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thx for roadmap, appreciate it.

To prevent ppl from sitting in battle screen they simply should add timer how long u can stay in after battle screen.

i can only paste you again what i wrote few posts above. Current peace offer from Dutch Councill to French Councill is: - white peace without additional circumstances. White peace means Pampatar, Carupano and Galdonas stays in Dutch territory (same as before this war), all ports east from Galdonas including St.George's will be part of French territory. - about ports north of Fort-Royal French side have to make separate peace with Sweden or if you have allready consensus with Swedes we can announce 3 sided peace treaty, its up to you if u wanna make separate peace with us and another with Sweden or u wanna make it 3 sided. I dont see there anything about Brits, Pirates or any other faction except Sweden. Sadly you dont answer for offer, i must say... as allways. We just waiting for answer from French side. i wanna make it public to avoid any future misunderstandings. And im sure our earlier propositions about white peace were same as above. Preafect asked you to not attack Brits in near future or join us to attack Pirates, but it was not necessary to include as points of peace treaty. i was there when we talked about it, so maybe you missunderstood or didnt pay attention for every word, it happens, i dont blame you for that. Just wanna make things clear. You have our simple offer above, in my opinion it cant be more simple as it is now.

it can work, but only for pvp battles and fading away after some time (to be decided how long)

C'mon, i know what i heard, why u simply lie? I dont understand it. If we have to do everything public, we can do it, here we go. We offered you white peace many times including current proposition from our side. To be clear, current offer from Dutch Councill to French Councill is: - white peace without additional circumstances. White peace means Pampatar, Carupano and Galdonas stays in Dutch territory (same as before this war), all ports east from Galdonas including St.George's will be part of French territory. - about ports north of Fort-Royal French side have to make separate peace with Sweden or if you have allready consensus with Swedes we can announce 3 sided peace treaty, its up to you if u wanna make separate peace with us and another with Sweden or u wanna make it 3 sided. End of peace treaty terms here, all below are speculations what can happend in future. Some of those points can be included in peace treaty or not, most important point of peace is "white peace" - we are allied with UK and Sweden, If France will attack one of them, and those nations will call us to arm, we will help them in terms of our alliances and 3rd FRA-VP war will start - we will probably fight Pirates in future, we asked you many times what will be your reaction if we'll be active in war against Pirates. AFAIK your current answer is "we will stay neutrall to this war" - we asked you many times to not attack Brits in near future (like at least 2-3 weeks), couse it will make Brits simply ganked, can destroy their community, and can lead to 3rd FRA-VP war in terms of our aliance with UK - we asked you to join our war aggainst Pirates, you refused several times, its ok. For you Pirates are friends and we're respecting it. - we can make some pvp zone in Carupano-Galdonas Scarborough-El Toco areas if u find this kind of "closed area" fight funny, its no problem for us to agree for such zones even with PBs If something is unclear for you in this peace treaty proposal just ask.

Im for contuinue talks with Kair and Horail too. Talks with those guys are moving things forward and there is at least some kind of thread of undersatnding each other. @whynotfr If you are member of French Councill, then looks like u wasnt informed about all our peace proposals.Those were many in different stages of war, and only once we made proposal which included ports in south-east corner for us and Swedes asked for part of Guadelupe. It was when you were beaten hard and all up to Castries from south and whole, or allmost whole Guadelupe was in Swedish hands. As Preafect counted at this point when we made this proposal you were -26 ports since start of war. In your opinion we should just give you all back at this point and say to our PvP players "thx for fighting, we'll get nothing from this war, lets have fun from PvP in future"? Every other peace propossal were "white peace" (it means to end war and get back to borders like before war), and i cant even count how many proposals of "white peace" we gave you, even before we conquered south-east. Everytime your diplos, usually Kierrip said "NO" couse of something not precised exactly. And now when u have 3 our ports and we're coming again with proposal of white peace again you saying no "couse those were french ports in January". I remember 1st FRA-VP war and peace after this war. We were winning and u were beaten badly after "black friday" and for you loosing only Pampatar, Galdonas and Carupano was in fact gift from us and your side were thankfull for those peace terms, couse ppl from French nation were just switching nation or leaving game after "black friday" and we gave you terms of pece which guaranteed u to save your community. So pls dont write about taking back "french" Pampatar, Carupano and Galdonas, becouse if we'll behave in past like you're behaving now, u'r community will be destroyed long ago in February. Then, after 1st war we gave you passage to Brits and allowed you to make "Tour de France", you dont remeber this too? Sadly I dont remeber any favour toward us from French, and we asking you just for one: White peace now, and as answer we allways hear "NO!".

From all those posts from French players here, not involved in diplo talks, i have bad feeling, that French diplos are talking with us one thing, and then giving completly oposite infos inside French nation. In fact even during diplo talks with them Kierip says one thing, then Eric comes and says something opposite to Kierrip, and next day Kair says third version from his point of view, thats why talks with them are not going to any conclusion.

I know, only part of Curse left.

Probably. I think his source must be inside Curse or FFD, i dont see any other possibilty to get such twisted infos, I like some of those guys, but they came to us not long ago, and dont have any idea about history of our nation on PvP1. Looks like AEthistan dont have such knowledge too, it is fairly clear from his first sentences about first FRA-VP peace. Simply he dont knows what he writes about.

No, he is not. At least i didnt saw him by any talks with French side. Diplos form French side which are coming to talk with us are Kierrip, Eric, Kair and Horail.

Man, im in Dutch Councill since months and im one of Dutch diplomats, I know all other Dutch diplos, and i was present during many diplomatic talks including those with French diplos durring current war. All u wrote is distorted information and has nothing to do with facts, really. I dont know who is your source, but he trolling you, or just has wrong informations.

I didnt saw so much lies and distorted informations in one post. Give me names of Dutch diplomats you were talking with. I dont believe it was Preafect or Icceman and for sure i didnt talk with you. So just give names of those Dutch "diplomats". Really i dont believe what i see above, its just so far from any facts as it can be.

??? Sry i dont know what u writing about, but i was not logged to game last 2 days, maybe something new. I know about pirate guy with double account, who as Dutch buys flag for Baranquilla 5 days a row now to make it impossible to craft for Dutch. There is topic about it in Tribunal section.

How fast French forgot about pece treaty after first war. We gave u back all in south-eastern corner, to prevent your players from leaving game or nation, even if this was very hard for some of our clans and made a big troubles inside Dutch nation. Week ago, when u lost 20+ ports to Dutch and Sweden u asked for white peace. With score of war of -20 ports, 16 taken by us and 4+ by Sweden u asked for white peace. Im writing it twice to make it clear and to force you to remeber it. Now is unaceptaptabe for your side to accept white peace when u have 3 our ports? Think about your diplomatic behaviour continued for weeks. Everytime you wanna something else, any step back in demads is for u "dishonor". This is no diplomacy, this is bullshit what are u doing frenchies.

If "a lot of ppl" will take breake, server will be empty

This no pvp, this is training

This! Currently ratio "action vs OW sailing" is low enough in NA.

First of all we didnt give you ultimatum, just peace proposal,first version for further negotiations 2nd we made step back in proposal on Sunday last week during meeting FRA-SWE-VP, and Swedes took few steps back in demands too, 3rd French didnt made any step back in their demand, new proposal was promised to us and Swedish till Thursday by Kaiir (french diplo), no offer arrived till today (Saturday) 4th I likely wlll continue negotiations with Kaiir, couse he looks like only french diplo who speaks in name of french nation not only one or two clans.

First of all Frenchmans, you should decide what you have to say to us and how you wanna telli it. Currently your diplomats shows some symptoms of split personality, Kierrip says one thing, Eric another, Kaiir third and here you making some fourth statement different to three official diplomats. You have momentum now in this war, but we'll see how long

Where they share schedule? Show me. I hope u dont write about "Developer news...". Yes, they gave us a choice, we choosed "diplomacy and pirates rework" as needed ASAP (53% of votes vs 4 other choices is a crushing victory). U saw any detailed info about pirates changes from devs, any ETA? Show me. Instead dmg 5.0 was delivered, PBs were changed to involve frigates into them (that killed SOLs activity in pvp btw), birds showed over see and now there is contest conected to officers feature. Officers was one of choce in poll http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/12471-development-priorities-2/page-1and this feature lost to "Overhaul of War & Peace mechanics and national relations, pirate role and national alliances", so why we should talk now about officers and not about Pirates role and diplomacy? Yes, yes, wait till "noone knows when" i just admire your patience.

TBH less and less ppl are playing this alpha, few more steps forward by Pirates, and u'll have Pirate testers and maybe their allies, but without pvp i doubt they will stay to long. Have i delayed real "big changes" by another month with this post? Maybe add shooting to birds when fishing will be ready.

Just share it to us and give ETA for beta and final realse. Ppl will know when to go back into NA.

This is truth only becouse many Brits just disapeared or switched to Pirates. Till Brits were active, and had numbers it was more less balanced. Now its free way for Pirates to paint map in black and leave something for their allies FRA, DEN, ESP.

1. Maybe a bit more fun, but way to chaotic. Inger is just new Santi, and Connie new Vic in PBs, but both easier to sink and maneuver. Remove connies from shops it will stop or at least hold down ppl to bahave like idiots. 2. Who cares about SOLs now? Even in regional capitals PBs i see connies/ingers. Everything above stays in ports (Vics, Santis) or is used in PvE (Pavels, Bellonas, 3rd rates). Sometimes 2nd or 3rd rates are used to carry flag or as part of screening fleet. 3. Ofcourse, now it turns into capturing festival, both towers and ships. 4. What else did u miss? Seriously? Read this http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/14351-neverending-wip/?p=265510