Lyric

January 11, 2017

Hello Gentlemen,

Another idea...sorry. As usual thoughts, opinions and tweaks are encouraged.

Yet again, my target is to remove the single ship spam, which is, 25 1st rates vs 25 1st rates or 25 Agamemnons v 25 Agamemnons. The game needs battles with ship diversity, which unforunately is not happening as people are recognising the best ships and building large amounts of those.

In such games as Rocket League or Guild wars 2, when crafting or obtaining new items, there is a certain amount of luck involved. In guild wars 2 for example, you have the mystic well (or mystic toilet), where you throw 4 items into the well, and gamble on getting a better one. Rocket league has the exact same system for decals, wheels, toppers etc.

What i'm suggesting is for the Devs to remove the ability to pick WHICH ship you want to build, and only allow the player to choose the SIZE of the ship they want to craft.

For example: I want to craft a Ship of the Line.

I need to provide a set amount of materials and then if I want to increase the % chance of getting a 2nd rate or 1st rate, i need to throw in some extra rare items such as the notes we used to have which would be a more expensive gamble.

3rd rate - 40% chance

Bellona - 25% chance

Bucentaure - 15% chance

Pavel - 10% chance

L'oceon - 3.33% chance

Santi - 3.33% chance

Vic - 3.33% chance

I'd love to be able to have the "HOLY HELL GUYS, GUESS WHAT, I JUST GOT A 1ST RATE!!!!!" Conversation on teamspeak, and this would be a stepping stone certainly.

In regards to this making fights uneven. Yes you may end up engaging a superior fleet from time to time, but if you end up with no 1st rates v the enemies 3 Santis, make sure you sink them, so the next battle, any advantage is yours, not theirs. You can't expect to go into EVERY battle with the hope of winning, but you can certainly go in, do enough damage that ensures a victory in the long run, if not in that particular battle.

January 11, 2017

8 hours ago, Snoopy said:

I think there is another flaw in your system. It doesn't do what you say it does. Your mechanic doesn't limit first rates in battle at all. It just limits who can be Rear Admiral, but it doesn't stop 25 RA from stacking first rates in a given battle just like now.

It's fair to say there are very few commodores / flag captains who would take their 1st rate in a port battle right?

I'm saying that EVERY current Rear admiral, as well as new ones would be subject to a demotion if their efficiency points drop below a certain point.

3 hours ago, Grundgemunkey said:

Where is the diversity? Why aren't fleet battles consisting of:
2 Santis, 1 Victory, 4 Pavels, 8 Bellonas, 4 Bucs, 6 Frigates and a couple of smaller sloops/schooners v a similar force?

^ because that will be just as tedious.. the bigger ships will always have the advantage ... so who would want to sail a schooner in a port battle when your dismasted and sunk from one broadside of a santi ..

Historically a schooner, even a frigate would never EVER, go anywhere near a battle of line ships, they would get absolutely obliterated just from one broadside. As you say later in your reply, the smaller ships need to be utilised differently, either harrassing some of the SOLs from a distance, engaging the enemy frigates, capturing a domination point, sending landing parties to neutralise a land battery etc.

What I would encourage from this community guys is not to simply naysay, that is, to reject an idea straight off the bat, but to tweak it, much like what Tommy did in his post above. Notice the flaws, and addres them, make it better. Thats how we resolve issues like these effectively, by giving the devs a polished idea that could actually work.

For me personally the single ship spam (1st rates / Agamemnon spam), alongside the still, very basic UI is the ONLY reason I'm not returning to the game. Which saddens me, as it's really a lot of fun!

January 11, 2017

Gentlemen, glad to see the ship still floats, I've been peeking in from time to time on the status of Naval Action. I've been silently willing certain patches and changes to take effect, which sadly have not, despite the really nice work/patches the devs have implemented thus far.

One of the primary reasons I'm delaying any sort of return to the game is a problem that has existed since we made the transition from sea trials into open world Naval Action.
1st rates, and the non existance of squadron diversity.

The game has been a 1st rate clustertruck since the beginning and I cannot express how boring, how tedious it is to have 25v25 1st rate battles, and know that virtually ever captain has at least one, in some cases 5-6 of them. I believe the devs tried to combat this by capping certain port battles to 4th/5th rates etc, but the result was still very much the same. We ended up with 25 constitutions v 25 consitutions. Again. Just tedious.
Where is the diversity? Why aren't fleet battles consisting of:

2 Santis, 1 Victory, 4 Pavels, 8 Bellonas, 4 Bucs, 6 Frigates and a couple of smaller sloops/schooners v a similar force?

Why aren't said fleet battles optimised to utilise the strength of a frigate/schooner in a SOL battle?

I'd like to suggest a system inspired by our very own Naval history, called the "Battle Record System" (please see image at bottom of post)
Essentially instead of experience being the sole factor in rank (and through this, ship choice) a players naval history will also determine his rank:

As you can see in the attached table my rank, and consequently the amount of crew i am allocated / ships I can sail is dependant on my Naval record, be it good or bad. I am rewarded for fighting honourably, and victoriously, and punished for cowardness + defeats.

How does the Efficiency system work?

I start at 10 points as a new player and gain: 1 point per ship sunk in a PvP battle. 1 Point for a decisive victory. 0 Points for an indecisive victory.

I can also lose: 1 point for losing a ship durability or ship. 5 points for retreating from a battle. 1 point for losing a battle.

Not only will this limit the amount of rear admirals the game has, but it will also target trollers, griefers and time wasters. If you enter a port battle you are committed. If you withdraw, you suffer the fury of your national Admiralty via your battle record.

Thoughts?

September 22, 2016

I can't agree more with the honourable Lytse Pier, your a great commander Nash. And the best part, you make it a lot of fun, just hearing your crazy talk makes me have more fun in the game. Nobody is called names, according to Nash, everything is always fine...

Me: "Euuhm, Nash we are outnumbered and surrounded..."

Nash: "NOOO, we fiiiiiine , just kill em all"

Agreed, Nash is definitely the best Fleet commander the dutch nation has.

September 21, 2016

Great post Ragor. Hit the nail on the head.

Similar situation. I told him directly It wasn't even that I was angry at him, I just felt sorry, and pity for him being the way he is.

He of course, retorted with screaming, cursing, swearing and general QQing. So the teamspeak banhammer came down.

Pellasgos. Above is the most productive, constructive post we've seen so far. If that isn't a wake up call then I dunno what is.

(Beware the THE PELLA-PUTDOWN #4)

September 21, 2016

OMG....I cannot hold my breath...i am literally crying right now...

i dont know who are you mate but that was a masterpiece of good ...nono not just good...EPIC TROLLING EVER!!!

Well done...i really enjoyed it and i thank you for making me laugh so much and loud!!!

I dont care if i am the central character in your video,i care about the fact that you stayed away from insults and you managed to troll me so nicely you forced me to say bravo!Hats off for you mister whoever you are there...i presume you are from squadron 6 while in das or even someone from das or arse,well i dont care i really enjoyed it...

post 9 just for you...i was planning to stay away from the forum for sometime...i got bored of those freaks in here...but for you i logged in just to express my gratitude for your epic skills on trolling... lmao still!!!

You made us all look silly with your post so gg ...even if you dont like me. o7

It happened gents:

THE PELLA-PUTDOWN #3

So just to clarify, and i'm only stating facts here:

Two people thus far, in this single thread, have likened Pellasgos to the greatest tyrant and deluded psycopath of all time? And he tries to laugh it off?

There's a hint somewhere buddy.

September 20, 2016

What can I say. Close to home, is close to heart

September 20, 2016

Oh boy, i am not sure how to take this mr P. All i can think off is this; We all sprang from apes, but you didn't spring far enough.

Hahah brilliant. I liked this one

September 20, 2016

Here we go gents:

THE PELLA-PUTDOWN #2

Keep posting...you are making my day every afternoon when i return back home.... i am going to live more than 150 years because of your posts...honestly...LMAO!!!

I'm glad so many people hating you is an achievement!

150 years? Whoa whoa whoa. As tyrants go, you have some competition buddy. I know one other hated individual you may get on with, and he's only made it 71 years!

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Keep proving to everyone the quality of your characters,,, the least i can say for the time being is that you cant go lower than this

I'm just...I can't :lol:
I'm coming back daily to about 6 likes per post. You have 0. is that not, the simplest way of judging whether you're winning an argument or not?

Let me just requote two people who hopefulyl will wake you up:

Nash - Btw pell, you have fall pretty deep since the last time I talked with you.

Admiral Horatio Hornblower - I believe the post should be modified or you must apology. I have fought hard and lost ships and I dont deserve, neither my guys, this kind of behaviour.

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You must have a basic IQ to understand that the more you are posting in a thread like this where we completely embarrassed you and the low level friends of yours the more you make us laugh, but you need to be smart enough to realize that and obviously you are NOT!

Embarressed me and my friends? Dude, you're arguing with someone who doesn't play the game any more

I don't have any clan, guild or nation, moreover I don't have any authority at all! That sounds like someone else I know :lol:

Dick Brave - Furthermore I have to clarify that Capt. Pellasgos is not an official representative of the Dutch Nation High Council, even if it might look like.

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You want the screenshot to prove yourself that Pellasgos lost a battle of 10 vs 25 trying desperately to defend our towns on the north???You are really that much ignorant of what you have done?

The problem with this one is your inability to distinguish fact from opinion...a dangerous habit.

You were in a 25 v 25. You lost 8 First Rates. Didnt kill a single enemy. LOL

Perhaps the above screenshot of you losing the 4th rate fight was also a 10v25. I could be wrong, but I count 25 there as well.

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Well i understand that you are a quitter...failures usually become quitters...but i dont understand why are you keep posting in a forum of a game you have already quit playing it....

Acccccctually. This is why I temporarily quit: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/14351-neverending-wip/#entry265510

You're welcome

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The dutch navy has proven more than once its capabilities...and very soon will rich again the level we achieved during the summer when we became the number 2 nation in game...who achieved this mr bojo was it you or was your pve friends who come here and are keep writing insults?

Eh? What PvE friends? I had lots of friends, which ones are you referring to?

Maybe this one whom has already recieved a lot of abuse from you already?

Edgey the Edge - i have no respect for him as he respects no one else, from the day my clan joined the dutch nation, after moving from pvp3 and getting told that we know nothing were all noobs and we should F*^k off we know nothing.

without actually knowing anything about us or our accomplishments.

Popular in school were you?

This one below is a cracker!

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now go to the mirror check yourself and spell slowly IIIIIIIIIIIIII AAAAAAAAMMMMMM MAAAAAAAAA LAAAAAAAA KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSS ,i actually advice to all those 26 guys to do the same....

Just to reiterate. I dunno what Amm Maa Laa Kaa is. Some greek porn pun im guessing, but I BELIEVE, Pellasgos told 26 people to go fuck themselves. Am i right?

Way to take the higher ground buddy!

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YOU were in vacations and your clearly said that you quited the game and you have the nerve to come here to insult and tell us what?WHAT EXACTLY?That Pellasgos is all the things you mentioned?You failed in the past you failed now and most probably you will keep failing so use my advice and GO TO THE MIRROR!!!

qq madam

This grammar hurts my soul. I literally have no idea what you just said ^

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ps.3 post on the same thread out of my 8 total ...dont make me come for my 9th...

Bring on THE PELLA-PUTDOWNS #3

September 20, 2016

That screenshot. Oh dear haha

THE PELLA-PUTDOWNS #1

Now. Because I'm not longer playing the game, but have decided to help out the dutch council as much as possible. I'm just gonna have some fun updating the Pella-Wiki.

I have quoted multiple people from this very topic in the interests of education, i hope they don't mind:

Bubbles - we in DAS were wondering what substance you used to inflate your ego. Air or nitrogen? I personally think it is nitrogen, cus your kinda toxic.

Stephan_Decanteur - Pellasgos, I don't care if you are our ally or not, you are better than this... Don't gloat.

Admiral Horatio Hornblower - I believe the post should be modified or you must apology. I have fought hard and lost ships and I dont deserve, neither my guys, this kind of behaviour.

Pelennor - Isn't that game rated pegi 8+ or something ? Such a childish post.

Nash - Btw pell, you have fall pretty deep since the last time I talked with you.

Jan Breydal - I think the British players who helped us and are still helping us deserve more respect Mr. Pellasgos ... I feel your anger but this post wasn't needed... and remember, actions speak louder than words!!!

Ragor - I still do not change my opinion regarding the OP and the displayed disgraceful attitude.

Dick Brave - My final, personal recommendation to Capt. Pellasgos: You, Sir, are splitting our glorious Nation by your repeating rude attacks against other players.

Furthermore I have to clarify that Capt. Pellasgos is not an official representative of the Dutch Nation High Council, even if it might look like.

Olav Deng - I will only say this, in my opinion attacking your allies and fellow nation mates(albeit in different clans) is not the way to go

Roelandus - Great job on pulling a Charles Caldwell, only you needed 1 post to insult our allies instead of 2. And as a bonus you insult your own nation as well.

Capitan Sanchez - Thank you for this wonderful thread. I did not know that Nelson had reincarnated in a schizophrenic child of twelve.

Plerick De Badas - Alwais fun to see a nation autosuiciding

Bramborough - Judging by the responses seen in this thread, one might get the impression that Mr Pellasgos has fallen rather short of his stated intent.

Captain Chaos - Everything Captain Chaos said was amazing! xD

Edgey the Edge - i have no respect for him as he respects no one else, from the day my clan joined the dutch nation, after moving from pvp3 and getting told that we know nothing were all noobs and we should F*^k off we know nothing.

without actually knowing anything about us or our accomplishments.

on the few occasions ive been in port battles where he has been they were all unorganised stupid losses, other battles i have been in where he has been with his sheep have left the battle and they have resulted in big losses where losses should have been minimal. Add to all that he seems intent on causing a split of the nation by insulting people personally, insulting other clans and then blaming others for his mistakes

Chakal16 - Well... Pellasgos is going to ruin the salt market...

Bouganville - When everyone behaves rationally, that is... here it's clearly not the case.

Olavandeng - We low PVE scrubs will forever bow down to you since we are obviously not worthy, we are obviously zeroes who know nothing of the game what so ever and have only played PVE, even back in sea trials(which many of us did play)

JollyRodger - I am British captain and I want to support you but I struggle to commit when having to deal with this split civil war bullshit

Lyste Pier - The real question is when it becomes disrespectful, and there my Pellasos you have overstepped a line of decency too be honest

Tac - It's fine , pellasgos was in DAS we had a ego purge, hence this nonsense.

Tenakha Khan - I keep in contact with the official diplomats appointed by the Dutch Council. It seems you are not one one them as every current and former Dutch diplomats confirmed countless times. Something you tried to hide to Celtiberofrog...

Captain Chaos - I have been around for almost 2 years now and in my opinion you are a disgrace to this community and especially to the Dutch nation. Man up dude. Whatever is going on, you are better than this.

Alex-SD - Last night there was another attempt by this P-commander to take Barranquilla.You will never get tired of failing?

Pablo Frias - I think Pellasgos is a spanish alter account.

NeonBird - Pls stop, my English degree will be in jeopardy if I read verbal diahorrea like this from you everyday. Stop dividing the nation you are a small part of and just play the game. You probably take yourself soo seriously to make up for what an utter utter joke you are.

So children, what have we learnt about Pellasgos?

- Lets start with a positive......................................................just gimme a sec....i swear, just one moment....................wait..............err................ok i'm stumped.

- He's a terrible, terrible battle commander. Unsuprisingly we have a nice snapshot above for reference. (if anyone still has that screenshot of him losing 8 1st rates without killing a single enemy, i'd LOVE to get that thanks!)

- He cannot handle diplomacy. Rational thoughts & tact are an issue. This whole topic is a great example.

- He's generally hostile, rude and abrasive, a recent reference of this very thread being: "Dear dutch captains of DAS ,ARSE, and the rest of your pathetic friends"

- He's got more haters than supporters. I know a politician or two who also have this problem, but Mr Pellasgos could Trump them all.

- He does NOT have any sort of diplomatic authority over the Dutch Nation, is NOT a member of the Dutch Council, and should NOT be used as a national diplomat. Because that's when things go wrong as we've seen.

PS. Again, I no longer play the game. However as an ex-Dutchie who had to put up with Pellasgo's insults, swearing, abuse, diplomatically fragile mind for an unhealthy amount of time, i'm more than happy to pop on and put him down like an unwanted kitten from time to time.

They will thus be known as. THE PELLA-PUTDOWNS!

You're Welcome.

September 19, 2016

yes i do i whas in DAS before the split and 7up whas born i even whas in 7up fore a week or 2

what i dont get is the talking shit to eachother

just like y say its a GAME if u dont like eachother in game dont play whit eachother and leave it be be a adult like u are

Could have used this being the 1st reply of this thread

September 19, 2016

...LMAO...

Hello ladies and gentlemen,

Its good to see you all in this thread expressing your views ....

Let me start by saying that we created this thread to make a good laugh and expose our real enemies!!!Basically we did it in order to TROLL our enemies and one more time we made it successfully like we do in game...we play and we achieve...successfully!!!

I can't handle this :lol:

Just to summarise this thread:

Pellsagos tries to bait people into expressing their dislike for him.
About 30 people do so, most from his own nation
He claims the moral victory

What?

Usually if 2 people have a problem with me, I take a step back and look in the mirror. But 30?!

I'm dead.. :lol:xD

September 19, 2016

Pellasgos, i dunno whether you suffer from some sort of mental disability, but it may be good for you to disclose this, just so we can understand your thinking sometimes.

This is the most horrible / insulting post I read all time from Jan until now. It says a lot about this game and the forum moderation.

This guy "Monkey Bullet" is not even getting a warning point !

But believe me, I will for "offending" the moderators by questioning their moderation.......this is.......pfff..............the list of likers

Lytse Pier, pietjenoob, Roelandus and 5 others like this

says everything about the state of this game / community...........

Buddy, my remark wasn't a joke or intended insult. I've met many characters, and dealt with a online friend for example who has autism. It's not fair to judge someone by the same standards if they do indeed suffer from some sort of disability. I've spent enough time with Pellasgos to know his behaviour isn't what you'd class as normal, and it was intended as a completely serious question. If he doesn't wish to disclose that, it's perfectly acceptable.

Perhaps my slightly annoyed opening of that post gave you the wrong perception, apologies.

PS. To Pellsagos. Whilst you're insults are to be admired I suppose, I will just put out there: I've never convincing lost a fleet battle, and the first and ONLY 1st rate fleet battle i commanded....well..it went quite well

As i recall that VERY same day, you ended up losing about 8 first rates without killing a single one. You can understand my perplexion at your definition of failures

Safe sailing!

September 18, 2016

I'd advise taking everything Pellasgos says with a colossal pinch of salt.

One example. Both he and I lead battles a month or two back, he ends up losing about 8 1st rates. I sink 14 1st rates and lose only 4. He then proceeds by blaming me for HIM...well...sucking. I kid you not, i timed 35 minutes of him swearing, cussing, calling me a F**king noob, a C**T. ALL the swear words :huh:

I ended up banning him from the public Teamspeak after several warnings to calm down. He then continued his rant for another 20 minutes or so in nation chat.

Pellasgos, i dunno whether you suffer from some sort of mental disability, but it may be good for you to disclose this, just so we can understand your thinking sometimes.

All the best buddy

EDIT / PS - Don't expect any reasonable diplomacy with him, don't expect many rational thoughts, don't be suprised when internal affairs just explode, just vote for him.

August 18, 2016

Simply speaking (I hope you and your m8 get it this time) We don't care what you do, so please stop interfering in what we do. You have your small community, we have our community, we happen to fly the same flag atm., that's all that we have in common, nothing more.

Looking at this, obviously there is a grudge or two between you, and i'd suggest what was exchanged in game chat would have something to do with that.

They have their community and you have yours like you say. His problem is that your community is much larger, and will probably end up making off the table, teamspeak made alliances or non aggression pacts which he, and some others don't agree to.

I'd suggest mending broken bridges because hate only breeds revolt, and we all saw how difficult the swedes were to talk to when their nation was expericing a civil war.

August 16, 2016

Whilst I can appreciate most of what you're saying, speaking from experiencing, and helping lead one of those "big clans" that you mention, it's tough. It really is.

Nothing can excuse being unjustifyably rude. However as the game is still without any diplomatic mechanical foundation, you tend to find each nation has a few extremely dedicated control freaks [like myself at one point] who are the main workhorses behind their national diplomacy.

Though my past experience being one of the main military leaders of the Dutch Nation, efficient communication to all parties is just impossible. We addressed it as an issue every week and we just couldn't solve it.

So whilst I do understand, please also understand that these gentlemen are putting hours in on teamspeak, just so everyone else can play the game as it was intended.

Monkeybullet

July 23, 2016

Hello guys,

Just found this ship whilst on holiday in St Petersburg, Russia. I think it's actually a restaurant now but I wondered whether it was a replica of a real ship. I struggled to count the ports but it looks to be of a similar size to the hms victory.

May 30, 2016

Completely agreed. 3rd rates are just redundant atm. Definitely not the direction this game should be going in as 3rd rates were THE most common SOLs in use historically.

May 20, 2016

2 bows 4 stern. Me likey.

May 18, 2016

@ Amonacc

The Dutch High Council have agreed to respect the defensive pact with the swedish and to help them in their defensive war against danish and their allied forces [iE, French] to protect their territory.

May 18, 2016

Announcement of the Dutch High Council

The Honorable Lords of the Dutch High Council wish to inform the relavant parties that after a period of recieving threating actions, unprovoked and unnecessary issuance of letters de Marquis against our marvelous nation in the waters from St. Louis to Jeremie, we were informed that the Danish navy is in a hostile status against the fleets of the Verenigde Provincien.

We consider these agressive acts against the Fleets of the Verenigde Provincien as a break of the existing alliance between both nations such that this status came to an end.

These circumstances now dictate that the Dutch Nation help the Danes [Who we now have no pact with] or the Swedes [Who we have a defensive pact with]. The Dutch High Council have agreed to respect the defensive pact with the swedish and to help them in their defensive war against danish and their allied forces to protect their territory.

The Dutch High Council

10th of May in the year of our Lord 1716

May 17, 2016

"Dick" is a nickname for anyone called richard. "In the 12th and 13th centuries everything was written by hand and Richard nicknames like Rich and Rick were common just to save time. Rhyming nicknames were also common and eventually Rick gave way to Dick and Hick, while Rich became Hitch"

To Brits, it's very well known

May 17, 2016

I am glad to hear it. We will be more than happy to sink those too!

I mean it's not a who has the biggest "richard" here. If you guys come away happy from intercepting flags and we come away happy by sinking you. Everyone's a winner! = Great war!

Feel free to post your own screenshots of ur victorys!

May 17, 2016

Our 2 flags WERE neutralised absolutely. However at the cost of 31 French ships in a single night and you call that a French victory? Guess we will have to agree to disagree

Killing screening fleets with bigger force is idd not very impressive. However 31 French ships sunk in a single day certainly is no matter how it was dOne!

May 17, 2016

Hey.

So far we've been having a great war with the french, and we're excited to see where it goes. Here are some of the Screenshots from our war. In just this 4 screenshots that is 56 french ships sunk!

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