TommyShelby

Hey all. First of all, please don't start discussions in this topic. I'm just gathering the different suggestions on how to "fix" the battle screen camping issue. (Aka, revenge fleets). I'm doing this solely to try and make it easy for the developers to see the many different suggestions we have made. It's the last thing i can do to try and change a mechanic which is ultimately making sure big parts of the Small Group and Solo OW PvP'ers will disappear from the OW. I believe there should be room for us all, including actual revenge fleets. The problem as i see it stems from the 2 things; 1. Disrepancy in Time Compression between OW and Battle Instances. 2. Battle Camping. As it has been expressed countless times, we (Me and i think, everyone else complaining about this issue) don't mind revenge fleets per say, its fine that people want revenge. What we do mind is when Revenge Fleets can camp the battles making sure to get instant revenge by using the disrepancy in time compression to their advantage. It is not good gameplay, it does not require anything from the "Revenge Fleets" except they have to sail to a spot, spread out in a circle, wait for the targets. If the revenge fleets had to find you on the OW and somehow catch you, that requires them to work for the revenge. This instant gratification has to end... Yes, i could sail with 20 other people but i do not enjoy that type of gameplay. Never did and never will, and i'm not alone on this. There is lots of suggestions on how to "fix" the issue so i'm just going to post the topics at first. Maybe i'll find some suggestions spread out in comments on different topics and add those. However, if you don't see your suggestion here in this topic, feel free to post it here. If you don't think Battle Camping is an issue please just stay out of this specific topic. I'd prefer this thread to only contain suggestions on how to "fix" the Battle Camping. Thank you.

Battle Camping revenge fleets are lazy players wanting easy ganks. Nothing more. I don't enjoy playing the game with 10 or 24 other people at the same time. I mean, there is a reason why i'm in a small clan... That is not what i'm saying... I'm saying that Battle Screen camping Revenge Fleets is bad for the game. If you can get me without sitting outside my battle you wont hear a peep from me..

Asking developers to keep Revenge Fleets (Well, battle camping revenge fleets) is exactly that, dumbing down the game. Hunting in OW actually requires you to be aware of your surroundings (Enemy ships, Wind, Land Masses), it requires you to think. Sitting outside a battle with 10-20 ships doesn't even require a brain.

I'm glad your clan of 15 can deAl with it lol. My clan of 10, usually 2-5 online, can't. So again. We are forced to grow our clan, join a bigger clan, sail privateers and lynx' or look for pvp in places where there is no players... But it's fine. I just won't play untill something is done about revenge fleets. Clearly the small group/solo player isn't welcome here anymore even though we've been around longer than most people

I don't think you get it. If Elite just wanted an Arena game i'm sure he wouldn't be spending his time talking about the OW game.. There is a reason why Elite says that he will wait for Arena. And yes, it will not change unless @admin does something. But Admin told us to speak up if we think its bad for the game. So here we are, speaking up.

Lol. It doesn't help that your in a 15knt Reno, Surp, or Snow. (Tried and tested). The enemy will bring 5+ 15knt Surps, atleast 1 or 2 15knt Reno's. Its idiot proof, you cannot escape this unless your in a Fore-Aft Vessel (And even then you might not be able to get away if they have any clue on how to Revenge fleet properly. You know, i'm starting to get really tired of this whole Arena game thing. Elite, like myself and a lot of others, prefer to fight outnumbered. We love the OW gameplay, why else would we have several thousand hours in Naval Action?...

Okay lets get 2 things straight here. 1. When we say "revenge fleets" we are referring to the fleets that camp outside ongoing battles waiting for easy ganks. 2. No, it is not good for PvP. Now i have a question. What do you mean when you say "adapt and use them appropriately". (I will not agree but i'm curious as to why you think so)

Devs surely have the tool to fix the issue of revenge fleets. Otherwise how come we did not have revenge fleet for over a year?... It was an issue once before and it was fixed once before lol

There is a difference between being caught by large groups and being served on a silver platter to the large groups. I don't know if you've actually read through the topic but every single one of the people arguing against revenge fleets also state that they are completely fine with the fact that they may be caught by a larger group in the OW. We have to work for our kills, we have to scour the OW looking for targets. Whether we gank or only do "fair fights" we have to work for it. Revenge fleets just use the disrepancy in time compression between Battle Instances and OW to sail at hyper speed to a battle location and wait for their target to come out of the battle so they can gank him. This doesn't leave much room for solo players and small groups. Do you not see the issue here? Again, we understand that going into enemy territory may end up with us being outnumbered and "ganked". That is fair and makes sense. However revenge fleets camping outside battles doesn't make any friggin sense and does not in any way help gameplay.

Yes, because the OW PvP'ers (Small group and Solo) are forced to do one of the following things: 1. Sail tiny Fore-Aft vessels. 2. Look for PvP in places where you'll be lucky to find a player during a 5 hours session. 3. Join a big clan. The above options are ridicoulus. Your forcing us out of the game with this attitude of yours. (You don't see small group and solo players try to force Big group and RvR focused players out of the game do you?)

Hmmm this is actually not the problem. Finding good pvp fights solo or in small groups is not the problem. The problem is what happens after. Now as an avid OW PvPer (who doesn't participate in RvR because I'm not interested in it) I don't come here saying that the RvR players need to change their playstyle. However that is exactly what you are doing. We always focused on OW PvP and 90% of the time that hasn't been a problem. However because of ppl like yourself there is hardly room for us in NA anymore. And personally I find that pretty ironic considering that the OW PvPers (small group and solo) have been around much longer than a big part of the RvR focused players. I ask you this however, why is there not room for both kinds of players? To me it sounds like your saying this game is a pure RvR game and that my type of player isn't welcome anymore...

Ole there is a huge difference between the way a flight sim works and the way NA works. In a flight sim there is no instanced battles, everyone is always moving at the same "time compression". In NA we have instanced battles and OW time compression is 75x higher than in battles. This is what creates the revenge fleet issue because in battle you travel 1 mile in 1 minute bit on the OW you travel 75 miles in 1 minutes.. (Numbers are arbitrary). Furthermore we have TS, national chat etc which we can use to call for help. Its a very bad cocktail for PvP... I had 2 fights near la mona (Freetown in "danish waterd"), 10-15 swedes tried to revenge gank me both times. So it happens far away from capitals too

+1 Blackjack.

If you were literally on top of each other how did you manage to not all get into the same battle?

Hahaha i wanted 3 but the other guys were too lazy Ofcourse I just wanted 3 for myself though lol

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I actually went with raking +boarding because the limit on how fast you can do it isn't hardcapped so to speak. By dps there is a limit which you can only exceed by buffing your dps with mods and skillbooks. The cutter is ofcourse purpose built and fitted, onice I get home from work I'll post a screenshot of it

I guess i should post it now, considering we don't know when the topic will be closed Monday (Tomorrow) 7 minutes and 7 seconds. But i have a feeling someone else is even faster since, as you can see in the video, a few of my rakes are pretty bad.

Server is up Thanks for fast response to the issue @Ink and company

Thought i'd "repost" elite's original proposal so that people who joins the discussion actually sees it.