case of the War server, mutual agreed PvP would make no sense, because of the RvR nature of the game. On the peace server, I think it could benefit the game experience for players.

But why is an equal start necessary on a PvE server? It doesn't matter if someone has 30 first rates, all golden. They worked hard for it, let them have their fun.

I would love to suggest some Co-op options for the PvE server, as there are currently no port battles. These co-op activities would be optional, so the peaceful, relaxing nature of the PvE server would not be changed. Port raids. Essentially just port battles against an AI fleet, raids will allow players to group up and fight for a port. Once captured, doubloons will be handed out based on battle performance. Duals. Players are able to challenge each other in the OW, and with mutual agreement a PvP battle is started. NPC Blockades. A group of 5 - 10 NPC's will blockade a random port. This will initiate a 6 hours long lasting battle, which all players can join. When a port is blockaded, you cannot enter this port directly. You'll have to join the blockade instance and sail your way through the enemy lines into safety of the coastal defenses, if you want to move into the port. A coordinated player fleet however can also kill all NPC's, after which the port is free to enter again. Can be BR limited to create a challenge. I don't know how this would work out on the PvP server (option 1 and 2 would be redundant), but I think option 3 could also be fun on the PvP server.

I'm wondering what purpose a PvE server wipe would serve. The only thing I can imagine, is that there would be a fair starting point for everyone. But considering there is not competition on PvE anyways, that really isn't a big deal. The drawbacks however are not good. Players will lose a lot of progress in their ship/upgrade collection without any benefits.

As an PvE player, I think that NPC aggression could be a good addition, if it's done right. For me, that means: Only warships will be attacked and traders with the smuggling flag on. No tagging at (in-game) night time, allowing smugglers to get into an enemy harbor safely. Relatively fair odds, with a max difference of 33% Battle Rating. Player should be able to join a NPC fleet of their own nation by paying protection money, meaning only other large fleets will be able to attack. Drawback is that you'll be slowed down in comparison to manual OW sailing because of wind directions.

For the quote: I've made a mistake in editing my own post. Most likely a lack of coffee. I understand the modding idea, but I'm not sure how that would work out in an MMO. What I could foresee however, is e.g. a monthly contest to submit quest scripts, which could be implemented in the next patch. I'm sure there is enough creativity within the community to come-up with realistic scripts. Once the system is in place, adding new quests shouldn't be too much work, as it doesn't change current game systems; it only chains them into a logical and challenging order.

Yes indeed, I'm that one! Well, you don't really need fully 3D modelled figurines. A 2D portret in the new UI styles with the quest plot in text would already defintely do it. The best thing would definitely be that it is optional content. That never hurts, but retains players who like that content. It adds additional sand to what already is a great sandbox.

I would love to see a how-to-start-with-crafting guide. I rejoined the game after not playing for a while, and fail to comprehend how to craft. Unfortunately, a lot of the crafting guides available are outdated, using the old UI for example. Any help?

After playing a while on the PVP server back in 2015-16, I joined the game back again, this time on the PvE server to get a somewhat more relaxing experience. Starting as a rookie, I finished the endurance exam, but I'm still struggling with the Final Exam. That doesn't matter at all, it's supposed to be hard as it is the final exam. However, I dreamed a bit around and felt I was missing a crucial thing for the full PvE experience of new(ish) players: Story line quests / Campaign: a series of story driven quest telling me to sail from A to B, defeating a PvE pirate underway, smuggle a bit of contraband goods for my country and other 'meaningful' orders. A good example for a starting story, could be the following: Quest 1: On the market, a trader asks you to start fishing, as there is a huge shortage of fish. Player starts fishing, finds different kinds of fish, and sells it for a good bargain to the trader (small starting capital for the player). Quest 2: As there is still a huge shortage, player is questioned to go fishing again. However, he manages to catch a bottle with some inscriptions in it, pointing out someone is in a dire need to be salvaged on coordinates X/Y. Player rescues someone from a raft. The rescued person is thankful and rewards player with money. Quest 3: As the player starts talking with the rescued person, he points out that he was a trader who has a feud with another trader. He thinks that trader hired some pirates for sinking his ship. Player starts investigating by visiting 3 nearby cities for information, and sails back to report to trader. Reward: sailing experience, player learned to navigate on open seas. Quest 4: All proof points towards pirate X, who might be responsible for the attack. Players will hunt down the pirate on the open seas, and is required to board him to capture the captain alive. Reward: new ship (lynx) and player practiced the boarding mechanics. Quest 5: After a thorough hearing, the pirate captain refuses to tell anything. However, the ring he's wearing, looks familiar to the saved trader. He found out that once these ring might be of one of his friends, who used to live near free harbor X. Player goes there, and finds out that he's no longer there. All traces point out that the trader sailed to city Y but was captured halfway by the pirates. Quest 6: Player is towards a pirate harbor, and has to sneak in the enemy port using a false flag. When arriving there, he finds out that indeed the friend is captured, and is forced to work on one of the 3 pirate ships. Player sails back to the trader, and together they decide that they'll rescue the friend. Quest 7: Players boards 3 ships and finds the friend. That friend happens to have good connections around the world, and ask you to become part of a nationality of your choice, opening up to 3 new quest lines. Reward: sum of money, experience and player chooses his nation he wants to sail for. Etc. Now, why would NA needs this? Firstly, new players, just as me, struggle to find something meaningful to do in NA. I just joined again, got myself some money by trading, and I'm now looking for ways to increase my experience level and looking for ways to earn more money. A story driven quest would give some guidance in mastering the game again in a relaxing pace, and ensures me to play the game for as long as the duration of the quests. So basically, it helps player retention. Secondly, the 'new player'-quests will be in a save zone, save for PvP and ganking. After finishing their 7th quest, they decide which nation they'll join, making their choice more informed and based on in-game information. The new player can starts his adventure a bit more 'solo', allowing more people to stick to the game. After that, the 'experienced player'-quests are spread further away, and requires player to sail bigger ships, defeat bigger enemies. On PvP servers, this ensures a steady supply of players trying to sail certain routes with valuable goods, which can be captured. However finishing the quest also will net a great reward, netting the player who manages to do them a good profit, even when losing some ships. Quest can give end-game goals for players, for example a non-tradable crafting receipe for non-tradable upgrades for your first rate ships. Quest can help people find each other in the game, as they are sharing a common goal. An example could be a quest which you need help of someone else with. This brings people into contact with clans. Quest add solo content to the game, both enjoyable for the PvP as the PvE server. Quests can give a reason the explore a vast majority of the map, instead of just sailing around your starting harbor. Quests can smooth the leveling grind in a structured way. Now, I know Naval Action is a historical correct game. However I really think above mentioned stories are very possible without losing that realistic feeling. In my opinion, having just a touch of a RPG, this can be very useful for both player induction, as well as player retention. Once the system is in place, it also opens up the way to more and more quests, some maybe even as a DLC. I would really enjoy some extra goals and many with me. Furthermore, I think it's a very important thing Naval Action should do in the near future, as a good quest line really can have a positive effect onto the economy (which rewards do you give?), the meta (players not sailing alone with their expensive ships as there is no reward for doing it) and the player retention. At the same time, it has no drawbacks, because any player can ignore their quests at any time. What do you thing about this suggestion?

When the problem is santisimo creep, there is a very simple solution: make strong ships expensive to sail. So, e.g. 5th rate is money maker, 4th rate doable, 3rd obly profitable while doing well and 2nd and 1st very expensive. Higher the costs of repair kits and fix the ammount of gold earned for battles. I prefer a good economy where gold is the limiting factor to play ships. Time should never be a limiting factor. The XP requirements are already grindy for a occasional player. Do we need crew for such a balance? No. Should devs focus on implementing? No. Please fix the economy First.

I'm not liking the lord system actually. I would propose that voting does depends solely on your activity in the last 30 days in PVP. Every won port battle gives players 10 points, every won PVP battle 1. (example) A ranking will be made based on the number of points. The top 25-50 players on this ranking will be able to vote (5 power) and can join the politics chat room. The next 100-150 players on the ranking can vote too (1 power). Benefits: The voting power is directly where it belongs: at the players who play regularly and do PVP. Players can directly influence whether he/she can vote. All clans or players who claim that they deserve political rights, can prove this by being active. Not being active = no voting rights. It also eliminates the problem of inactivity. When Lords get bored and are not online, how can you make decisions? There are no unfair safe ports for the early players. (ports near capital are usually safer, so they can't be taken over). Players have to play a lot of PVP for a whole month. This gives them time to acquire knowledge about politics. Probably you might want the same kind of system for crafters, like: Craft 1st rate ship: 10 points; Craft 2nd rate: 5 points; Craft 3rd rate: 3 points.